Worried !!!!

[Litltn187]

Hey guys, I am relatively new to this website, so please bear with me. I recently took the first shot in a 10 week sust cycle. Put it into my delt after a nice hot shower, massaged the site after injection, woke up the next morning and my shoulder muscle was red and sore as hell ( I did use a 1 inch pin b/c I didnt have any 5/8 inch @ the time, but last cycle was all delt shots with a one incher and I dont recall the shoulder ever being THIS swollen or painful. It has been 3 days and I am due for my second shot today. My questions are, 1.) Should I panic about my shoulder and go to the doctor??, 2.) Am I over exaggerating what might be just regular soreness after the 1st shot ?? 3.) What do I tell the doc, If I have to go to him? and lastly some people are telling me to take the shot im scheduled to take today in the oother arm, but shouldn't I wait to see whats up with my other arm first?

Please dont flame me, I am really nervous..... and just looking for EXPERT advice.
Thank you all in advance

[(1*)]

i'm no expert but it sounds like you have an infection.. the 1 inch is fine for delts... redness shouldn't come about unless there is some sort of infection... at least that's how i understand it.. do you have a fever?? as far as what to do next i'll bump to the next.. never had an infection.. i would think you could go ahead with the cycle though......

[Litltn187]

No fever, but shoulder is slightly warm to the touch, which is what lead me to think it was an infection, but i dunno how it could've gotten infected, i thought i did everything right, alcohol wiped the area pre injection, injected slowly, massaged post injection. The only thing that i did wrong was i went back a little far (which might explain the extreme soreness)

If it is infection what should I do??? ibuprofen it till it goes away?

[Markosterone]

wait it out, I dont think its an infection...

a friend of mine did a delt shot and got sore and red all over and even on his upper arm...
it was hit first time doing delts, but it was fine after a couple of days.

wait about a week, it should get better in a couple of days, it it gets worse then go see the doc.

[Litltn187]

so you think i should proceed with my cycle and give the 2nd shot in my opposite delt today?

[solidA]

it happens
for me it usually goes away in 4 days

what mite have happened is that as u were injecting u were letting the needle move inside left-right

[CYP400]

no infection, it is just the sust, next time do it in your butt

[BITTAPART2]

yeah bro sustanon is pretty rough on you the first few times, a lot of peoples first cycles are with sust IDK why really it can be a bit weird w/ its half lives/active lives IMO ED smaller volume is good to go w/ sust for this reason. It does hurt most people, a doctor would probably giv e you antibiotics to be safe but you still may not have an infection. If you are scared to tell the doc just tell him you took a b-12 shot or something.

[SMAN12b]

Is this your first time with Sust?

Sust has prop in it and that can be very painful to some.

Take your next shot..it will probably be sore the next few days as well

[longhorn814]

I would suggest rotating injection sites too..if you only inject into your delts, you will build up scar tissue making it more difficult and painful to inject there...sust has prop in it and is known to hurt..i dont think you have an infection..just take some advil and man up!!

[(1*)]

like i said.... i'm no expert.. lol
i didn't know sust was that harsh, never used it.

[domeyeahaigh]

umm just got over something like that, call the doctor and say you need some antibiotics, may not even have to go in they gave me clindamyacin my shoulders hurt and hard lumps that seemed to get bigger and bigger and really hot and red..but not sticking out it was underneath skin..if this is what you have don't worry mate, just get some antibiotics and plenty of rest, dont massage it! dont squeeze it or anything like that just leave it alone you will be fine.. note i am no longer shooting in my delt but stickin to glute, hip, quad and cep shots..

[paulzane]

I think it is just the Sust .... It is a cu*t of an injection and the pain from it has woken me up at night before. I can't imagine injecting it in my delt!!!! It looks like you are injecting every third day. I would inject 1/2 the amount day one, 1/2 day two, day three off. Use the bigger muscles like thigh and ass. Heat the sust first, take a few minutes to inject and massage afterwards.

Good Luck!

[SilverToungedDevil]

unless the redness starts to move up your arm toward you torso and you start to develop a fever. it should be ok. sust is a pretty narly compound so just wait it out a bit... if it gets progressive, or any of the other sign start happening then go get some antibiotics

[Litltn187]

Thanks for all the great advice guys !! I TRULY APPRECIATE IT, i have never had such a harsh reaction to sust. before. And i think that Christopher Allen hid the nail right on the head, b/c as I was feeling the swelling in my delt, i felt a "tough spot" almost like a knot but it was under the skin. Think im gonna wait til Monday and see what happens then try the doc for some antibiotics. Still dont understand how i got the infection. Could it be that im allergic to the gear?? i mean the sust I had last time was **, and this time its IP, also these are 1.5 cc's that im injecting this time around....
anyway at least i can breathe a little bit easier now, thanks everybody and btw is heating it up safe?? whats the best way to do so ?

