Deca only cycles a good idea? YES

[MagicMan99]

Deca only cycles a good idea

People always bitch about the no test thing for noobs but deca alone Is fine for beginners.

its one of the most tolerated steroids by the liver and body, doctors prescribe it to alcoholics with liver disease, its not uncommon for aids patients to run it at 600mg a week.

aromitization to estrogen is not a problem as we no it doesn’t convert to estrogen.

Test is a harsh compound for the steroid novice to start with, also there may be some heavy side effects especially with things like tren, and enanthate.

The build up of deca is perfect for the beginner as its slow and even and you will not gain a huge amount to quickly.

The muscle you gain from deca is quality achieved through hypertrophy and the higher metabolization of protein rather that water weight.

I keep hearing about deca dick but iv never experienced it and nor has a lot of people I no, all I no is I love deca only cycles For quality safe gains with no worries .

[RA]

How is your recovery in pct?

btw, many many people do experience deca dick. Hit the search button and youll find a ton.

[testisbest]

I'm still trying to find somebody I know personally that has gotten deca dick. I have close to a dozen friends in my hometown that come to me and in the past I've tried to get them to buy some test with their deca. Nobody would simply because they think test is a poor mans steroid and that it will give them all these side effects but have no idea about hormones. With that said all of them take deca alone with dbol or winny and none have come to me about losing their sex drive or impotence. I know that it is possible but I just haven't seen it first hand. Would I ever run a cycle of any compound without test? Hell no.

[MagicMan99]

How is your recovery in pct?

btw, many many people do experience deca dick. Hit the search button and youll find a ton.

Post cycle treatment has been good one of my favourite things about deca only.....easy pct

and there are many people that do not experience deca dick

[RA]

Post cycle treatment has been good one of my favourite things about deca only.....easy pct

and there are many people that do not experience deca dick

You said that already. Im pointing out many people do.

One thing most people agree on is that deca doesnt provide an easy pct. Thats why I asked.

[testisbest]

You said that already. Im pointing out many people do.

One thing most people agree on is that deca doesnt provide an easy pct. Thats why I asked.

This I have seen first hand and experienced myself.

[PEWN]

sorry about your luck test... hopefully you got that under control...

[vitor]

aromitization to estrogen is not a problem as we no it doesn’t convert to estrogen.

You are wrong!

Deca does convert to estrogen: This happens thrue hydroxylation by one of the cytochrome p450 enzymes, followed by an elmination reaction.

An aromatase inhibitor will not inhibit aromatazion with Deca either...

[madwabbit]

wait wait, deca cant be used alone? whats an example of a stack w/ deca?

[testisbest]

sorry about your luck test... hopefully you got that under control...

Thanks bro, trying to work throught it as we speak.

[stocky121]

i know personaly people who can run deca no problem and not experiance any libido problems i also know people including myself that do get problems with deca only cycles and believe me it's not nice at all

[PEWN]

oh damn ... what were you on....?

i know tren will shut you down hard...

[PEWN]

i have never attempted to run deca alone.... always had test with it ....

[lightwaytbaby]

sorry bro, me likes my weiner...why not run it with test? is this your first cycle?

[Kratos]

Deca only cycles a good idea

People always bitch about the no test thing for noobs but deca alone Is fine for beginners. It can be fine and it can really suck too

its one of the most tolerated steroids by the liver and body, doctors prescribe it to alcoholics with liver disease, its not uncommon for aids patients to run it at 600mg a week. It is no better tolerated than testosterone so what is the drawback of not including some test

aromitization to estrogen is not a problem as we no it doesn’t convert to estrogen. people get gyno from prolactin too, and deca will give you a good dose of prolactin

Test is a harsh compound for the steroid novice to start with, also there may be some heavy side effects especially with things like tren, and enanthate. Harsh, nah not if you don't go overboard with the dosage. How harsh is an hrt dose going to be?

The build up of deca is perfect for the beginner as its slow and even and you will not gain a huge amount to quickly. What?

The muscle you gain from deca is quality achieved through hypertrophy and the higher metabolization of protein rather that water weight. Very non-scientific statement although trying to sound so.

I keep hearing about deca dick but iv never experienced it and nor has a lot of people I no, all I no is I love deca only cycles For quality safe gains with no worries . Great if it works for you but why advocate using something that may or may not render their penis flacid for weeks to come?

No advantage to deca only over running at least HRT dose of test. Leave the deca only cycles alone if you are a newbie reading this. I can tell you from experience having no test in your system makes you depressed, lethargic, and you could care less about sex/wacking off.

[SMAN12b]

Deca only cycles a good idea

People always bitch about the no test thing for noobs but deca alone Is fine for beginners.

its one of the most tolerated steroids by the liver and body, doctors prescribe it to alcoholics with liver disease, its not uncommon for aids patients to run it at 600mg a week.

aromitization to estrogen is not a problem as we no it doesn’t convert to estrogen.

Test is a harsh compound for the steroid novice to start with, also there may be some heavy side effects especially with things like tren, and enanthate.

The build up of deca is perfect for the beginner as its slow and even and you will not gain a huge amount to quickly.

The muscle you gain from deca is quality achieved through hypertrophy and the higher metabolization of protein rather that water weight.

I keep hearing about deca dick but iv never experienced it and nor has a lot of people I no, all I no is I love deca only cycles For quality safe gains with no worries .

13 posts and you just signed up here??????

NOt saying that you have NO experience, BUT can you give us some of YOUR personal background and cycle history.

