plateau breaking "bench"

[boostedevo8]

well as the title states, I am currently trying to break a plateau on my bench....I've ben stuck around the 370 to 380 range for some time now.....

here is the question......should I add 25 to 30lbs over my current max and attempt the lift with a spotters help....I know I won't be able to lift it on my own but I'm trying to shock my body with the extra weight....trying to get my body used to the heavier load....

would this method be ideal?

I would control the weight on the negative but require assistance on the lifting of the weight.....

like I stated above , the soul purpose of this would be only to get my body used to holding the heavier weight , hoping it would get me to break my plateau

[boostedevo8]

powerlifting gurus please chime in....

[artica]

no, I wouldn't do that personally. Raw bench pressing is a tad bit different. If your currently at a plateau take a week off from pressing then come back. I can't add more advice than that though as you really didn't put down enough information for us to help you out......

[boostedevo8]

what do u mean not enough info?

I just asked if it was a ok method to break through a plateau, simple question for simple answer, that's all......

thanx for your feedback but can you explain why raw benching is a tad bit different......I'm not a experienced power lifter so whatever knowledge you can share is appreciated.........

[artica]

yes, simple question for a simple answer.

I was just trying to be very helpful and actually be of further help by providing additional help, but I would require further information first. That was all, I was not accusing you of anything for you to get defensive. Would you of rather of just had me say "NO" and leave the whole thing at that. That would be a simple answer!

**** this, Im done with this thread. Im not one to give or take attitude. Sorry for the tone.

[Doc.Sust]

well as the title states, I am currently trying to break a plateau on my bench....I've ben stuck around the 370 to 380 range for some time now.....

here is the question......should I add 25 to 30lbs over my current max and attempt the lift with a spotters help....I know I won't be able to lift it on my own but I'm trying to shock my body with the extra weight....trying to get my body used to the heavier load....

would this method be ideal?

I would control the weight on the negative but require assistance on the lifting of the weight.....

like I stated above , the soul purpose of this would be only to get my body used to holding the heavier weight , hoping it would get me to break my plateau

it is a terrible idea. if you want to get used to holing heavier weight, do rack lockouts, negative presses will not make you stronger, just will over train the fck out of your CNS and burn you out.

if you dont believe me, try it out and see how bad an idea it is for yourself.

[boostedevo8]

well sorry for you getting upset and assuming that I was denfensive which was incorrect, sorry if it seemed that way, oh and my last sorry is sorry for wasting your ****ing time on this thread...... you could have easily not replied......

[Doc.Sust]

what do u mean not enough info?

I just asked if it was a ok method to break through a plateau, simple question for simple answer, that's all......

this is the type of guy you should want to take advice from, if i am not mistaken i think artica is ranked 2nd in the entire nation with his powerlifting total. and at least in the top ten in the squat, press and deadlift. congrat on offending him and losing a valuable source of knowledege . way to go champ!

[boostedevo8]

it is a terrible idea. if you want to get used to holing heavier weight, do rack lockouts, negative presses will not make you stronger, just will over train the fck out of your CNS and burn you out.




if you dont believe me, try it out and see how bad an idea it is for yourself.

thanx for the explanation DOC......since I was waiting for a reply before I attempted this method I will just go ahead and disregard it.....

ill go with your suggestion about the lock out .....the last thing I need is to be over trained.....

thanx again for the helpful info

[boostedevo8]

this is the type of guy you should want to take advice from, if i am not mistaken i think artica is ranked 2nd in the entire nation with his powerlifting total. and at least in the top ten in the squat, press and deadlift. congrat on offending him and losing a valuable source of knowledege . way to go champ!

we'll I didnt know who he was .........my apologies.......

ohwell

[Doc.Sust]

we'll I didnt know who he was .........my apologies.......

ohwell

no reason to be nasty, lets all get along

[artica]

we'll I didnt know who he was .........my apologies.......

ohwell

no reason to be nasty, lets all get along

I think we both got off on the wrong foot.

Here are my .02 on the question at hand:

When you hit a plateau usually there are three variables that are playing account for that.
1. mind in relation to the peripheral nervous system
*basically your mind cannot recruit more fibers via peripheral nervous system to fire.
2. paradigm overload (exhausted exercise, contraction exhaustion etc...)
3. CNS

so, if you were to do a supra-maximal eccentric you would basically be super overloading suggestion #2 but only in one direction. paradigm overload basically means that the same exercise has "warmed it's welcome" due to the CNS stimulus (overuse), in order to improve this you either:
1. need to improve work capacity/GPP
2. rest and create compensation, and recovery

In simple terms, Doc.Sust basically said perfectly by stating that a supra maximal eccentric at this point will create OVERTRAINING.

But, "oh well" right?

[boostedevo8]

wow that's one of the best responses I've ever got on this board....thanx a lot.....

sorry for coming off the way I did.....didn't mean to offend anyone ......plus I didn't know the level of experience or knowledge you have..... yup kinda feel like a jack ass now "oh well" lol


I will take that one week off from pressing...since you recommend it....

hey when it comes to that point where one needs to admit they fcuked up, I hve no problem admitting it.......so again, "my bad"

thanx for the info ......

[Doc.Sust]

I think we both got off on the wrong foot.

Here are my .02 on the question at hand:

When you hit a plateau usually there are three variables that are playing account for that.
1. mind in relation to the peripheral nervous system
*basically your mind cannot recruit more fibers via peripheral nervous system to fire.
2. paradigm overload (exhausted exercise, contraction exhaustion etc...)
3. CNS

so, if you were to do a supra-maximal eccentric you would basically be super overloading suggestion #2 but only in one direction. paradigm overload basically means that the same exercise has "warmed it's welcome" due to the CNS stimulus (overuse), in order to improve this you either:
1. need to improve work capacity/GPP
2. rest and create compensation, and recovery

In simple terms, Doc.Sust basically said perfectly by stating that a supra maximal eccentric at this point will create OVERTRAINING.

But, "oh well" right?

Damn A. you put the 'science" back into my caveman like statement!lol!! wow couldnt have said it better than you did, great answer

[RJstrong]

damn... i was gonna say just go lift some more heavy stuff... but I like artica's answer much better... you the man A. great answer!!!