[domeyeahaigh]

when i got that on both arms last week i did hit up the gear both times, since then i have stopped just out of superstitious reasons i do not think that was it, probably just poor technique, was your shot more toward your tricep or more toward your trap? mine was more towards my tricep..

[Litltn187]

yeha mine was definitely more toward the tri too, it sucks though b/c all I have ever done was delt shots, and im supposed to take the 2nd shot today so now i dunno what to do, im def. gonna start using my glutes but i dont wanna take it in my glute then have the same thing happen and have 2 infections ya know

[dupa95]

Please keep us posted on the out come and hang in there bro.

[domeyeahaigh]

try quad...very easy to reach huge muscle etc etc...also hip is supposed to be better than glute..

[domeyeahaigh]

err not better but safer, no major nerves or anything like that

[BuffDJ]

First of all don't massage your injection. It will spread it into the subq and cause some discomfort.
Massaging an oil reservoir inside a muscle is going to do nothing. The oil is made to form a reservoir. That reservoir is what keeps the steady flow of hormone into your body and increases the duration - keeping it in depot. Massaging the area, especially firmly, is just going to push the oil around and/or stretch or tear fibers and create scar tissue. Heat will get more blood to the area (which is what massaging does) but heat doesn't put any physical pressure on the reservoir of oil (which is bad).

Buff

[timtim]

First of all don't massage your injection. It will spread it into the subq and cause some discomfort.
Massaging an oil reservoir inside a muscle is going to do nothing. The oil is made to form a reservoir. That reservoir is what keeps the steady flow of hormone into your body and increases the duration - keeping it in depot. Massaging the area, especially firmly, is just going to push the oil around and/or stretch or tear fibers and create scar tissue. Heat will get more blood to the area (which is what massaging does) but heat doesn't put any physical pressure on the reservoir of oil (which is bad).

Buff

http://www.breastcancerprofessional....nc/nursing.pdf

this link on procedures for nurses to do when doing im injections says the exact opposite.

to the poster, 2 shots ago i guess the injection went alittle bad and i didnt massage the area because i was in a rush out the house, i could barely walk for a week. now 9 days later its better but the first 5 days were terrible. just to give you an idea.

[Litltn187]

Decided to stay on schedule and took my 2nd shot of the cycle last nite. went in to the right glute with it, nice and slow, and massaged it afterwards (obviously didnt think massaging it was bad for it) woke up this morning and its a little sore but nowhere near as bad as the delt. Still kind of early to tell if I am going to get the hard lump in my glute like i did in my delt( Which is still red as hell and not so much sore anymore I just feel that hard spot underneath my skin and the delt is very tight at the injection site). I was wondering if maybe i screwed up during aspiration before injection like maybe i didnt aspirate enough ??? I dunno all I know is I wish my shots were as easy to inject and care for as my last cycle(30 shots over 15 weeks no probs at all). If i get the same problem in my glute im prob gonna stop using this gear and pick up something elsewhere...I guess

[Litltn187]

timtim was it sust that u were injecting??

[timtim]

timtim was it sust that u were injecting??

yes, sus enanthate combo

[Litltn187]

alright so maybe ill wait a little bit longer before i go to the doc, i just started getting leary when it hurt 5 days later b/c like I said my first cycle had some "dragon" sust in it and I never once had a problem....

[longhorn814]

ive had some shots of prop that have literally crippled me for 5-7 days...

[Litltn187]

straight prop shots are CRAZY!!, but i mean who really cares as long as the gains are there right?? I am hoping to get this whole situation resolved as quickly as possible but if worse comes to worse and it turns out, I am allergic to this particular brand of sust, i guess I will just have to stick to my "a-bombs" and do oral only which sucks..... my source is on vaca. for like a month and i dont really wanna use my cc to order from a website...... thats only a worst case scenario though

[longhorn814]

im taking straight prop shots now ed and they are completely painless...find a good source and you can find pain free gear!!

[domeyeahaigh]

straight prop shots are CRAZY!!, but i mean who really cares as long as the gains are there right?? I am hoping to get this whole situation resolved as quickly as possible but if worse comes to worse and it turns out, I am allergic to this particular brand of sust, i guess I will just have to stick to my "a-bombs" and do oral only which sucks..... my source is on vaca. for like a month and i dont really wanna use my cc to order from a website...... thats only a worst case scenario though

i dont know man if you cant be mobile because you are too sore or in too much pain..cant lift...sucks that way man

[54yobb]

Sounds like you may have an infection. Be careful....it's a deep infection and needs to be taken care of immediately...otherwise you may need surgical drainage. Antibiotics IMMEDIATELY.

[timtim]

Sounds like you may have an infection. Be careful....it's a deep infection and needs to be taken care of immediately...otherwise you may need surgical drainage. Antibiotics IMMEDIATELY.

cant say that without seeing his injection area. like i told him, my recent injection felt like i got shot in the hip, was swollen and extremely painful. it wasnt red and i did not have a fever. sometimes you clip a nerve or move when injecting. i would say if its getting worse, than get to the ER but if things are the same or slightly improved, it could very well just be a bad injection.

