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    Pace Of ***ortation Rises: 221,664 Illegals Sent Home Last Year

    PACE OF ***ORTATION RISES: 221,664 ILLEGALS SENT HOME LAST YEAR
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    NEW BEDFORD, Mass. — The day after his wife was ***orted to their home country, Honduras, Lilo Mancía grieved as though she had died.

    Neighbors arrived with doughnuts and juice for their two small children, while Mr. Mancía, an illegal immigrant like his wife, María Briselda Amaya, took telephone calls from relatives and tried not to break down.

    “The first thing I thought of was the children,” Mr. Mancía, who is fighting his own ***ortation order, told the visitors gathered in his second floor walkup apartment in New Bedford a couple of weeks ago. “The future we imagined for them, it all collapsed.”

    Last year on May 1, hoping to influence Congress to adopt legislation making illegal immigrants legal, hundreds of thousands of immigrants held marches and work stoppages across the country. This May 1 there will be another round of rallies and marches, but this time immigrants will also be protesting a surge in ***ortations.

    The events are expected to be much smaller than a year ago, organizers said, as stepped-up enforcement by the authorities has made illegal immigrants wary of protesting in public and more doubtful that Congress will soon act to give them a chance at legalization.

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials, facing intense political pressure to toughen enforcement, removed 221,664 illegal immigrants from the country over the last year, an increase of more than 37,000 — about 20 percent — over the year before, according to the agency’s tally.

    While President Bush and many Democrats have called for a path to legalize some 12 million illegal immigrants, a significant number of Republicans in Congress reject the plan because they view it as amnesty for lawbreakers. They advocate a broader campaign of ***ortations that would expel many illegal immigrants and, they say, drive millions more to give up and go home.

    “We are not calling for I.C.E. to become the Gestapo knocking on doors in the middle of the night,” said Rosemary Jenks, director of government relations for NumbersUSA, a group in Washington that seeks to curb immigration. “But we have to increase the likelihood that if you are here illegally you will be caught.”

    So far, many of the ***ortations have caused illegal families to hunker down and plot ways to avoid detection and resist ***ortation, not run voluntarily for the border, immigrant advocates said. In Massachusetts, immigration agents have been challenged by lawyers, labor unions and state officials who question their raid tactics and are fighting trench by legal trench to block ***ortations.

    Mr. Mancía was amazed at the offers of help he received, including from the Massachusetts Immigrant and Refugee Advocacy Coalition, the state’s ***artment of Social Services and Senator Edward M. Kennedy, Democrat of Massachusetts.

    Mr. Mancía has been given emergency aid to pay his bills while his ***ortation case proceeds, and Elizabeth Badger, a public service lawyer in Boston, was still fighting his wife’s ***ortation after she was on the ground in Honduras.

    “I’m not going anywhere,” Mr. Mancía declared defiantly to a downstairs neighbor. “I’m going to stand my ground here until I win.”

    Immigration and Customs Enforcement officials say their priority is to locate and ***ort fugitive immigrants with criminal records or convicts who are finishing prison sentences. Still, thousands of illegal immigrants like the Mancías with no criminal history have been caught in raids, the officials acknowledge.

    Also, new expedited procedures have allowed agents greater flexibility to ***ort illegal immigrants caught in border areas, bypassing court hearings. Many immigrants, when caught, agree to leave voluntarily because it means they are not barred from returning legally in the future.

    Seen from the working class communities like New Bedford, the ***ortations are a blunt instrument. Frequently the ***orted immigrants were not alone in the United States, but came from families with a mix of legal and illegal members who were well settled in this country.

    A growing number of ***ortee families have children who were born here and are United States citizens. (The Mancía’s younger son, Jeffrey, was born in Texas.) More than 3.1 million American children have at least one illegal immigrant parent, said Jeffrey S. Passel, a demographer at the Pew Hispanic Center.

    Mr. Mancía and his wife were among 361 workers arrested on March 6 in an immigration raid at Michael Bianco Inc., a leather goods factory in this faded manufacturing town. She remained in detention while he was released to care for their boys, Jeffrey, 2, and Kevin, 5.