Its NOT that any of the more experienced people here DON"T think that deca alone is a bad thing, BUT again, there are SO many people that DO have problems either while on or after coming off that it is SAFER to recommend to newbies at LEAST a replacement dose of Test to AVOID any complications all together rather then risk being one of the ones that get deca dick or have a hard time recovering.....

[Kratos]

You are wrong!

Deca does convert to estrogen: This happens thrue hydroxylation by one of the cytochrome p450 enzymes, followed by an elmination reaction.

An aromatase inhibitor will not inhibit aromatazion with Deca either...

You are thinking too hard. Yes you are correct about the pathway, and all other things equal serum estradiol concentration would go up. The yield is so low though it is more than offset by the suppression of testosterone and subsequent lack of conversion.

[graeme87]

No advantage to deca only over running at least HRT dose of test. Leave the deca only cycles alone if you are a newbie reading this. I can tell you from experience having no test in your system makes you depressed, lethargic, and you could care less about sex/wacking off.

Exactly! some people maybe able to get away with a deca only some can't. Either way why not add say 250mg of Test E with it if you are set on having deca as the bais of your cycle. a hrt dose of test will keep your libedo up and you shouldn't get any sides from it.

I am a big fan of high doses of test but all you need to keep your libedo in check is a hrt dose.

I will be starting a cycle soon with 1g of tren + halo and only a hrt dose of test.

bottom line, test doesn't have to be the bais of your cycle but use at least a hrt does of it to keep your libedo up!

[Dangerdan]

I ran deca only first cycle, 300mg weekly for 8 weeks. I experienced very good gains and minimal side effects. Ended up with a net gain of about 15lbs muscle. No deca dick.

I did have a very hard time recovering even with pct. Just my experience with it.

[Nitz5785]

I have experienced Deca dick personally. (First cycle Deca only) Not fun at all. I would bet it happens more than is said because a lot of guys wouldn't want to admit they had a problem in that area. Just my opinion.

[vitor]

You are thinking too hard. Yes you are correct about the pathway, and all other things equal serum estradiol concentration would go up. The yield is so low though it is more than offset by the suppression of testosterone and subsequent lack of conversion.

Deca only aromataze to roughly 20% of what Testosterone does, so it isnt much...And yeah, on a Deca only cycle, estrogen levels would probaly be lower or equal(depending on dosage ofcourse)than normal b/c natrual testosterone levels would be shut down and woudnt aromataze.

But its wrong to say that Deca doesnt convert to estrogen, b/c it does...

[Twanny]

Sorry for what im sure will seem a question with an obvious answer:

people mention having a "hard time" on post cycle tharapy. what are they referring to exactly? side effects which occur after withdrawing from steroids?

Thanks for your patience with me

[Johny-too-small]

Sorry for what im sure will seem a question with an obvious answer:

people mention having a "hard time" on post cycle tharapy. what are they referring to exactly? side effects which occur after withdrawing from steroids?

Thanks for your patience with me

They are talking about getting their natural test production back on line (HPTA recovery) after being "shutdown" from the use of anabolics.

[taiboxa]

You are thinking too hard. Yes you are correct about the pathway, and all other things equal serum estradiol concentration would go up. The yield is so low though it is more than offset by the suppression of testosterone and subsequent lack of conversion.

still dose dependent.
wat if he is running like 4.5g Deca/wk?!

[Kratos]

still dose dependent.
wat if he is running like 4.5g Deca/wk?!

OK, I'll add assuming human doses, obviously all the rules go out the window at tia doses.

[taiboxa]

OK, I'll add assuming human doses, obviously all the rules go out the window at tia doses.

sorry... i'll go back to the lounge

[Kratos]

LOL i didn't even mean to type tia, stay here please.

[taiboxa]

DAMN YOU PRADA!!!!!! gah..

[kfrost06]

I have experienced Deca dick personally. (First cycle Deca only) Not fun at all. I would bet it happens more than is said because a lot of guys wouldn't want to admit they had a problem in that area. Just my opinion.

Ditto. In addition to the loss of sex drive when I did a deca only cycle I was also very tired all the time. One single dose of Deca will castrate your endogenous testosterone production and no one is immune to that. If your not concerned about a sex drive then a deca only would be something to consider. As for PCT, a recovery would be just as hard for a deca only as it would for deca + other gear.

[taiboxa]

Ditto. In addition to the loss of sex drive when I did a deca only cycle I was also very tired all the time. One single dose of Deca will castrate your endogenous testosterone production and no one is immune to that. If your not concerned about a sex drive then a deca only would be something to consider. As for PCT, a recovery would be just as hard for a deca only as it would for deca + other gear.

yeah i never understood that.. how people can think.. you get shut down differently from different suppressive compounds.. i mean..once ur shut down.. YOUR shut down. its not like it goes into a negative region

[Kratos]

I thought tren only would be a fun experiment as I wasn't getting any at the time anyway. Then when my penis is good and not working opportunity knocks. I felt like walking diherea all day also.

[taiboxa]

I thought tren only would be a fun experiment as I wasn't getting any at the time anyway. Then when my penis is good and not working opportunity knocks. I felt like walking diherea all day also.

yeah tren only.. completely removes my lidibo.. but i kan still get ample wood to poke something.. though its DEFINETLY no where near as pleasureable as say.. throwing in some test and bromo.

[crazyhorse666]

I wouldn't wish deca dick on my worst enemy,well maby but not my second worst enemy. ha ha Its sucks