Teammate's (Roomate's) Cycle!!!

[athlete20]

His stats:

Age: 20
Height: 5'8"
Weight: 175
BF: N/A - He's pretty lean, but I have no idea what his percentage is.

Ok, here's the deal. He wants to run his first cycle as well, but is basically tripping about staying a midget, LOL. He believes he still has 1" left in him. I spoke to him about the sides associated with steroid use, but he still wants to. So, I want to help and keep him as safe as I possibly can. I modified my cycle to fit his specific needs. Let me know what you guys think? Would the following be an "ok" cycle for him?

Pre-Cycle:

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg eod

Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: Test E 300mg or 400mg/wk, Letro .25mg eod

Weeks 7-14: Winny (caps) 50mg ed

HCG:

Week 13-14: HCG 500IU ed, Letro .25ed

PCT (2 weeks after last Test E injection, PCT will begin):

Aromasin 25mgs/day (35 days) (ED)

Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,60mg,60mg (ED)

DHEA 200mg, 150mg, 100mg, 50mg (ED)

This is what my cycle looks like:

Pre-Cycle:

Week 1-2: Letro .25mg ed

Cycle:

Weeks 1-12: Test E 500mg/wk, Letro .25mg ed
Weeks 7-14: Winny (caps) 50mg ed, Letro .25 ed

HCG:

Week 13-14: HCG 500IU ed

PCT (2 weeks after last Test E injection, PCT will begin):

Either of the following:

Aromasin 25mgs/day (35 days) (ED)
Torm 120mg,90mg,60mg,60mg,60mg (ED)
DHEA 200mg, 150mg, 100mg, 50mg (ED)

*Will possibly run Letro at .25mg eod during Weeks 4-12, then .25mg ed during Weeks 13-14.

Thanks.

[james21]

he will not grow anymore ... and i doubt anyone will advise him do do them since he is under 21 and also i doubt anyone will advise to do 14weeks of winny

[athlete20]

he will not grow anymore ... and i doubt anyone will advise him do do them since he is under 21 and also i doubt anyone will advise to do 14weeks of winny

that's the same thing i told him, but what can you do. i told him the he is just too young to be using, but he just will not listen and i don't want him to mess himself up. wouldn't running winny throughout and in conjunction with Letro help combat estrogen because it will help keep the cycle dry as possible?

[gooer]

pct's great, winny is not necessary especially since you said he's pretty lean, it's just gonna bring more sides. i'd do 500 mg test e a week for 12 weeks for a first cycle like that. and if youre doing that letro's way over kill you could just replace that with .25-.5 arimidex a day.

up to you/him though

[athlete20]

pct's great, winny is not necessary especially since you said he's pretty lean, it's just gonna bring more sides. i'd do 500 mg test e a week for 12 weeks for a first cycle like that. and if youre doing that letro's way over kill you could just replace that with .25-.5 arimidex a day.

up to you/him though

well, he wants to take the winny too because he wants to stay as lean (harden) as possible while increasing strength as well. wouldn't 500mg/wk of test be too much for his size?

[athlete20]

bump...any help one this one? come guys, 14 views, there's has to be someone who can chime in on this one?

[athlete20]

he will not grow anymore ... and i doubt anyone will advise him do do them since he is under 21 and also i doubt anyone will advise to do 14weeks of winny

My bad, I meant to say weeks 7-14. So that's only 8 weeks of winny, which is the longest it should be run. I fixed the mistake.

[THEjuiceISloose73]

175 and winny is dumb......bump test to 500mg a week 1 to 12 and drop the winny for him

[Coop77]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think letro isn't really the best AI to use during cycle. It can bring estradiol levels too low, which can cause cholesterol and other problems.
Also, I would suggest using Nolvadex in your PCT.

[Coop77]

By the way, the whole point of using Aromasin (instead of the cheaper Arimidex) in PCT is because aromasin serum levels are not reduced by Nolvadex. If you're not going to use nolva I would go with Arimidex and save some $

[athlete20]

Someone correct me if I'm wrong, but I think letro isn't really the best AI to use during cycle. It can bring estradiol levels too low, which can cause cholesterol and other problems.
Also, I would suggest using Nolvadex in your PCT.

The reason I chose to run Letro during my cycle is for estrogen protection to prevent estrogen related sides (gyno and bloating). Right now I'm actually considering dropping it and just keeping it on hand for any gyno, while running Arimidex instead during cycle, but i have not a decision yet.

Well, if I were to run Nolva, then I'll have to run Clomid as well since Nolva is not enough on it's own. But on the other hand, a Torm/Aromsain combo is overall better for PCT.

[athlete20]

By the way, the whole point of using Aromasin (instead of the cheaper Arimidex) in PCT is because aromasin serum levels are not reduced by Nolvadex. If you're not going to use nolva I would go with Arimidex and save some $

Aromasin is more adequate for PCT than is Arimidex.

[Blooddraine]

if his main goal is to stay lean and gain strength why not halo??

[athlete20]

if his main goal is to stay lean and gain strength why not halo??

Because Winny is cheap and has more bang for the buck, and Halo is stupidly expensive.

[THEjuiceISloose73]

var???? instead of winny

[THEjuiceISloose73]

var???? instead of winny

[odix]

on cycle, amiridex, off cycle, nolva+aromasin

[perfectbeast2001]

like the cycle and pct. I would leave the letro out during cycle unless you need it. I have stopped using nolva for PCT and I would suggest you all do too. Recent studies have found it to be innefective, carcinogenic and just plain dangerous!! taromifene looks like the way to go for SERMS.

[athlete20]

like the cycle and pct. I would leave the letro out during cycle unless you need it. I have stopped using nolva for PCT and I would suggest you all do too. Recent studies have found it to be innefective, carcinogenic and just plain dangerous!! taromifene looks like the way to go for SERMS.

thanks. so arimidex would be the way to go during cycle to keep estrogen levels low?

[Blooddraine]

yeah arimidex is best option during cycle

[JaCKeDuPD]

well, he wants to take the winny too because he wants to stay as lean (harden) as possible while increasing strength as well. wouldn't 500mg/wk of test be too much for his size?

hmmmm i always had a good body started wrestling when i was 11 ... *cutting weight* between my parents being short me cutting wieght and lifting, i am now 5'4 i hate it but their aint no button i can push on my ass to sprout a foot. Anyways i was like 148 solid verly little body fat... im on 500mg of test cyp and 600 eq and gonna reup on those to make it a 10-12 week cycle to cut it with some clens.... 500 mg of test too much for his size... no am i not all there ... yes tell ur boy let the juice loose hell be fine

[athlete20]

yeah arimidex is best option during cycle

what would be an adequate amount to run arimidex at to keep estrogen levels safely low?

thanks.

[athlete20]

^^^
was thinking about .5mg/ed?

[athlete20]

what would be an adequate amount to run arimidex at to keep estrogen levels safely low?

thanks.

^^^
was thinking about .5mg/ed?

bump....

can Arimidex (AI) be frontloaded @ 1mg/ed for the first week to obtain a higher blood plasma level sooner?

thanks.

[athlete20]

bump....

can Arimidex (AI) be frontloaded @ 1mg/ed for the first week to obtain a higher blood plasma level sooner?

thanks.

nvm guys, I received a response to my question already.

[muscle_20]

midget!!! at 5ft8 wtf thats my height lol!