Am I ready for the first cycle ?

[palqkat]

I'm 21 years old,I have been training for about 4 years till now, I started like very skinny guy.
178 sm height and 62kg (137 lbs), now I'm 181 and 85 kg (188 lbs), so 23kg (51 lbs) for 4 years absolutely naturaly,only with suplements like creatine and whey.

I'm going to start my first cycle soon,but first I want to hear you opinions about my body and have I the base required for first steroid cycle? It' was impossible last year to put quality muscle on me,when I bulk I put some mass but when I cut,I lost every hard gained muscle. And by the way,can you tell me the % of my bodyfat ,thanks



sorry for the bad quality, pic are taken with a mobile phone

[BullDogg20]

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[StoneGRMI]

I think you still have more potential naturally at this time to be honest.

[Big]

I'd guess your bf to be at around 17%, maybe a little less. I too think you could make further gains by refining your diet and training a bit more. You have made very impressive gains, but the more you make the harder they are to come by, that's where diet gets critical. Many people think a proper diet is eating healthy, but it's way more than that. Read up in the diet forum there is plenty of great info there. If you decide to go with aas good luck and keep us posted, lots of great helpful folks here.

[canky]

na you look pretty tight man.

think real hard if ur training and diet is tight.... if it honestly is..... it might be time..... you dont look very newbie to me. it makes a big differnce and theres no going back so do you research real real good before you start.

[TbolzNdbols]

I'd guess your bf to be at around 17%, maybe a little less. .

I would say hes around 14-15%. No way 17 would cross my mind

[dano_85]

you look good man but like other people will say that choice is up to you .

[palqkat]

Thanks guys,I appreciated you comments and your advices.So,yes I know that I have more potencial naturaly maybe 10 lbs lean muscle mass,but It will take 1 year or more for that,I don't mind just an year I tell you one year very very hard work,sleep,diet,training then some cut out with a lot of muscle loss of course.When I started my arms where 27 sm , now they are 40sm,so it's very very hard to put some lean muscle on them,tomorow I'll post some pictures before I started,you will be amazed.

Why I think about AAS?

1.I miss first 3 year when I was growing every day,people told me so many good things and etc you know,asked me what I was eating,they thought i was jucing btw.Lately they asked me if i was working out becouse I stop growing.It sux.

2.My friends.They took a lot of AAS,they eat 3 times per day,don't sleep BUT they look much better than me,me who eat 7-8 meals,over 250gr protein per day,450gr carbs (when I bump the carbs I become fat ass) only clean foods,complex carbs and etc.They don't know a shit about dieting and training and they are bigger and ripped like the hell,this is killing me

3.I can't wait 1 or 2 years more,just can't wait anymore.I want next summer to be with 16.5 inches guns and 200 lbs with 6-7% BF, and I know that I can do it with 2 cycles for newbies,one mass builder and one for cutting

so thanks one more time for your posts,hope to see more

[palqkat]

My mass building diet look like:

1.30gr whey
120gr oats
5 egg whites
1 banana

2.120gr oats 200gr chiken breast,some vegs

3.120gr oats 1 can of tuna (160gr lean tuna filles)

4.pre work out: 20 gr whey

5.After work out: 40gr whey 2 bananas 30gr dextrose

6. same as number 2

7. same as number 3

8.Milk-egg protein or caseine 40gr

[Lexed]

if you could drop your bodyfat 2 more % I think you should be good

[sorel_C]

Just by reading the title,, i would say..NO, but in all honesty you've made some good gains this far

[number twelve]

there is a sticky somewhere on this board, that gives you questions you can ask yourself whether your ready or not.
i would say wait.

[Titleist]

there is a sticky somewhere on this board, that gives you questions you can ask yourself whether your ready or not.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=278759

^^There's the thread.

If you have to ask yourself, you may not be ready. I would suggest utilitzing the various sticky's/important/educational threads to learn all you can for the next few months. Start threads asking educated questions and post your diet up, with macros, in the diet forum for critiquing. Once you have researched extensively and your diet and training are spot on, the choice is yours.