    On April 18, Ms. Amaya was awakened at 4 a.m., driven by immigration agents to Kennedy Airport in New York and placed on a passenger flight to Honduras, Mr. Mancía said. Telephoning her husband as soon as she could place an international call, she said little, only that she was disoriented and more afraid of her home country than an American jail. She has no house, property or job in Honduras.

    “She has no words right now,” Mr. Mancía said, explaining why his wife refused to be interviewed by telephone.

    Mr. Mancía has been left to fight off his own ***ortation and face a series of difficult choices.

    He must decide, he said, whether to press his case in the United States or declare defeat and take the boys to rejoin their mother in Honduras. If forced to ***art, he will weigh whether to leave his sons with friends in New Bedford to get a quality of schooling he believes they will not have in Honduras. Mr. Mancía said he and his wife had decided to leave their home in San Pedro Sula, Honduras, for their safety, because criminal gangs used the streets as a combat zone. Ms. Amaya’s sister was on a public bus returning from Christmas shopping on Dec. 23, 2004, when gang gunmen shot it up, killing her and 27 other passengers, he said.

    “We walked over dead bodies in Honduras,” Mr. Mancía said. “The children see that and they don’t grow up well.”

    He was the first to come to the United States, crossing at night at Laredo, Texas. In January 2005 Ms. Amaya took the same route, carrying Kevin, then a toddler. Caught by the Border Patrol, she applied for political asylum and was released temporarily. After Jeffrey was born in Houston, they came to New Bedford. Her asylum petition was eventually denied.

    Stitching military backpacks in the Bianco factory at $7.00 an hour, the couple achieved stability that felt almost like prosperity. They bought a white aluminum kitchen set and a microwave oven. Kevin was content in kindergarten, reciting his ABC’s and chattering in English, which neither parent speaks.

    Soon they had a family cluster in New Bedford, as three other relatives from Honduras, drawn by word of jobs at Bianco, came to work there as well.

    “We knew it would be hard to get legal papers,” Mr. Mancía said. “Since so many people were in the same situation, we learned to live like the rest.”

    After the March 6 raid, immigration lawyers appealed Ms. Amaya’s asylum case and she became optimistic. But she remained in immigration detention in the Bristol County jail, unable to receive visits from the children.

    “He is refusing to eat and needs to be coaxed to take sustenance,” Arthur Dutra, a teacher at the John Hannigan School, wrote in a March 15 letter about Kevin’s condition. “He asks for his mother repeatedly.”

    A nurse at the Greater New Bedford Community Health Center, Jacqueline Arieta, wrote in a separate letter that Jeffrey was having recurring earaches and losing his appetite due to “acute sadness.”

    A gaunt man with a mild voice, Mr. Mancía said he did not mind cooking for the boys or washing their clothes at the Laundromat. He said he and his wife, balancing two factory jobs, had learned they both had to do housework.

    The help he has received in fighting his ***ortation has allowed him to believe that he might avoid his wife’s fate, even though he has no papers, no job skill to offer other than hard work and very limited legal avenues to pursue. Although Jeffrey is an American citizen, he would not be able to petition for his parents to be admitted to the country legally until he was 21.

    Mr. Mancía said he was preparing for any outcome, even the prospect of a separation from one or both sons so they could remain at least temporarily in the United States.

    “My son is an American,” Mr. Mancía said “He needs to be educated in American schools, to speak English. He needs this country.”

    Ms. Jenks, of NumbersUSA , said the responsibility for the impact on children of the ***ortations rests with their parents.

    “If parents are going to come here illegally, unfortunately the child faces the consequences as well,” she said.

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    have to build a berlin wall style structure on the borders. add landmines if need be. all vehicles crossing the border must have all doors open as they cross.

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    they were talking about a woman from Chicago last night that is supposed to be ***orted. But she had a child while here and he is a legal citizen. Some church is letting her live there in sanctuary.

    They were complaining that it breaks apart families and isn't fair. I don't see it that way. Its not like you cant take your kid with you when you leave. They chose to come here illegally and have children. Its not a shock it could happen. Its a risk they took. Just because its said why should they be allowed a free pass. All that's going to do is make more illegal immigrants have kids when they get here so they can stay.

