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    Best Technique I have found in 4 years

    I have been training about 4 years now, and I think I have tried everything. I have trianed everywhere from twice a week to seven times a week, I have tried always going heavy, and always going light, I have tried only doing power movements, and always doing isolation movements, I have tried long breaks between sets, and short breaks between sets, I have stayed in the gym for as long as 3 hours a day, and as little as 30 minutes a day...
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    I finally put together the perfect workout program. After years of reading this and that, and all these other people's training splits, and doing research on muscle recovery, etc. I finally found what gives me the most size and mass, in the shortest amount of time.

    Some of you may recognize some other meathods mixed in with this, but I assure you, the split in its entirety is completely my own.

    To lay it out simply at first, I have made some rules that I lift by.
    1) Train no longer than 45 minutes a day
    2) Only rest 12 breathes between sets
    3) Keep all movements strict and controlled
    4) During the set, never let the muscle rest, and do not allow momentum to come into play
    5) Only train 4 days a week, to maximize recuperation time.
    6) Only do 3 different excercises per muscle (example, 3 for the upper chest, 3 for the mid chest, 3 for the biceps, 3 for the triceps, etc)
    7) Only do 3 sets per excercize
    8) Always aim for the 8-12 rep range. Meaning, you can always do at least 8 reps, but cannot succeed in doing more than 12 reps
    9) Flex or stretch your muscles between sets
    10) Drink plenty of water

    So, right off the bat, you may be asking how you can work all the muscles in only 4 days, with only 45 minutes to work.
    Well, I will lend my training split as an example
    Monday: Chest, Shoulders, and One set of Triceps
    Wednesday: Back, Traps, and One set of Biceps
    Friday: Legs
    Saturday: Arms

    Now believe it or not, none of this has been put together by random guessing, I have actually put all my knowledge to work simotaneously in this program.
    For example,
    1)College studies have shown that flexing/Stretching muscles between sets helps expand the overall relaxed size of the muscle, and helps to pump more blood into the muscle while not being directly worked.

    2)Studies have proven that to maximize muscle stimulation for growth, at least 8 reps must be performed. But, Studies also include that after 12 reps, the body shuts down the "size" building process, and switches to endurance gains.

    3)For building power with the lack of size gains, it is important to rest several minutes between sets, BUT, for BODYBUILDING, where you train not for power, but for overall size and developement, short (12 breathe) rest periods are required

    4)It is a proven fact that most lifters over train. They let their ego take control, and have the natural thought process that "More is Better", this leads them to going to the gym 6 to 7 days a weeks, and doing way too many excercises, sets, and reps. So, they are off to a bad start by overworking the muscles, and make it worse by not taking enough time off to let the muscles fully recuperate.

    5) Studies, along with overall experience, shows that although most muscles should only be worked once a week, the triceps and biceps require to be worked twice a week for maximum gains. That is why on My chest and Shoulder day, where the tricep has been worked secondary, I finish with one strictly tricep excercise, same as doing one bicep excercise at the end of my Back and Trap workout. While, still leaving a day at the end of the week to focus on arms alone.

    The list goes on, but I assure you, I have done my research these past years.

    It is a fact that "power movements" help build size and density. But, for full developement of a muscle, isolation exercises are needed.
    That is why in my training program, I always start my muscle with a power movement, then move to more of an isolation movement, and then a complete Isolation movement.
    For example.
    For the mid chest. I would start with Flat Barbell Bench. Still focusing on 8-12 reps, and all the other rules I stated. Then, after 3 sets of Flat BB Bench, I move to 3 sets of Flat Dumbbell Bench, and finish it with 3 sets of Flat Flies.

    Also, by only resting 12 breathes, only doing 3 excercises per bodypart, and only 3 sets per excercise, workouts are maximum intensity in a minimum time frame.

    And when I choose the which excercises to do, and in which order, I choose carefully.
    The Biceps for example. I start with incline Dumbbell curl. In the incline position, the bicep already has maximum stretch and tension on it. After orking it in this position, it wants to tighten away from being so stretched, so I move to the next closest excercise. I then do standing barbell curls. After being worked in the incline postion, the biceps have tightened to the point where a standing dumbell movement makes them feel just as stretched, with just as much continuos tension as the original incline curl. After I have tightened them beyond this point, I go to spider curls or preacher curls. This way, the bicep is as loose as possible while relazed, but thanks to the previous workouts, now feels just as tight, with just as much tension as the previous excercises.

    As Charles Glass says, "Once a stick of dinomite has exploded, you cannot explode it again, its done"
    Which means, once the muscle feels pumped, it is done, if you keep on pushing it, it will begin to tear down too much, and you have successfully overtrained it.

