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    Critique this 5x5-inspired chest workout, please...

    Whatsup guys and girls,

    Ever since I can remember, my chest has always been my weakpoint. After years of looking for a routine and plateauing at about a 70 lb dumbell bench press, I decided to incorporate some advice I've researched on the boards, In particular, posts by FaizakaFez (for the actual workout) and DocSust (for the theory behind the training):

    1.Limit my shoulder workouts to once or twice a month (instead of four)
    2a.Incorporate the 5x5 method of training into my chest workout--slow, progressive workload, basically
    2b.Focus on my upper chest area (my weak point) by emphasizing incline db bench press as the core "5x5 exercise"

    Here's excerpts from his post:

    Quote Originally Posted by FaizakaFez
    I'll do my best to try and remember all the elements that make the program work.

    The premise of the routine is progressive overload, meaning that every week you are putting increasing amounts of stress on the muscles, generally through small increases in the amount of weight used. The progressive overload forces the body to grow to adapt to the increasing amounts of stress, even though the body really isnt training to failure.

    The routine consists of choosing a heavy compound exercise to use for each bodypart, these can include, squat, deadlifts, bench press, close grip bench, standing barbell curls, military press, etc. On top of the initial 5x5, you also choose 2 other exercises, and aim to do 2 sets on each, of 8-10 reps per set.
    Here's a sample routine
    Chest
    Flat bench 5x5
    incline dumbell press 2x8-10
    incline flyes 2x8-10

    The key for me when using this routine is to start light, at weights that you can easily nail your reps and concentrate on form. For example, say you can bench 225lbs for 8 reps, start with 195lbs on the bar. This should be easy, but if you keep your reps slow and in control, you will still get a good pump and have a good workout. Next week, bump up the weight by a SMALL increment, remember the key is to be able to keep adding weight, it's not a race to get to the massive poundages. If you add too quickly you will plateau in a hurry and the routine wont do jack for you. So you hit 5x5 on 195, next week its 200, the week after 205, etc. When you get to a point where you're starting to have trouble hitting your reps, add something extra to help, if you're natural, thats when I would throw in creatine and whatever else as this will help you keep adding weight. If you dont get all 5x5, then do not add more weight next week, stick with the same and the odds are you'll hit it next time you try.

    This routine is very effective as it targets fast twitch muscle fibres(5x5) as well as slower twitch(8-10reps) all in the same workout. Generally when done correctly you can gain lots of size as well as some pretty incredible strength all at the same time. I'm only a bodybuilder and dont give a rat's ass about strength, but have hit lifts (ie, deadlift 550lbs for 5 reps) that would allow me to compete as a powerlifter.

    Eventually no matter what you are doing or what you are on, the strength gains will come to an end. What I have found worked well for me was when I couldnt add more weight to the 5x5, I switched over to 5x3 instead, and was able to keep adding weight. The beauty there is that as you keep adding weight past where you were stuck on the 5x5, that weight you were stuck on will feel like a joke when you go back to it as you were just lifting more, albiet for less reps.
    Here's an example I used when my squats went stale. I had been stuck on 405lbs for a while, but just couldnt get all my sets so that I could add more weight, so heres what I did.
    week 1 410lbs 5x3reps
    week 2 415lbs 5x3reps
    week 3 420lbs 5x3 reps
    week 4 425lbs 5x3 reps
    week 5 430lbs 5x3reps
    week 6 435lbs 5x3 reps
    then back to 5x5
    week 7 405lbs 5x5(now this felt really light after 435lbs)
    week 8 410lbs 5x5
    etc.......
    But this time when I finally plateaued again, I was squatting 445lbs for 5's. Notice the weight increases were very small, percentage wise it was almost nothing, but see how it added up. When I first started the 5x5 routine back in the day, I was squatting 225lbs for 5x5, and since then the program has allowed me to put over 200lbs on my squat, and about 4" on my quads.

    ...and using a bar instead of dumbells on stuff like bench or curls give me more freedom to add whatever amount of weight that I want, instead of having to go up 5lb per side every time
    As you can see in the last portion of the quote, he noted that he likes using a bar instead of dumbells, as it gives him more flexibility in "inching" up his poundages instead of being forced to go up 5 lbs in each dumbell.

    I've been using his chest workout (also including 5x15 skullcrushers or CG benchpresses to finish off my tris) for the past two weeks, but with dumbells instead of barbells (as I want to ensure I'm not using my right side more). However, since the dumbbells at my gym go up by 5 lb intervals, I'm afraid jumping up my poundage by 10 lbs total (5 lbs each dumbell) each week would be moving up too quickly. For example, here's my first two weeks:

    Week 1: 5x5x55 lbs
    Week 2: 5x5x60 lbs
    Week 3: ???

    I was thinking of alternating 5x5 and 5x3 weeks while moving up in poundage. For example:

    Week 1: 5x5x55 lbs
    Week 2: 5x5x60 lbs
    Week 3: 5x3x65 lbs
    Week 4: 5x5x65 lbs
    Week 5: 5x3x70 lbs
    Week 6: 5x5x70 lbs

    So basically its staying at the same weight for two weeks but increasing the reps in the second of two weeks. What do you guys think? Should I just go the normal 5x5 protocol as outlined by Fez above (ie increase weight each week even if it means going down to 5x3)? Or is my "dumbell" adjustment to the 5x5 workout ok?

    Thanks for all the help, and sorry for the long friggin' post

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    Its a good routine (Madcow's) ecept you will be better off using barbells...reason = you can add increiments of 2.5, etc instead of having to go to 60, then 65 etc dbells......you will platuaue too fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Columbus
    Its a good routine (Madcow's) ecept you will be better off using barbells...reason = you can add increiments of 2.5, etc instead of having to go to 60, then 65 etc dbells......you will platuaue too fast.
    Hey Columbus, I hear ya. I'm in a phase right now where I'm anti-BB unless absolutely necessary (ie Deadlifts, Squats). I'm very much concerned about ensuring that my body stays symetrical, and I've discovered that DB's help me out with this situation. I'm going to try the 5x5/5x3 workout for my chest and see how it goes.

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    like you said, wouldnt increasing/decreasing reps act as the same as incrementing weight?
    ie instead of 115lb bar for 5 do 55 db for7, or something like that?

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    To add size to your chest...couldn't you incorporate Negatives???

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    I like this lifting style. 5x5 and then the additional higher rep sets for that bodypart. Just seems like its best of both worlds.

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