Deca vs Sustanon250, 1st cycle.

[LittleBitch]

Howdy.

I'm still unsure/hesitant/reluctant to get on the gear just yet, but this doesn't stop me from wanting to find out as much as I can for when/if I do decide to jump on it.

Small context:
I'm 21, hard gainer. Always been rake thin. These days basically I've got a pretty athletic body with a low BFI. I've put on about 10kg over the past year and a half which means I'm looking muscular now as opposed to skinny, which is great. Currently at about 76kg give or take, my home scale is unreliable at the best of times but thats about the average high reading. I'm roughly 5'10" - 5'11", don't have a tape measure so can't be exact. I know, unorganised :P

As I said before, I've been considering getting on the gear, but am hesitant because I recognise I am still relatively young (although I'm pretty sure I've stopped growing naturally, height hasn't changed in 3 years, and I only began to put on mass when I started working out and eating properly) and still not sure if I want to get on it purely out a personal feeling that I may feel I didn't make my gains the 'natural' way.

Anyway, that's my brief background, feel free to comment on it what you will, but please also comment on the real reason I'm posting this. Information regarding Sustanon250 vs Deca.

Now I've read a far few people have tried both, particularly Deca. Deca held my fancy because of the relatively low aromatisation, but Sust held my fancy because of the 4 esters and it's sustained/slow test release etc.

So yeah basically I was just wondering what you seasoned campeigners thought about the pros/cons of them having actual experience with them, especially with regards to a first cycle.
My goals are basically to thicken myself out a bit to aroundabout the body of half way between Fight Club Brad Pitt (I'm sort of like this now) and Troy Brad Pitt. I realise this sounds cliche, but just so you have an idea :P Not to be like Brad Pitt, but just so you know the size I'm looking for :P

[Dog-Slime]

Deca has harsh shutdown and should not be ran alone. Therefore sust250 wins in this battle. I would suggest using a single ester test. Test E or C is what I would recommend.

[Dog-Slime]

Doh forgot to add that if you had to ask this question then you probably need to do some more RESEARCH.

[LittleBitch]

Doh forgot to add that if you had to ask this question then you probably need to do some more RESEARCH.

For sure. I've read both of the substance profiles found on this forum/steroid.com, just wasn't sure what I should be looking for in a first cycle, not to mention how to get a good grasp on comparing them.

Also, I recognise that Deca would probably need to be taken with some form of test. I have a mate who's on his 1st injectable cycle (he has had orals 4 times over his workout life which is about 10 years). He's having a small 12 week run on 200mg Deca p/week, and 30mg Dbol p/day. Will be keeping an eye on his progress.

Knowing that I'd be stacking with some form of test (admittedly i havent looked too much into what to stack it with...any pointers?), would you still say the Sust wins this round? Or would you prefer the deca/test stack?


Side note: Probably a really extremely dumb question, Does Dbol classify as test? I've read mixed info, comparing the two next to each other, but other info including Dbol as an example of test.

[Amorphic]

Knowing that I'd be stacking with some form of test (admittedly i havent looked too much into what to stack it with...any pointers?), would you still say the Sust wins this round? Or would you prefer the deca/test stack?

If you were going the deca route, I would go with Test enanthanate. Since it's your first cycle you might not want to be pinning yourself every day on something like test prop, and the slow releasing ether might be easier on your body.

What kind of cycle length and dosages have you been considering? Helpful to have more information on that for sure.

As far as Dbol as a form of test, I've never heard of this before.

[LittleBitch]

If you were going the deca route, I would go with Test enanthanate. Since it's your first cycle you might not want to be pinning yourself every day on something like test prop, and the slow releasing ether might be easier on your body.

What kind of cycle length and dosages have you been considering? Helpful to have more information on that for sure.

As far as Dbol as a form of test, I've never heard of this before.

Well I read about Dbol as an example of test on the testosterone page of steroid.com - hopefully that word just auto-linked itself. I may have read it wrong. Given the current tired state I'm in I'm sure that's the case.

As for the enanthanate, it'd definately be the better option. I had to get over the fear of self injecting before I even considered doing injectables, but I'd still rather not do it daily :P

I was originally considering a conservative 200mg deca with some form of test (havent looked into it yet) for around a 10 week cycle. I was hoping I could get away with a something like a 2 month cycle on a relatively small dose, but I'd have to look at what it'll cost me. To be honest I haven't thought too much about modelling my substance around what kind of cycle I want, I was thinking more along the lines of find the substance first then cycle accordingnly. Perhaps I was wrong in thinking this way?