    When I first started doing this, with only training 4 days a week, and 45 minutes a day, with such a low amount of excercises and sets, and to top it off, using lighter wieght than I was used to, so I could make to sure to keep perfect form, I simply felt like I was wasting my time. I felt like I was undertraining, and I wanted to do more. But, I was WRONG.
    It worked WONDERS. I began to see gains on a regular basis, and have yet to hit a plateau. And that was all natural. Now, I am on my cycle, and it is even better.

    I suggest that if you read this, you trust me, and try it for a couple of weeks, but try to go for 4 to 6 weeks. I gaurantee you will never look back. I have suggested this to other lifters, and all of them have had nothing but good things to say about the results they see.

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    First off props for going into so much detail. Second, it is nice to see someone who is relatively new to the board contributing in such a manner. I know alot of people on this board are sacredly bonded to their workout styles, but if you help some who are struggling with gains then you have done your part. Hats Off.

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    Very good post, thanks for this. I've got some questions though.

    Do you keep a workout log?
    How often do you change the exercises in your routine?
    Are you continually increasing the weight on a regular basis?

    I ask these questions because in any workout routine, if you continually do the same things, week after week, you will only grow to a certain point.

    The training philosophy sounds pretty well thought out, I am on about week 7 of escalating density training and looking for a new routine to start next week. What I like about edt training is that you know you are doing more work week after week, if you can. The number of sets is insane after a while, but you're always limited to 40 minutes of actual training.

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    good stuff buddy, i train very similar to this based around Chris Acetos methods. Great post, and it works! the only point where I would differ is the rest period. I like to wait for my HR to return to near baseline so I can put max effort into next set.
    Last edited by perfectbeast2001; 05-22-2007 at 04:45 AM.

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    Great post, bro- an interesting read, with information I will be looking into.

    Thank ya.

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    intresting post

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    cool... most people struggle finding what works best for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ginkobulloba
    Very good post, thanks for this. I've got some questions though.

    Do you keep a workout log?
    How often do you change the exercises in your routine?
    Are you continually increasing the weight on a regular basis?

    I ask these questions because in any workout routine, if you continually do the same things, week after week, you will only grow to a certain point.

    The training philosophy sounds pretty well thought out, I am on about week 7 of escalating density training and looking for a new routine to start next week. What I like about edt training is that you know you are doing more work week after week, if you can. The number of sets is insane after a while, but you're always limited to 40 minutes of actual training.
    Yes, I keep a workout log, I keep track of what i do, and how much I gain on a regular basis.
    I also change the excercises every week. For example, Last monday I started with mid chest, then went to upper chest, but last night I started with upper chest, then went to mid. I also alternate if I use free weights, machines, or a mix of the two.
    And yes, I increase the weight on a regular basis. I do not increase it before my body is ready though. The first two weeks I did this program, it felt great, and I could see visual increases in my physique, but I didn't get stronger. But, week 3 was like BAM! Suddenly the weight I did the last two weeks was just too light. So now, I have to usually go up in weight every week. Even if it is just 5 or 10 pounds. Because lets say I do 185 lbs on bench the first week. Well, I have this technique I do now. I never let the bar touch my chest, I stop it right before it touches. I believe that when the bar hits the chest, the chest temporarily gets to rest. Also, I don't lock out at the top. I stop right before my elbows lock out. I also believe that when you let the weight rest on your locked out elbows, your chest is resting again. So, i keep it in constant motion, and never let it touch my chest or lock it out, until i am done. THIS IS INTENSE lol. It also makes it more intense that after this set, i only have 12 breathes of rest.
    I usually keep the weight the same for all three sets, Because 185 is hard to do with this technique, but is even harder by the next set, and very hard by the third set. Well, I notice that by the next week it is even easier, and the following week, even easier. After I am getting 12 reps with all three sets, and I can see that my muscles need more weight to get a good workout, I then go up to 205, and in time up to 225, etc etc etc.

    What I have also noticed is because I work the muscles so strict, and they are able to get stronger on such a regular basis with such strict form, than when the day comes where I want to show off in the gym, and just see what I can max out on, I am always happy. I go back to classic bench press. I let the weight down faster, I let it hit my chest, and I throw it back up as fast as I can. Well, when you are able to do such high reps with such strict form when using over 200 lbs in your routine, then suddenly maxing out at over 300 is no problem, lol.

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    Thanks for taking the time to read this everyone, and thanks for the replies.
    I have been configuring this technique for quite awhile, and I am very proud of the finished technique, and the results I see from it.
    Thanks again for the replies.
    Keep on lifting

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    I like it.....but I usually rest till my respirations are in the normal.......then I know I'm ready to go at it again..........some times it can take afew seconds or sometimes 2 to 3 min.....just ***ends on the effort that was put in....