    Also why doesnt it seem like its a bigger problem with Mexicans and south Americans. You dont see it as much with Europeans.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    they were talking about a woman from Chicago last night that is supposed to be ***orted. But she had a child while here and he is a legal citizen. Some church is letting her live there in sanctuary.

    They were complaining that it breaks apart families and isn't fair. I don't see it that way. Its not like you cant take your kid with you when you leave. They chose to come here illegally and have children. Its not a shock it could happen. Its a risk they took. Just because its said why should they be allowed a free pass. All that's going to do is make more illegal immigrants have kids when they get here so they can stay.

    Also why doesnt it seem like its a bigger problem with Mexicans and south Americans. You dont see it as much with Europeans.
    Because Europeans can't walk over here. Plus most European countries are better off economically than Mexico and South American countries. Europeans did the same thing at the turn of the century and up until the 1930s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    Because Europeans can't walk over here. Plus most European countries are better off economically than Mexico and South American countries. Europeans did the same thing at the turn of the century and up until the 1930s.
    I understand that. I meant more the bitching and demanding they have the right to be here. Also i noticed Europeans are more willing to assimilate to the culture.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    I understand that. I meant more the bitching and demanding they have the right to be here. Also i noticed Europeans are more willing to assimilate to the culture.

    First you are going to see more hispanics protesting because they are the largest number of aliens in the country. But if you look at last years protests, there were people of all ethnic orgins protesting.

    Europeans are less likely to come here illegally because the expense incurred for the travel. If they are ***orted the cost to them is much higher than that of Mexicans and S. Americans.

    And what Europeans are more willing to assimilate? Are you speaking of the large Eastern European communities throughout the United States who continue to speak their language and continue their other cultures in their own communities? And when assimilating, what culture should they assimilate to? What exactly is American culture (besides the language). This country is great because of our ethnic diversity not in spite of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    First you are going to see more hispanics protesting because they are the largest number of aliens in the country. But if you look at last years protests, there were people of all ethnic orgins protesting.

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    why should we care about those who protest yet cant vote and dont pay taxes??? anytime there is a protest there should be dog pound like vehicles rounding them up. i mean that as humanley as possible...... maybe greyhound buses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    why should we care about those who protest yet cant vote and dont pay taxes??? anytime there is a protest there should be dog pound like vehicles rounding them up. i mean that as humanley as possible...... maybe greyhound buses.
    I concur.............

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    First you are going to see more hispanics protesting because they are the largest number of aliens in the country. But if you look at last years protests, there were people of all ethnic orgins protesting.

    Europeans are less likely to come here illegally because the expense incurred for the travel. If they are ***orted the cost to them is much higher than that of Mexicans and S. Americans.

    And what Europeans are more willing to assimilate? Are you speaking of the large Eastern European communities throughout the United States who continue to speak their language and continue their other cultures in their own communities? And when assimilating, what culture should they assimilate to? What exactly is American culture (besides the language). This country is great because of our ethnic diversity not in spite of it.
    Yes i'm talking about the eastern Europeans. They do seem to migrate together in their own little neighborhoods. They do seem to speak their own language to each other. I asked about that and they said since they are speaking to someone from their homeland its more natural to speak that language. I guess its like if you and friends when on vacation to a foreign country and new the language. When you talked to your friend you would probably speak English.

    Having been engaged to a polish girl that lived in a polish neighborhood in Philly and currently dating a Russian girl who lives in a Russian area in Brooklyn. I have yet to run into 1 eastern European that cant speak English, Some times its broken English but they can speak it.
    I run into alot of hispanic people who cant speak a word of english and they have no desire to even try.

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    lol i live in New Bedford Mass

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    why should we care about those who protest yet cant vote and dont pay taxes??? anytime there is a protest there should be dog pound like vehicles rounding them up. i mean that as humanley as possible...... maybe greyhound buses.

