HCG Question

[reddragon4954]

I have found that running longer cycles gives me much better gains. If I were to use HCG throughout the entire cycle would this keep my testes from completely shutting down? Therefore; I can run long cycles w/o fear of becoming permanently shutdown?

[Merc..]

I have found that running longer cycles gives me much better gains. If I were to use HCG throughout the entire cycle would this keep my testes from completely shutting down? Therefore; I can run long cycles w/o fear of becoming permanently shutdown?

While your on cycle you will be shut down !!! Hcg does seem to help aid in quicker recovery when used during a cycle....

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

Hcg doesnt directly restore the HPTA axis, it just temporarily restores size to your testes and it is suppressive in itself. Hence, using it throughout your cycle would just exacerbate the shutdown of natural test production. So I wouldn't recommend it.... I like long cycles too and only use HCG for 2-3 weeks in the middle of the cycle to shock my boys back only IF i find I am severely shutdown (by then, its not as if HCG is gonna shut you down even more anyways) AND I use it right before PCT so the restored size is immediately followed by clomid to trigger natural LH production.

[Merc..]

Hcg doesnt directly restore the HPTA axis, it just temporarily restores size to your testes and it is suppressive in itself. Hence, using it throughout your cycle would just exacerbate the shutdown of natural test production. So I wouldn't recommend it.... I like long cycles too and only use HCG for 2-3 weeks in the middle of the cycle to shock my boys back only IF i find I am severely shutdown (by then, its not as if HCG is gonna shut you down even more anyways) AND I use it right before PCT so the restored size is immediately followed by clomid to trigger natural LH production.

You are corect about Hcg's suppressive nature but keep in mind when using hcg with nolva it helps to stop its suppressive nature. If you look up desensitize and leydig on pubmed you will see desensitization is not caused by PKC and is probably caused by hcg's effect on 17 - OHP .... This is also why Hooker uses Hcg and nolva ( plus aromasin) in his pct protocol ....

[reddragon4954]

So, how can I go on long cycles w/o fear of becoming permanetly sterile?

[yahya1966]

remember, with hcg less is more. i agree with insane, 2-3 weeks during the middle of the cycle will help keep keep your boys going. on a side note, it will also help with any libido or ed issues caused by 19-nors.

[mesoman]

good post guys i have always had better reponse to long cycles so good to know there are others out there who need to lengthen their cycles. I used HCG at end of a 16 weeker and boys came back on line atfer 4 weeks no worries

[S431M7]

So, how can I go on long cycles w/o fear of becoming permanetly sterile?

If I was u, I will use caber or bromo in addition to 10-20mg of nolva ed while still on cycle. This is just to make sure your test and estrogen level stays the same or balance. When one of this hormone exceed the other, the result is unwanted side effect which u don't want to. So to avoid that when u reached your lask week cycle injection, then u can incorporate HCG with nolva nonstop into your pct for 2-4 wks. I have done before and my sex drive was uninterrupted and great.