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    Great read, I agree with most everything. Thanks for putting the time in, I will give it s shot.

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    Great post! The only thing that caught me by surprise was the short rest between sets for muscle growth. I am training for power at this time but when I am ready for hypertrophy again I will definitely try your method.

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    FCKING POST OF THE YEAR<

    If everyone new to lifting read this there really wouldnt be a need for a workout fourm.

    OUTSTANDING MAN, Totally agree.

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    bump

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    Good post although i think its important to note that different ppl respond to different things. while this works the best for you, this shouldn't be taken as the best way to train

    While some of your points are 100% valid, an individuals workout should cater to that individual, for an example i like to work in the 3-5 rep range for a few a set during my workout, while many say its not in the "optimal" range, it makes my strength jump by recruiting all the fibers in the muscle, and adds density and fullness that i like. at the end of the day strength will equal size at a later point i will be able to throw in some iso movements to sculpt and shape

    and 12 breathes will beat the hell out of my endurance, good for you if u can keep that pace up, i know my strength will be sapped on my 2nd and 3rd sets

    i respect the time and effort you have put into research and scientific backing for your workout plan, i however am still a big believer in instinctive training and adapting my workout as i go along for the best results

    just my 2 cents

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    Great post how would you add cardio into the whole mix, i will also give your training a go this week.

    Guess i was doing it all wrong.

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    I do something similar to this I usually don't go more than an hour. Only thing is I rest several minutes for power without excessive sizE ^_^

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    Sorry guys but i have to admit i am confused, i been training since i was 13 years old got injured at 31 and am back at 35.

    It has been an almost 6 years layoff due to back pain.

    Keeping my workout short has always been a rule of thumb, never more then 45 minutes with weights it can be shorter then this if i take 30 seconds break.

    I been reading a lot about HST training and it seems to be a very good system it says that most muscles need 48 hours to recuperate, and that by training total body workout each muscles can be worked 3 times a week, combined with the UD2.0 diet it does wonders.

    I am just asking cause its so confusing for me right now, i mean if i train chest, delts and triceps on Monday couldnt i train then again on Thursday, would theses muscles rested enough? and would it be better to listen to your body?

    A total body workout can be easly kept within 45 minutes, of course there would only be one exercise per bodypart, since the each muscles would be trained 3 times a week.

    Also HST does advise pump training at least in the 15 rep week and the 8-12 reps week.

    HST has 3 phase the first 2 weeks you keep your rep range in the 15 but you still life heavy to ***lete glycogen in the muscle then the 3 and 4 week you get into more conventional training 8-12 reps and the last 5-6 week its strengh training with 3-5 reps.

    Can you guys help me with all the confusion?
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    Well, as far as the whole recovery thing goes, everyone is different.
    I have found from personal experience, and what I have read, that only working a muscle once a week (except arms) is the best way. But, I also know several guys who recover very fast, and are able to train the same muscle two to three times a week, and they see better results from that.
    It just ***ends. Everyone is different.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Viking
    Well, as far as the whole recovery thing goes, everyone is different.
    I have found from personal experience, and what I have read, that only working a muscle once a week (except arms) is the best way. But, I also know several guys who recover very fast, and are able to train the same muscle two to three times a week, and they see better results from that.
    It just ***ends. Everyone is different.
    I am from the old school of overtraining LOL when i started in a real gym back in 1988 i got my training program made that way, it was sick and of course it did not work at all, 20 sets per bodyparts including biceps and triceps.

    Has i said i am starting again, slowly for now i will use the listen to your body principle and see where i can go from there.

    I seem to have better results training each muscles at least twice a week and since i dont go to failure (i guess you can call it afraid to get injured again and i read some pertty good stuff about pump training) then i can train the muscles a few times a week.

    Once again thank you for the great post of course i will follow 90% of all this with a good diet.

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    First I want to say great post very interested in this workout. Thanks for the time you put into it to share with us.Would it be possible to see a more detailed layout of this workout,am going to give this a try in 2 weeks,you say you do 3 different exersizes for upper chest and 3 for middle chest. just a lil confused .

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    Quote Originally Posted by whynot960
    First I want to say great post very interested in this workout. Thanks for the time you put into it to share with us.Would it be possible to see a more detailed layout of this workout,am going to give this a try in 2 weeks,you say you do 3 different exersizes for upper chest and 3 for middle chest. just a lil confused .
    Exacly that would be very good.

    Thanks

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    sounds very good... any other opinions?