[BigMatt]

2.My friends.They took a lot of AAS,they eat 3 times per day,don't sleep BUT they look much better than me,me who eat 7-8 meals,over 250gr protein per day,450gr carbs (when I bump the carbs I become fat ass) only clean foods,complex carbs and etc.They don't know a shit about dieting and training and they are bigger and ripped like the hell,this is killing me

Haha i know what your talking bout man...

Im natural too. Not for long haha my friends are like this, they dont give a **** about diet nutrition and crap, they eat at mcdonalds 1 time per day.. they juice their ass off and are hell alot better than me.They dont train that good too. They go to clubs and get drunk and shit...

I will do gear eventually, but people that tell that gear doesnt make a Difference or a BIG difference can stick their finger in their eyes.
GEAR MAKE HUGE DIFFERENCE,trust me i seing it from my own eyes.

You look good and you seem like a intelligent guy so its your decision if you wanna go for it.

[palqkat]

Here some pictures before BB to change my life

sorry for the quality and stuff but I have only these two

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

lookin' good..although your BF is a little on the high side i would say...but an amazing progress from your skinny pics thats for sure. At 21, you easily have 3-4 more years to progress naturally (I myself started gear at 25) so you should really focus on maxing out your natural potential before jumping on gear.

[Shiftt101]

You came a long way man, looking good now. It is up to you and only if you think your ready or not.

[doolo]

I agree with the 14% BF. I caliper people all the time and that looks about 14% to me.

[5ifthCitizen]

agree, 14% i would say drop down to 11-12% while trying to maintain the same weight with leaner mass and then its up to u

[palqkat]

Thanks guys for help me to make my decision, I'll stay away from AAS at least one more year,will try until next summer to maintain the same weight but on around 8%, I'll try to maximize my training and my diet for sure ,will spend some more money on supplements and etc.I'll keep you posted how my natural progress is going for me. Now I'm going to cut to 8-9% BF and next I'll have long and hard bulk up winter.
Talk to you soon

[muscle_20]

I would gain more weight your not fat i can see abbs!
85kg is too little for some one as tall as you get up to 100kg then diet down until your lean then start IMO.

[big_dubya33]

Here some pictures before BB to change my life

sorry for the quality and stuff but I have only these two

great work. I had a similar tranformation from a very little dude.

I'd wait before using the gear but it's your choice. just don't get carried away by what your friends are doing -use this board. I had TERRIBLE advice from guys at the gym and a source before doing some research here. learned how to do things correctly.

good luck!

W

[Misery13]

if you were able to pack on 51lbs of quality muscle naturally in 3-4 years I'd keep plugging away with what your doing...keep researching and obtaining knowledge on AAS and when your about 25 years old and have peaked naturally I'd say go for it but start low.

[GGallin]

I say go for it

[maxiimus]

got some great foundations man, looking god, well done on the effort,

as for cycle well, i guess at the end of the day its really ur decision, from the pics though i would personally say that ur right to go

awesome work bro keep it up

[thetank]

regardless of what you decide, youve done well naturally bro. props
peace
tank

[SnaX]

I have to say that you look good natural. I think you have done better progress than a lot of people who DO run a cycle.

My two cents is to just lean up, and you'll look amazing bro! No Joke!

I'm happy to say you've done well in the last 4 years

You can lean up a bit if you want
And then some time in the future, you should be alright okay to run a cycle

You still have potential to grow right now.

[Andorious]

you've done a good job putting on weight. not all of it quality but that happens to most as you just get started, still learning how your body reacts and such. your story reminds me of myself so i sympathize with you when you see people going past you w/ putting in half the work. but you should really be doing this for you, I dont get the impression your lookin to compete so no need to compare yourself to others. its up to you tho for the cycle.
as a critique i'd say your lats are lagging by the front double bi shot, unless its just poor posing. do you have any legs shots?