    I agree with you 100% BigLouie. My beef with gixxerboy is he is trying to say that European immigrants are better than Mexican and S. American immigrants. My point is an illegal alien is an illegal alien no matter where they are from. And both contribute to the same problem. Separating the two just leads to more racist ideology (ie claiming white immigrants are ok, but brown and black aren't). Comprende? LOL!!!!

    Gixxerboy, move to Vegas and you'll see many Polish, other Eastern European, African, and Asian immigrants that don't speak English. The majority of the Hispanics I've come in contact with (on either side of the border, having spent the past 20+ years in the Southwest portion of the US) has been able to speak the same broken english that the eastern Europeans you have encountered. You are being very close minded and Eurocentric with your beliefs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    I agree with you 100% BigLouie. My beef with gixxerboy is he is trying to say that European immigrants are better than Mexican and S. American immigrants. My point is an illegal alien is an illegal alien no matter where they are from. And both contribute to the same problem. Separating the two just leads to more racist ideology (ie claiming white immigrants are ok, but brown and black aren't). Comprende? LOL!!!!

    Gixxerboy, move to Vegas and you'll see many Polish, other Eastern European, African, and Asian immigrants that don't speak English. The majority of the Hispanics I've come in contact with (on either side of the border, having spent the past 20+ years in the Southwest portion of the US) has been able to speak the same broken english that the eastern Europeans you have encountered. You are being very close minded and Eurocentric with your beliefs.
    i think illegal is illegal no matter where you are from. You just never see a group of Russians on the street waving their flag demanding amnesty. You don't see European decent politicians standing up for illegals from their country.
    I have in my area gone into a Hispanic owned little store and have the owner not speak English. Never had that with a European owned store.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    i think illegal is illegal no matter where you are from. You just never see a group of Russians on the street waving their flag demanding amnesty. You don't see European decent politicians standing up for illegals from their country.
    I have in my area gone into a Hispanic owned little store and have the owner not speak English. Never had that with a European owned store.

    No YOU don't see that, but I have. So again, our experiences dictate our opinions. Maybe you don't see Europeans doing it much where you are from because they don't want to draw attention to themselves. Unlike Hispanics they don't have the numbers. But it's hard to ignore 10million plus hispanics, is it not?

    Try not to be so naive and Eurocentric.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    I agree with you 100% BigLouie. My beef with gixxerboy is he is trying to say that European immigrants are better than Mexican and S. American immigrants. My point is an illegal alien is an illegal alien no matter where they are from. And both contribute to the same problem. Separating the two just leads to more racist ideology (ie claiming white immigrants are ok, but brown and black aren't). Comprende? LOL!!!!

    Gixxerboy, move to Vegas and you'll see many Polish, other Eastern European, African, and Asian immigrants that don't speak English. The majority of the Hispanics I've come in contact with (on either side of the border, having spent the past 20+ years in the Southwest portion of the US) has been able to speak the same broken english that the eastern Europeans you have encountered. You are being very close minded and Eurocentric with your beliefs.
    well when your family came from europe they typically came through ellis island and there was a record of you being here. you were naturalized, you paid taxes and became productive. assimilation is key i think and although you have many little italy's or polish dominated areas or whatever that did not preclude them from becoming americanized. they also get cut a lot of slack for building the infrastructure of this country. highways, bridges, homes, tunnels, you name it and it can be traced to immigrant labor, hell they even fought in ww1, ww2, and korea. no such devotion to the united states exist with "mexicans". now you must also consider that it is much harder to sneak in from europe then it is from mainland america. a pocket of poles wont aggravate people, 10,000 mexicans showing up might irritate even the most liberal person.

    a typical euro method to get into this country is through work/school visas,(or sham marriage lol). that also helps their case. when you go through legal means to your migration or if your people have a history of legal means of being here most people will turn a blind eye. its not a race issue i truely believe that because indian and chinese do the same thing(work/school visas) and they dont get the crap that hispanics get