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    Well, when I say 3 for upper chest, and 3 for mid, this is what do...
    For upper chest, I start with 3 sets of incline bench, then do 3 sets of incline dumbbell bench, then do 3 sets of incline flies. Then, for mid chest, I do 3 sets of bench press, 3 sets of dumbbell bench press, and then 3 sets of flies.
    I do change it from week to week. Some weeks I will start with md chest first, or I will do cable crossovers instead of flies, Or do smith machine incline, rather than regular incline, etc.

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    This is very close to Chris Aceto's methods and looks good to me. I think this would be a good starting point for someone and then it can be adjusted to fit individual needs based on individual response. I read this and then realized that over the years my training has evolved into something very similar. Good post.

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    Hey awesome stuff man!!

    What I love about your opening post is that rather than just saying "Okay, this is what I do and I know its best and right" is that you have discovered this method through hours and hours of pure trial and error! I too try different things to see what is the "true way" for me and I think im still looking but hey man, I dont see why I cant give your way a go.

    Top stuff on a top post!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Viking
    Well, when I say 3 for upper chest, and 3 for mid, this is what do...
    For upper chest, I start with 3 sets of incline bench, then do 3 sets of incline dumbbell bench, then do 3 sets of incline flies. Then, for mid chest, I do 3 sets of bench press, 3 sets of dumbbell bench press, and then 3 sets of flies.
    I do change it from week to week. Some weeks I will start with md chest first, or I will do cable crossovers instead of flies, Or do smith machine incline, rather than regular incline, etc.
    12 sets for chest pertty good.

    I am still a bit in rehab right now for my back but will be sure try this in the future

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    so for chest you do:
    3 sets of flat bench, 3 sets of flat DB press, 3 sets of flat flys
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    3 sets of incline bench, 3 sets of incline DB press, 3 sets of incline flys
    Then something else..so over 18 sets? not saying its wrong just wanting to see what you do and wanting to do this right???
    thanks

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    Yes, though I sometimes start with incline first.
    But yes
    I would do 18 sets total for my chest. But then, I am done with my chest. I then go on to shoulders. And finish with one excercise for triceps alone.

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    I rather stick to my 9 sets of chest and continue to split my muscles so i can train almost every day.

    I just added boxing and feel great

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    Hi, I am very interested in you routine! To make it clear, what's about shoulders? Do you do the same as for chest => front delt, middle delt & rear delt... And about the back... Thanks again & after I got you reply I'll give it a try!

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonar1234
    I rather stick to my 9 sets of chest and continue to split my muscles so i can train almost every day.

    I just added boxing and feel great
    i agree if i go over 12 sets for chest, i dont see growth. 18 is too many for chest. JMO

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    chest hypertrphy

    i agree with the 18 sets for chest based solely upon the fact that hes training chest once a week...this way u can afford the volume to ensure maximal muscle fiber recruitment.. i on the other hand..do about 9 sets of chest for the mere fact that i hit twice a week and choose not to risk overtraining. OUR ENEMY! but i like ur routine if i was to hit chest every 7 dayz.. just a little two cents for everyone. also.. u im a big fan of the pre-exhaust technoque this way volume remains low while intensity hits the friggin fan. AWESOME!! byw. great post dude and best of luck bro

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    Great post, love it, and Im trying it now, thanks

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    awesome results

    This is one hell of a good routine. I love the hypertrophy. Thanks for the research and sharing your technique. TTL

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    that routine is ok for crusing. I dont think i could make size strength gains on it, but where all in different postions and points in our lifting careear goals. My work outs are exact to lee priests. and almost same weight.

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    great post

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    Haha phew took me awhile to read all of this. It has always been hard for me to grasp the less is more concept but Im going to design a workout very similar to yours. Great post.

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    great post bro. i love trying new programs. I definitely agree with the 4x week and no more than 45 mins. Its very easy to overtrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -DedicateD-
    Good post although i think its important to note that different ppl respond to different things. while this works the best for you, this shouldn't be taken as the best way to train

    While some of your points are 100% valid, an individuals workout should cater to that individual, for an example i like to work in the 3-5 rep range for a few a set during my workout, while many say its not in the "optimal" range, it makes my strength jump by recruiting all the fibers in the muscle, and adds density and fullness that i like. at the end of the day strength will equal size at a later point i will be able to throw in some iso movements to sculpt and shape

    and 12 breathes will beat the hell out of my endurance, good for you if u can keep that pace up, i know my strength will be sapped on my 2nd and 3rd sets

    i respect the time and effort you have put into research and scientific backing for your workout plan, i however am still a big believer in instinctive training and adapting my workout as i go along for the best results

    just my 2 cents

    DITTO

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