" Fatigue Toxins " ?

[UberSteroids]

Well, I am not sure how to call it.

When I train sometimes, I get these bad burn as soon as I start lifting, even with lighter weight for the warm up. It almost feels like I had some kind of damn liquid under my skin and inside the muscle that just burns and wont let me exercise.
I tried forcing through it, it just wont work. It is not the good burn, this feels like I am so weak...

I wonder what it is, and how can I keep this from happening?!

Help, this is so frustrating when is happens.

Thanks

-Uber

[kaberle_15]

Lactic acid build up?

[UberSteroids]

Yea, most likely. I cannot think of anything else.

But doesn't our body remove it soon after workout?

Anything that helps getting rid of it ?

[Bradly1234]

shouldn't be a lactic build up, it should only accumulates in the muscles during high intense exercise and is removed bre***y, but the fatigue is cused by inadequate energy supply not the lactic acid.

are you cutting carbs by chance?

[CheddaNips]

definatly shouldnt be lactic acid build-up

[Ronnie Rowland]

Where's the pain located? This sounds like tendonitus!

[Ronnie Rowland]

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[UberSteroids]

No, it is not the tendonitus. Not the injury kind of pain.

Yes I did cut down the carb intake by around 120g/day. It was really high before that.

I did that because I am in de-conditioning stage of the slingshot training.

Anyways, it was not only on spot or muscle group, it was all muscles that were involved in the workout.

For example I was doing standing barbell, only 75 lbs, first set, 5th rep I feelt this burning/weakning feeling in my biceps, shoulders, forearms. It was horrible, I was like what the hell is going on. I did the workout but it was extremely uncomfortable and hurts too.

Only thing I changed is the carb intake. Routine is different as well, and much lower weight.

[Bradly1234]

lower weight and routine should have nothing to do with it. how many cals r u taking in a day compared to your 120g of carbs?

[Ronnie Rowland]

No, it is not the tendonitus. Not the injury kind of pain.

Yes I did cut down the carb intake by around 120g/day. It was really high before that.

I did that because I am in de-conditioning stage of the slingshot training.

Anyways, it was not only on spot or muscle group, it was all muscles that were involved in the workout.

For example I was doing standing barbell, only 75 lbs, first set, 5th rep I feelt this burning/weakning feeling in my biceps, shoulders, forearms. It was horrible, I was like what the hell is going on. I did the workout but it was 1extremely uncomfortable and hurts too.

Only thing I changed is the carb intake. Routine is different as well, and much lower weight.

1) Do you ever experience problems with your neck and/or anterior shoulder?

2) Is this the only area you hurt?

[UberSteroids]

I was saying that I CUT DOWN carb intake BY AROUND 120G. Which is now around 250g/day. It was close to 400s before that.

Guru:

I dont experience problems with my neck. Shoulders, well only left one from time to time, a sharp pain.

I this case, no it is not just this area. When this happens is basically all muscles that get involved with performed exercise.

Is just the same feeling as when you go lower weight for very high reps,just like lactic acid, but occurs almost instantly (around 3rd rep) and even with low intensity sets.

Well, I am not saying it like this all the time, but happens.

I was wondering what could that be.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I was saying that I CUT DOWN carb intake BY AROUND 120G. Which is now around 250g/day. It was close to 400s before that.

Guru:

I dont experience problems with my neck. Shoulders, well only left one from time to time, a sharp pain.

I this case, no it is not just this area. When this happens is basically all muscles that get involved with performed exercise.

Is just the same feeling as when you go lower weight for very high reps,just like lactic acid, but occurs almost instantly (around 3rd rep) and even with low intensity sets.

Well, I am not saying it like this all the time, but happens.

I was wondering what could that be.

I see now.

It sounds to me like 2 things if not low glycogen.

1) It could just be the joints in that area warming up.

2) You need to change the exercises around because the way you have them could be causing irritation. For instance, my triceps have gotten so strong than I can no longer train heavy using tricep extensions before doing tricep pushdowns. I have to start out with pushdowns as my key isolation exercise then use extensions as my secondary isolation movement.

If you are warming up properly I'd drop standard curls and try another exercise to see if the pain resides.