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    well when your family came from europe they typically came through ellis island and there was a record of you being here. you were naturalized, you paid taxes and became productive. assimilation is key i think and although you have many little italy's or polish dominated areas or whatever that did not preclude them from becoming americanized. they also get cut a lot of slack for building the infrastructure of this country. highways, bridges, homes, tunnels, you name it and it can be traced to immigrant labor, hell they even fought in ww1, ww2, and korea. no such devotion to the united states exist with "mexicans". now you must also consider that it is much harder to sneak in from europe then it is from mainland america. a pocket of poles wont aggravate people, 10,000 mexicans showing up might irritate even the most liberal person.

    a typical euro method to get into this country is through work/school visas,(or sham marriage lol). that also helps their case. when you go through legal means to your migration or if your people have a history of legal means of being here most people will turn a blind eye. its not a race issue i truely believe that because indian and chinese do the same thing(work/school visas) and they dont get the crap that hispanics get

    I understand your overall point BigLouie, but Mexicans are vital to the infrastructure of our country. Migrant farming is essential to our economy. So is the construction boom on the west coast, southwest, and down south. All of these are manned by Mexicans. They have fought in every war since the Civil War. But I do believe they go about the whole immigration thing in a bad way. But they are no worse or no better than European immigrants.

    When asking for someone to assimilate, there is no real American culture to assimilate to. Cultural norms differ by region in this country. So with the exception of mastery of the English language, what other norms are they 'supposed' to conform to?

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    when my family came here they didnt demand "para espanol, preso numero dos" ok. thats what pisses people off. the frigging accomodations that are made that just annoy people. ok. the fact that channel 6, 17, 18, 16 are frgging spanish right now. and the goddam hockey game im watching is on channel 408.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    when my family came here they didnt demand "para espanol, preso numero dos" ok. thats what pisses people off. the frigging accomodations that are made that just annoy people. ok. the fact that channel 6, 17, 18, 16 are frgging spanish right now. and the goddam hockey game im watching is on channel 408.

    That's what pisses me off. I can walk into an other immigrant store. Asian, Indian or European and they all have spoken English. I have walked into Hispanic owned stores in Hispanic neighborhoods and they dont speak a word.

    The Europeans i know dont expect us to learn their language so they are comfortable. Hispanics do. (granted not all and I'm sure there are some Europeans that do)

    Like i said i never seen any other immigrant nationality besides Hispanics demanding us to conform to them. If i did see a bunch of Europeans doing that it would piss me off equally as much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    That's what pisses me off. I can walk into an other immigrant store. Asian, Indian or European and they all have spoken English. I have walked into Hispanic owned stores in Hispanic neighborhoods and they dont speak a word.

    The Europeans i know dont expect us to learn their language so they are comfortable. Hispanics do. (granted not all and I'm sure there are some Europeans that do)

    Like i said i never seen any other immigrant nationality besides Hispanics demanding us to conform to them. If i did see a bunch of Europeans doing that it would piss me off equally as much.

    +1......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    When asking for someone to assimilate, there is no real American culture to assimilate to. Cultural norms differ by region in this country. So with the exception of mastery of the English language, what other norms are they 'supposed' to conform to?
    1) English language
    2) respect and follow US law (i.e. don't sneak across the borders and take advantage of programs that are reserved for US citizens).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    they were talking about a woman from Chicago last night that is supposed to be ***orted. But she had a child while here and he is a legal citizen. Some church is letting her live there in sanctuary.

    They were complaining that it breaks apart families and isn't fair. I don't see it that way. Its not like you cant take your kid with you when you leave. They chose to come here illegally and have children. Its not a shock it could happen. Its a risk they took. Just because its said why should they be allowed a free pass. All that's going to do is make more illegal immigrants have kids when they get here so they can stay.

    Also why doesnt it seem like its a bigger problem with Mexicans and south Americans. You dont see it as much with Europeans.
    i think we should ***ort the mothers, and keep the kids.. we need soilders raised in orphanages..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    1) English language
    2) respect and follow US law (i.e. don't sneak across the borders and take advantage of programs that are reserved for US citizens).
    You are being naive Logan or maybe you are just sugar coating your true feelings when you say that is all you want immigrants to assimilate to.

    Look I'm not for opening the borders and allowing illegals to have instant citizenship. All I was saying is an immigrant is an immigrant and being from Europe doesn't make you better whether they want to speak english or not. That's racist rhetoric no matter how you try to spin it.