If I can't afford the deca/test stack then Sust is my next choice, but would still have to look a little bit more into apropriate Sust cycle models. I've read a few different opinions on how to cycle sust, so definately need to read more about it.

[nrobleski]

I'll end this now because I cant take it anymore

test e or c 400-500mg a week 12 weeks....wait 2 weeks begin
pct such as clomid etc....read pct section thoroughly as its more imp than cyc itself

[LittleBitch]

Nrobleski - I Appreciate your help, I don't appreciate the attitude. I've tried to read as much as I can, but you can understand that there is a whole lot out there and I really have no idea where to start or what exactly I'm looking for. I've no experience with steroids so I have no clean idea of how to compare them and/or use them. I appreciate you get a lot of newbs asking the same questions but give us a break - I'd rather trust the opinions of seasoned campeigners than my own opinion on a topic that I just learnt about.

[J*U*icEd]

this is not going to go anywhere... you need to do alot of reading my friend... you might wana start with the beginners sticky at the top of the forum...

[LittleBitch]

Acknowledged.

[Ipump4her]

I would definately go with sust over Deca! mainly because even at 250mgs per week you will get a good result and about 15+lbs weight gain over 8 weeks. Deca is better when you are stacking with some other androgen. To get a good result from deca you would need around 500-600mgs per week. That would be 5 to 6 cc's per week in shots.

See Deca details below

Nandrolone Decanoate
substantion: Nandrolone Decanoate

1ml 100mg/ml



Quick overview:


Active Life: 14-16 days
Drug Class: Anabolic/Androgenic Steroid (injectable)
Average Dose: Men 300-800 mg/week.....Women 50-100 mg/week
Acne: Yes, in higher dosages or sensitive individuals
Water Retention: Yes, but less than testosterone
High Blood Pressure: Dose ***andant
Liver Toxic: No
Aromatization: Low, converts to less active norestrogens
DHT Conversion: No, converts to NOR-DHT with low activity
Decrease HPTA function: Yes, extreme
Other Info: Highly anabolic/moderate androgenic effects

[Dangerdan]

My first cycle was deca only, 300mg a week: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=252675

I didn't get deca dick and gained about 20 pounds. It did take a while to recover; my test lvls were still low 2-3 months afterwards but I was able to keep most of the gains.

The guys who say "you have to run test at 500mg per week for 12 weeks" probably dont really know what they are talking about and are just repeating what they have read.

Most people probably will do better on test for their first cycle but plenty of guys do fine with deca. After I have said all of that, what would I recommend?

Test-E or Test-C at 500mg per week injected once a week
Dbols 30mg daily weeks 1-4.

There is lots of great info on the site, just keep reading up and try to learn to filter out all the bullshit from dumbasses who dont know what the hell they are talking about.

DD

[Dangerdan]

I would definately go with sust over Deca! mainly because even at 250mgs per week you will get a good result and about 15+lbs weight gain over 8 weeks. Deca is better when you are stacking with some other androgen. To get a good result from deca you would need around 500-600mgs per week. That would be 5 to 6 cc's per week in shots.

It's pretty rare to see deca dosed at 100mg per cc/ml. It is normally 200mg per ml and you dont need to run 600mg to see results.

Ipump4her seems to be misinformed.

[Ipump4her]

Agreed

[Dog-Slime]

Yes most deca is 200 but 300 and 400 or not too uncommon. 400mgs is pleny for deca. Take it from someone that has done 2 cycles, one was deca only, one was test only. Go with test. Better gains. Felt better. Sure as hell recovered easier and had way better sex drive. I will say that I didnt get deca dick tho I just rarely felt like having sex.

[Ipump4her]

The Point we are all trying to make is test is better. However, their are people making some decent gains on a deca only cycle's that's probably and more likely the Thinner than 180Lb's built BB's. I've done both and Deca and doesn't really kick as much as Test sus or even cyp.

[Dangerdan]

Yes most deca is 200 but 300 and 400 or not too uncommon. 400mgs is pleny for deca. Take it from someone that has done 2 cycles, one was deca only, one was test only. Go with test. Better gains. Felt better. Sure as hell recovered easier and had way better sex drive. I will say that I didnt get deca dick tho I just rarely felt like having sex.

I've done both too and like I said, test is probalby gonna work out better for most folks. It just drives me crazy how people say you can't run deca by itself and have to run test your first cycle. For me, my sex drive was actually higher than normal during the deca only cycle although sex drive was very low for a couple months afterwards.