peanut butter WTF???

[lil-SLIM]

I thought peanut butter was good for you shit I ate some tonight with an apple and theres 12g fat and only 8g protien per 2 tbls? and that was the 25 percent less fat kind... does anyone here it this stuff? is it ok?

are reg peanuts outa the shell good for you? I eat em as a snack all the time?

[AandF6969]

Depends on your goals, and the rest of your daily diet. Just because something contains fat doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. But eating it with an apple isn't the best idea, because the fructose in the apple will cause an insulin spike which makes the fat more likely to be stored.

[Ajc330]

i always eat some peanut butter before i go to bed with a can of tuna

[stacked566]

natural peanut butter is decent 10g pro, 12 g fat, 1 g carb...a nice tbsp or two does the trick before bed.

[ottomaddox]

Jiff and Skippy are not natural and are loaded with extra fat and sugar.

[moush]

smart balance PB - has ***** 3's in it...and tastes real good

[WelshWarrior]

I use it as a good source of healthy fats and as a treat. 1 tbsp max every few days.

It aint no miracle food though. Protein is the only thing that builds muscle, period.

[lil-SLIM]

but apple is a good food isnt it? just not with something fatty?

[Prada]

Yeah make sure its natural PB. You want to take for its fat.

[swol_je]

In my grocery store u can get fresh ground natty peanut butter

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

I love natty PB... great source of good fats

[sonnygll]

Fat=bad went out with big hair and parachute pants. Apples are kinda high GI, probably fine for bulking but not for cutting. One school of thought is that the insulin spike will cause the calories in the PB to be more easily stored, fat or otherwise. However another school of thought is that combing the fat in the PB with the apple lowers the glycemic load on the total meal. So the fat might reduce the insulin spike. There is probably some truth to this as we all know you don't eat fat post workout.

[C_Bino]

Depends on your goals, and the rest of your daily diet. Just because something contains fat doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. But eating it with an apple isn't the best idea, because the fructose in the apple will cause an insulin spike which makes the fat more likely to be stored.

Fructose doesnt cause insulin spikes. Fructose oliggosaccharides actually cannot be fully digested by humans and convert to good bacteria for our stomachs.

[AandF6969]

Fructose doesnt cause insulin spikes. Fructose oliggosaccharides actually cannot be fully digested by humans and convert to good bacteria for our stomachs.

"Fructose gives as high blood sugar spike as that obtained with glucose... In a study from The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, "fructose given alone increased the blood glucose almost as much as a similar amount of glucose"

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

[C_Bino]

"Fructose gives as high blood sugar spike as that obtained with glucose... In a study from The American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, "fructose given alone increased the blood glucose almost as much as a similar amount of glucose"

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fructose

Wikepedia wouldnt be my first place to read. I have access to full peer reviewed medical journals while most people on here can only read abstracts. So I read those for info. Wikipedia is a bunch of info that seems to be argued back and forth. In the very link you posted it first says:

Fructose is often recommended for, and consumed by, people with diabetes mellitus or hypoglycemia, because it has a very low glycemic index (GI) relative to cane sugar (sucrose). However, this benefit is tempered by concern that fructose may have an adverse effect on plasma lipid and uric acid levels, and the resulting higher blood levels of fructose can be damaging to proteins (see below). The low GI is due to the unique and lengthy metabolic pathway of fructose, which involves phosphorylation and a multi-step enzymatic process in the liver.

Then after:

Excess fructose consumption has been hypothesized to possibly cause insulin resistance, obesity,[2] elevated LDL cholesterol and triglycerides, leading to metabolic syndrome. However, unlike animal experiments, some human experiments have failed to show a correlation between fructose consumption and obesity

Note it says POSSIBLY

Then it goes on to say:

Fructose gives as high blood sugar spike as that obtained with glucose. In fact, GI only applies to high starch foods. The basic GI definition is chemically incorrect. This is because the body blood glucose response is "standardized" with 50g of glucose, while the GI Researchers use 50g of digestible carbohydrate as a reference quantity

So first no, then possibly, then yes. Not the best source imo.