[timtim]

alright so maybe ill wait a little bit longer before i go to the doc, i just started getting leary when it hurt 5 days later b/c like I said my first cycle had some "dragon" sust in it and I never once had a problem....

does it seem to be improving at all? is it getting worse? these are questions you need to be honest with yourself about or you could become very sick. i almost went to the hospital this past time (and i have done hundreds of injections through my life). by day 3 it was terrible but it seemed to be confined to the area, not spreading, and not red. if by day 5 (and i was still in mad pain by day 5) its getting worse, get to the ER and say you got bit by a spider. never admit to using gear or risk never getting life insurance again.

[Litltn187]

It seems to be improving very slightly, it is definitely not getting worse. The redness is defiitely confined to the back of my shoulder and it feels like that hard spot I felt under my skin is not growing at all, or moving to diff. spots, and no fever either. The skin isnt too hot to the touch anymore, but it is definitely sore and the tough spot under the skin is still recognizeable.

longhorn, I am definitely going to try and find a new source... not too easy im afraid however, im just a rookie in this game

Christopherallen, that is my biggest problem, I love going to the gym and lifting and if I hurt too much to work out its a massive disappointment....

[Litltn187]

timtim you think the spider story would be alright? or would I be better off saying i got a b12 shot??......should I just play dumb and keep hitting them with "I Dunno I just Woke up and it was like this" lol i have no idea what to tell them

[timtim]

timtim you think the spider story would be alright? or would I be better off saying i got a b12 shot??......should I just play dumb and keep hitting them with "I Dunno I just Woke up and it was like this" lol i have no idea what to tell them

you could try the b12. spider bites are notorious for the symptoms you have. not sure if b12 would react like that.

[BuffDJ]

http://www.breastcancerprofessional....nc/nursing.pdf

this link on procedures for nurses to do when doing im injections says the exact opposite.

to the poster, 2 shots ago i guess the injection went alittle bad and i didnt massage the area because i was in a rush out the house, i could barely walk for a week. now 9 days later its better but the first 5 days were terrible. just to give you an idea.

I teach nursing school and we teach to place pressure to prevent bleeding but also nurses that give IM injections are giving water based meds 99% of the time also.
Buff

[Adrenalin]

Step by Step Guide to Injecting from Vials and amps:

Materials needed :
Syringe of appropriate size, needle of required size, vial with required drug or solution, anti-septic hand wash agent, cotton wool buds and alcohol.

If you are injecting from amps please replace steps 2-7 with the following steps:

1.Remove the liquid from the neck of the ampoule by flicking it or swinging it fast in a downward spiraling movement.
2. File around the neck of the ampoule.
3. Protect your fingers with gauze if ampoule is made of glass.
4. Carefully break off the top of the ampoule (for a plastic ampoule twist the top).

And continue from step 8, below.

1. Wash your hands with an anti-septic hand washing agent.
2. Using cotton wool and alcohol, disinfect the top of the vial by rubbing a decent amount of alcohol onto the site and surrounding areas where you intend to insert the needle.
3. After placing the needle onto the syringe and removing the plastic cover, (be careful not to touch the needle in the process). Draw the needle up with air to the same amount that you wish to draw up and administer. So for example, if you are injecting 1ml of Nandrolone Decanoate, you should pull the plunger out to the 1ml mark before inserting the needle into the vial. This will make drawing the steroid into the needle a lot easier.
4. With the vial upright, insert the needle into the top membrane and then proceed to turn the vial upside down.
5. Pump air into the empty space in the vial (thus creating air pressure).
6. Pull the needle back so that it is covered by the contents of the vial and slowly withdraw the correct amount into the syringe.
7. Withdraw the needle from the vial.
8. Hold the syringe upright (with the needle facing upwards) and tap the side of the needle until all air bubbles have gone.
9. Remove the needle and replace with a new one. Push enough of the liquid into the needle to eliminate any air pockets. This ensures that the needle has not been blunted from placing into the vial.
10. Slowly insert the needle into the injection point at a ninety degree angle. Push the needle in, leaving about 2mm of needle between the skin the syringe in case the needle breaks.
11. When you have inserted the needle to the correct point, try to draw back the syringe, if you see blood going into the syringe then that means you have hit a vein and you should not inject. Should this happen you should pull out the needle and try again in a different spot. If no blood passes into the needle you are fine to go ahead and start injecting.
12. Slowly push the plunger until all of the solution has been administered.
13. Pull out the needle (quickly), replace the cap and dispose of properly.
14. Wipe the injection point with alcohol and massage to spread the product around to minimize soreness.

[timtim]

I teach nursing school and we teach to place pressure to prevent bleeding but also nurses that give IM injections are giving water based meds 99% of the time also.
Buff

that makes sense.

[Litltn187]

wait im confused now, so should i massage after the shots or not??