[Sir Lifts-a-lot]

The decesion is up to you but I think you have already made your mind up and are just looking for validation from others. Gotta tell ya that we, for the most part, do not push anyone, or tell anyone to go to the dark side, but if you do then we are behind you 110%.

[therecanonlybe1]

only you can decide in the end to crossover to the darkside

[palqkat]

I would gain more weight your not fat i can see abbs!
85kg is too little for some one as tall as you get up to 100kg then diet down until your lean then start IMO.

sure but without ass will take few years to hit 100kg and will not be quality muscle,a lot of fat and the when I diet down I'll lose a lot of hard gained muscle so is it worth all the time,money for suplements and etc just to put 10 lbs lean muscle for 2-3 years, I can do it with ass for 2-3 months

great work. I had a similar tranformation from a very little dude.

I'd wait before using the gear but it's your choice. just don't get carried away by what your friends are doing -use this board. I had TERRIBLE advice from guys at the gym and a source before doing some research here. learned how to do things correctly.

good luck!

W

thanks man,Yes i know,I don't take advices from guys at the gym,I search everything in the net,read books etc and then I try it on me

if you were able to pack on 51lbs of quality muscle naturally in 3-4 years I'd keep plugging away with what your doing...keep researching and obtaining knowledge on AAS and when your about 25 years old and have peaked naturally I'd say go for it but start low.

you are maybe right,but is it worth the time ? At 25 i can compete if I want and I'll look amazing with aas,without aas - hyh some kind of "beach-body" maybe

got some great foundations man, looking god, well done on the effort,

as for cycle well, i guess at the end of the day its really ur decision, from the pics though i would personally say that ur right to go

awesome work bro keep it up

thnaks man,all the best , train hard eat hard and get BIG

regardless of what you decide, youve done well naturally bro. props
peace
tank

thanks,just dream for the time when I'll have such big arms as yours,great job !

I have to say that you look good natural. I think you have done better progress than a lot of people who DO run a cycle.

My two cents is to just lean up, and you'll look amazing bro! No Joke!

I'm happy to say you've done well in the last 4 years

You can lean up a bit if you want
And then some time in the future, you should be alright okay to run a cycle

You still have potential to grow right now.

I really appreciate post like this,thank you,and yes I have more potencial to grow naturaly, just can't wait anymore, i want to be big and ripped after 2-3 years. Take care man

I dont get the impression your lookin to compete so no need to compare yourself to others. its up to you tho for the cycle.
as a critique i'd say your lats are lagging by the front double bi shot, unless its just poor posing. do you have any legs shots?

I just want to be the best,to be the bigest and the rippest in the world,I know it's imposible, but what about to be the biggest and rippest in my city ?
About the front double bi shot is really a poor posing,I'll make some new pictures these days,as well as some legs shots

The decesion is up to you but I think you have already made your mind up and are just looking for validation from others. Gotta tell ya that we, for the most part, do not push anyone, or tell anyone to go to the dark side, but if you do then we are behind you 110%.

hehe you hit it right in the head, yes thats exactly what I'm doing, thnaks for the support

only you can decide in the end to crossover to the darkside

It's true, can you tell me which is the road to biggest and rippest ?

[MFT81]

You need to start priortizing Back, Tris, Legs.

[palqkat]

Here some update by me guys, I'm on my 8th week of my 10 week cutting cycle with clen and ECA stack. Steroid free for now and i'm going to start my first AAS cycle after 3 weeks. I think I'm in better shape now to go into darkside. Great forum, i have learn a lot of things about AAS by u guys, keep up the good work

by the way what %BF do u think I'm ? Thanks

[swing lo]

Wow that's a great change brotha but IMO you look lean but small now. I would have said to keep bulking and then cut If i knew you were going to turn out like that. What do your legs look like? What's your weight at now?

[hunkunderconstruct]

Good cuttin results

[StoneGRMI]

You lost a decent amount of muscle on the cut but you still did a damn good job! Good luck!