Im not tryin to be a dick here but I have studied nutrition for a long time in university and fructose simply doesnt cause the blood glucose increase that sucrose does. It leads to significantly higher liver glycogen levels and has the same effect on overall fat storage since it doesnt require insulin to be shuttled into storage cells but it does not directly cause beta cells to be released from the pancreas the way glucose does.

[moush]

wow great info C_Bino...real interesting now i can eat an apple without thinking twice for preworkout carbs

[Slaiv]

C_Bino and AandF... you guys BOTH are my heroes !!!

and SBMAN and Taiboxa..... and ottomodox and insanemembrane too !!!

aahh !! i love you guys all !!!

[hammer514]

Just want to add some info to this topic,

First of all, just because something is high fat, doesn't mean it's bad for you. Fat intake is entirely goal-dependant.

I've personally been able to reach my most lean physique with a regular diet of over 100g of fat/day.

My only fat sources were dietary animal fats, coconut oil, fish oil and olive oil.

Coconut oil scares people who just read the label because it's almost entirely saturatet fat... Beleive it or not, coconut oil will help you lean out big time if the rest of your diet is in check. It also has antibacterial and anti-inflamitory properties and many more positive health benefits.

A breakfast containing a meat and nut fat (Almond or walnut preffered) can lean you out with no additional change to your diet.

I can talk all day about the benefits of fat for mass gains but back to Peanut butter.

ALL peanut butter, even the natural type contains a mold that has phytoestrogens in it. When maximizing T levels is optimal for lean mass gains, additional estrogens through diet is counter productive to all the hard work you do. I'm not saying that Peanut butter will convert to pure estrogen and lower free test in your body, but if used as a staple of a diet, you're not optimizing your gains through diet, find a better quality fat source.

Peanuts are neither a pea or a nut...Go for fish and coconut oil instead

[natvtec1.8]

wow u should all be scientist

[lil-SLIM]

peanuts arent a nut wtf?

[Slaiv]

omfg.... peanut butter can lower test?!?!?!?!

holy shit !!!! i eat like 5 spoonfulls throughout the day !!!! omfg......

coconut oil huh?!?! mm... i like that oil, ill try it !!!

thanks for the info !!!

[Ejuicer]

peanuts arent a nut wtf?

They're legumes and grow underground. Nuts grow from trees or bushes.

[Dumbbell_Blonde]

ok, here's my take. first, i was ignorant of the phytoestrogen content of the peanut... thank you for that information. any way, natural peanut butter (not processed PB like jif, skippy, etc which are full of sugar and hydrogenated oils and not lower/reduced fat which uses complex carbs and rice syrup to fill in the gaps where the fat was) natural peanut butter has good unsaturated fats that you need as well as a decent amount of protein although i don't look at it as a protein source, plant proteins are not completely bio-available or are just incomplete, and it's much heavier on the fats.

natural PB with a lean protein source is an excellent before bed meal and 1/2 tbsp of peanut butter kicks cravings really effectively. I would not suggest mixing it with high GI carbs because that will encourage storage of the fats nor would i use it right after a work out because it will slow the absorption of nutrients (which have both been mentioned before).

[sonnygll]

I wouldn't worry about PB lowering test. That sounds like bull$hit. The estrogen thing is for sure. If certain foods were increasing estrogen levels there would be a whole rash of guys growing boobs. SHOW ME THE BOOBS! I'm not believing a word of it until then.

[Dumbbell_Blonde]

there's tons of guys running around with boobies... many of them bigger than mine. but for some reason, i don't think it has anything to do with foods causing estrogen spikes. hahaha!

[sonnygll]

there's tons of guys running around with boobies... many of them bigger than mine. but for some reason, i don't think it has anything to do with foods causing estrogen spikes. hahaha!

Isn't that the truth! Now that you mention it, I guess I have seen lots of guys with d-cups! I think they are all about 18 months pregnant with triplets too!