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    god its unreal you come to this country illegally and then you go make protests complaing about citizenships. its like you dont even belong here in the first place
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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    You are being naive Logan or maybe you are just sugar coating your true feelings when you say that is all you want immigrants to assimilate to.

    Look I'm not for opening the borders and allowing illegals to have instant citizenship. All I was saying is an immigrant is an immigrant and being from Europe doesn't make you better whether they want to speak english or not. That's racist rhetoric no matter how you try to spin it.
    You posed the question, I answered it. "European" immigrants had to go through Ellis Island, so please quit trying to equate the two...........

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    I agree with logan european immigrants are completly different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1
    they were talking about a woman from Chicago last night that is supposed to be ***orted. But she had a child while here and he is a legal citizen. Some church is letting her live there in sanctuary.

    They were complaining that it breaks apart families and isn't fair. I don't see it that way. Its not like you cant take your kid with you when you leave. They chose to come here illegally and have children. Its not a shock it could happen. Its a risk they took. Just because its said why should they be allowed a free pass. All that's going to do is make more illegal immigrants have kids when they get here so they can stay.

    Also why doesnt it seem like its a bigger problem with Mexicans and south Americans. You dont see it as much with Europeans.
    Europeans built this country.


    Can someone clerify this for me
    If a couple comes over here illegally and has a child here, the child is considered a US Citizen?

    Is that kind of like having a bag of ****, and taking a seed out, and growing a plant, but the plant is ok?

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    yes the kid is a citzen and if a cuben touches land they are a citzen but the coast guard can stop them in the water, funny

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    Quote Originally Posted by SVTMuscle
    Europeans built this country.

    Can someone clerify this for me
    If a couple comes over here illegally and has a child here, the child is considered a US Citizen?

    Is that kind of like having a bag of ****, and taking a seed out, and growing a plant, but the plant is ok?

    That's bullshit!!!! This country was built by all immigrants, both forced and willing immigrants. Not just Europeans!!!

    I knew someone would slip up and mention why this immigration thing is such a problem. It's just typical of people trying to portray racial superiority. Since according to SVT Europeans built this country (which we know isn't entirely true) it would be ok if all the illegals were European because anyone who isn't white (European) is the problem with our country and Europeans only make it better.

    I knew someone would eventually show their true colors. And unfortunately that is the true underlying issue of this immigration issue. Too bad, because immigration really is a really big problem that effects all of us Americans. And no one criminal (illegal alien) is better than another because of their country of origin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    You posed the question, I answered it. "European" immigrants had to go through Ellis Island, so please quit trying to equate the two...........
    I'm not talking about Europeans who landed at Ellis Island at the turn of the century. I'm talking about European immigrants of today. Nobody goes through Ellis Island today. It's a museum!!! Try again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    I'm not talking about Europeans who landed at Ellis Island at the turn of the century. I'm talking about European immigrants of today. Nobody goes through Ellis Island today. It's a museum!!! Try again.
    So your saying that Hispanics do not make up 90% of the approx. 15million ILLEGAL immigrants that are in the US today that? Seriously, now you are really looking at this with your head in the sand. Can you supply any articles about this massive influx of illegal "Europeans" that you speak of?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    So your saying that Hispanics do not make up 90% of the approx. 15million ILLEGAL immigrants that are in the US today that? Seriously, now you are really looking at this with your head in the sand. Can you supply any articles about this massive influx of illegal "Europeans" that you speak of?

    Now you are again skewing what I'm saying Logan. Hispanics make up 12million of the estimated 15million illegal aliens. The other 3 million come from other parts of the world, that includes Europe. I'm not saying that hispanics aren't the major problem in immigration. I think I stated earlier what the reasons were. But obviously they aren't the only problem. An illegal alien is an illegal alien no matter where in the world they are from.

