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    first pct

    i only have a few more weeks left on my cycle witch was
    dbol 30mg week 1-4
    test e 500mg week 1-14
    deca 300mg week 1-10
    tren e 175mg every 5 day week 5-12

    i have nolv and Arimidex for pct
    i was told to start nolv two week after last injection at 20mg i day nolv and the Arimidex at 1mg a day.

    my question is if the doses are correct how long to take nolv and arimidex?. and when to start taking arimidex?

    i have been on many cycle but never knew about pct so this is my first one.

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    Look at Anthony Roberts PCT, A-dex and nolva together is a bad idea they reduce each others effects-wont get in to details , just check the thread- if you dont have HCG, then I beleive the following is one of the best PCT's available at this time :for a 10 week cycle
    weeks 9-12: Aromasin 20mg/day
    weeks 9-13: Nolvadex 20mg/day
    weeks 14: Nolvadex 10mg/day
    weeks 15: Nolvadex 5mg/day

    Good luck Bro!
    Last edited by lastrep1; 05-21-2007 at 04:43 AM.

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    so when would someone use Arimidex and where do u get aromasin

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    A-dex on cycle, and the other item, are friend the lion may be able to help you, NOT CHEAP!

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    thought the site was down and no one was getting orders

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    Smile

    look around on the forums there are plenty of good research chemical companies, for keeping your rats in good shape.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrep1
    Look at Anthony Roberts PCT, A-dex and nolva together is a bad idea they cancel each others effects-wont get in to details , just check the thread- if you dont have HCG, then I beleive the following is one of the best PCT's available at this time :for a 10 week cycle
    weeks 9-12: Aromasin 20mg/day
    weeks 9-13: Nolvadex 20mg/day
    weeks 14: Nolvadex 10mg/day
    weeks 15: Nolvadex 5mg/day

    Good luck Bro!
    sorry but a-dex and nolva together do not cancel each others effects.

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    Here is the response to your question MOE ... this is a write up by Anthony Roberts...

    "Difference Between Type-I and Type-II Aromatase Inhibitors

    To understand why Aromasin may be useful in conjunction with Nolvadex while both Letro and A-dex suffer reduced effectiveness, we’ll need to first understand the differences between a Type-I and Type-II Aromatase Inhibitor. Type I inhibitors (like Aromasin) are actually steroidal compounds, while type II inhibitors (like Letro and A-dex) are non-steroidal drugs. Hence, androgenic side effects are very possible with Type-I AIs, and they should probably be avoided by women. Of course, there are some similarities between the two types of AIs…both type I & type II AIs mimic normal substrates (essentially androgens), allowing them to compete with the substrate for access to the binding site on the aromatase enzyme. After this binding, the next step is where things differ greatly for the two different types of AI’s. In the case of a type-I AI, the noncompetitive inhibitor will bind, and the enzyme initiates a sequence of hydroxylation; this hydroxylation produces an unbreakable covalent bond between the inhibitor and the enzyme protein. Now, enzyme activity is permanently blocked; even if all unattached inhibitor is removed. Aromatase enzyme activity can only be restored by new enzyme synthesis. Now, on the other hand, competitive inhibitors, called type II AI’s, reversibly bind to the active enzyme site, and one of two things can happen: 1.) either no enzyme activity is triggered or 2.) the enzyme is somehow triggered without effect. The type II inhibitor can now actually disassociate from the binding site, eventually allowing renewed competition between the inhibitor and the substrate for binding to the site. This means that the effectiveness of competitive aromatase inhibitors ***ends on the relative concentrations and affinities of both the inhibitor and the substrate, while this is not so for noncompetitive inhibitors. Aromasin is a type-I inhibitor, meaning that once it has done its job, and deactivated the aromatase enzyme, we don’t need it anymore. Letrozole and Arimidex actually need to remain present to continue their effects. This is possibly why Nolvadex does not alter the pharmacokinetics of Aromasin (11).

    Conclusion

    Before we close the book on Aromasin, it’s worth noting that you can (and should) still use one of the non-steroidal AIs during your cycle to reduce estrogen, if necessary. When you are ready for PCT, you can then switch over to Aromasin and still experience the full effects of an AI, since there is no cross-over tolerance experienced between steroidal and non-steroidal AIs (9). Since Aromasin is about 65% efficient at suppressing estrogen (10), it’s certainly a very powerful agent, especially considering you won’t experience reduced effectiveness because of your concurrent use of Nolvadex or from any sort of tolerance developed by using other AIs on your cycle(9). There is also a decent amount of preclinical data suggesting that Aromasin has a beneficial effect on bone mineral metabolism that is not seen with non-steroidal agents, and it may also have beneficial effects on lipid metabolism that are not found in the non-steroidal Letro and A-dex (9).

    Finally, as we’re going to be using Nolvadex for PCT anyway, and we ought to be using an AI with it for maximum recovery…I think Aromasin- considering it’s compatibility with Nolvadex and beneficial effects on bone mineral content and lipid profile, has finally stopped being the black sheep of AIs and found a home in our cycles".

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    nolvadex can reduce the effect of a-dex but they dont cancel each other out

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    Wow your spliting atoms, I was suggesting to the fellow AR, brother that combining the two substances is not a good idea, sorry the correct answer is one substance reduces the others effectiveness, wow dude, Give me a break --the two dont mix well-end of story--peace

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    the two do mix as a matter of fact, running adex and nolva together can still do the job and have someone recover from a cycle.

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    Aromasin with nolva are more effective for a pct, than a-dex and nolva, so why argue the point if your wrong?

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    aromasin with nolva is more effective yes, i never said it isnt, all im saying is you were wrong when you said that nolva and adex cancel each other out making it a useless pct. pls dont give advices to anyone again till you educate yourself a little more, welcome to the forum.

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    Your an idiot

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    Quote Originally Posted by lastrep1
    Your an idiot
    thank you for your maturity

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    Your an idiot
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