[MuscleScience]

Um, Its lactic acid. if you have low carbs then you have low glycogen levels in the muscles so your muscles dont go into aerobic respirations because what a lot of people forget about it is that you needs carbs to burn fat. if all your intra cellular glycogen is being used up in the first minute of exercise then you have no way of shuttling pyruvate into the krebs cycle to continue into the Electron transport chain. Instead your muscles are converting pyruvate to lactic acid at a faster rate, because your intermediate reducing compound NADH is being used to in the conversion to lactic acid.Normally in conditions where you have enough glucose the muscles would not convert the pyruvate into lactic acid at such a high rate in the presence of oxygen. It would continue into the aerobic pathway.Lactic acid can only be processed in the liver back to pyruvate. Which most of your glycogen is produced in the liver as well. While its true every cell in the body has the potential to convert Lactic acid back to pyruvate accept for red blood cells. the muscles prefer to dump it into the blood stream under extreme conditions because the blood stream will neutralize lactic acid causing it to be called lactate, which is just the absence of a hydrogen Ion. This is a very simple explanation to your question but it will help you to understand that it is more than likely excessive lactic acid production in the muscle cells causing pain.

[Bradly1234]

so in other words, load simple carbs before training and his glycogen levels should be fine for workout time?

and sorry to jack the thread but i have a question thats a little off topic for ya musclescience... does your body provide more gylcogen in trained muscles then untrained muscles after several months of exercise?

[MuscleScience]

so in other words, load simple carbs before training and his glycogen levels should be fine for workout time?

and sorry to jack the thread but i have a question thats a little off topic for ya musclescience... does your body provide more gylcogen in trained muscles then untrained muscles after several months of exercise?

Well yes and know. Your muscles can only hold about 1% of there total weight as stored glycogen as I recall. What a trained muscle has over untrained muscle is the proportion of glucose transport protein in the cell membrane. Specifically glut4. This is increased in trained muscle cells and interestingly is also increased in fat cells if they are exposed to continuous high insulin levels. glut4 is not typically present to a great extent in fat and muscle cells when fasting conditions exist. After the insulin receptors are exposed to insulin they stimulate the cell to translocate the glut4 receptor from the cytosol (inner cell) to the cell membrane. So your muscle cells become more sensitive to insulin and its effects that it elicits in the cells. This is why diabetic benefit greatly from exercise.

The more important glycogen storage is in the liver which can store about 7-8% of hepatocyte mass. Only the liver can release glycogen to be used in other tissues such as muscles. Its important to remember though that your body can only store about 2000 kcals of energy as stored glycogen.

[Ronnie Rowland]

FYI... Muscle Science is correct. It could be low muscle glycogen leveles as well. I would suggest bumping up carb intake.

This is the very reason I say to drop both carbs and fats with about equal meausres during a prime as opposed to dropping only carb calories unless aerobics are utilized!

[Bradly1234]

thanks musclesci, awsome post

[UberSteroids]

Muscle Science, thanks a lot.

It does make sense.

Well, how can I keep my glycogen leves high? In the language I can understand...

[MuscleScience]

Muscle Science, thanks a lot.

It does make sense.

Well, how can I keep my glycogen leves high? In the language I can understand...

All you have to do is eat a healthy proportion of carbs in your diet. Try to avoid things that contain excessive amounts of fructose (soda, syrups, table sugar ect) because fructose is absorbed almost exclusively in fat cells. But if your on here you probably already know what types of sugar saturated foods to eat or not to eat anyway.

Oh and creatine helps alot.

[UberSteroids]

All you have to do is eat a healthy proportion of carbs in your diet. Try to avoid things that contain excessive amounts of fructose (soda, syrups, table sugar ect) because fructose is absorbed almost exclusively in fat cells. But if your on here you probably already know what types of sugar saturated foods to eat or not to eat anyway.

Oh and creatine helps alot.

Yeah, sodas, syrups or table sugar were out for a long time.

Gotta be the carb proportions.

Also, I just started CEE 1000mg 10pills a day.

Appreciate your time MuscleScience!

[MuscleScience]

Yeah, sodas, syrups or table sugar were out for a long time.

Gotta be the carb proportions.

Also, I just started CEE 1000mg 10pills a day.

Appreciate your time MuscleScience!

No problem, any time my man.

[bigdog123]

hmmmm.... i hate lactic acid it sucks hehe