    I knew we would get to the real reason for this immigration argument eventually. They way you all are making it sound, if the 12 million illegals where European it would be alright, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    I knew we would get to the real reason for this immigration argument eventually. They way you all are making it sound, if the 12 million illegals where European it would be alright, right?
    No, you are trying to make this argument. As a black man in the US, you should be concerned about hispanics taking the lower paying jobs way from LEGAL minorities.
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    As stated before Logan, I'm against all illegal aliens, not just hispanics. Again, an illegal alien is an illegal alien, no matter where they are from. And there are illegal aliens from Europe as well and they are no better or worse than those from Latin America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    As stated before Logan, I'm against all illegal aliens, not just hispanics. Again, an illegal alien is an illegal alien, no matter where they are from. And there are illegal aliens from Europe as well and they are no better or worse than those from Latin America.

    Bullshit! I am not racist, but I do live in Texas, and I don't go to the local mall worrying about my wife and kids safety from European immigrants if you know what I am saying!! I would not mine hispanic illegal immigrants so much, if the crime rate in the area they migrate to, did not jump 50% in a years span. If you don't beleive me, just go to Town East Mall in Mesquite, Tx. and see the 20-30 cops on duty, compared to 5 years ago when you maybe saw one cop on duty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    As stated before Logan, I'm against all illegal aliens, not just hispanics. Again, an illegal alien is an illegal alien, no matter where they are from. And there are illegal aliens from Europe as well and they are no better or worse than those from Latin America.
    I just don't see the non-hispanic illegals protesting in the streets while waving their country of origin flag. I do not appreciate having to pick "English" or "Spanish" in my daily life. As I said, respect our laws for getting in this country and learn the language.

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemethejuice
    Bullshit! I am not racist, but I do live in Texas, and I don't go to the local mall worrying about my wife and kids safety from European immigrants if you know what I am saying!! I would not mine hispanic illegal immigrants so much, if the crime rate in the area they migrate to, did not jump 50% in a years span. If you don't beleive me, just go to Town East Mall in Mesquite, Tx. and see the 20-30 cops on duty, compared to 5 years ago when you maybe saw one cop on duty.
    There is nothing racist about the facts...........

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    Logan, you pointed to Europeans coming into Ellis Island during the turn of the century, but if you do you research, crime statistics exploded in New York and the surrounding areas with these new immigrants as well.

    You don't see non-hispanics protesting, the first person interviewed by Fox News (your buddies, Logan) was an illegal from N. Ireland.

    Lastly Givemejuice, I went to high school in El Paso Texas and like El Paso, Mesquite has always been mostly hispanic.

    Again, you can't convince me that there is a difference in European immigrants and Hispanic immigrants. Neither is better or worse than others and thinking otherwise is simply racists ideology.

    Just admit it you all... you would much rather the immigrants to be white than non-whites, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    Logan, you pointed to Europeans coming into Ellis Island during the turn of the century, but if you do you research, crime statistics exploded in New York and the surrounding areas with these new immigrants as well
    Crime exploded because of poverty and the lack of law enforement. Besides, they came into this country legally.....

    Just admit it you all... you would much rather the immigrants to be white than non-whites, right?
    I prefer my immigrants to be green.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    Logan, you pointed to Europeans coming into Ellis Island during the turn of the century, but if you do you research, crime statistics exploded in New York and the surrounding areas with these new immigrants as well.

    You don't see non-hispanics protesting, the first person interviewed by Fox News (your buddies, Logan) was an illegal from N. Ireland.

    Lastly Givemejuice, I went to high school in El Paso Texas and like El Paso, Mesquite has always been mostly hispanic.

    Again, you can't convince me that there is a difference in European immigrants and Hispanic immigrants. Neither is better or worse than others and thinking otherwise is simply racists ideology.

    Just admit it you all... you would much rather the immigrants to be white than non-whites, right?
    I agree illegal is illegal. Now legal or not if you are living here you should speak English or at least be learning it. And it doesn't matter what language they speak. It pisses me off when my girl speaks a lot of Russian in public

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    Quote Originally Posted by BgMc31
    Logan, you pointed to Europeans coming into Ellis Island during the turn of the century, but if you do you research, crime statistics exploded in New York and the surrounding areas with these new immigrants as well.

    crime stats exploded because of the automobile..... not immigration.

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