HRT at 23!!??

[ToTheBuckeT21]

About 2.5 years ago after a cycle and PCT I got my blood work done and had very low levels of nat. test. after a good amount of time I did a second cycle with correct pct. I have now been off for well over a year and decided to get blood work done again.. I don't have a bad sex drive or anything I just figured it would be good to get it checked.. Well I came back low. I used proviron during cycle, nolva and clomid PCT. I should be back to normal with 1.5 years of recovery time and that includes no supplements or anything. So my doctor told me to go to an endocrinologist and look into HRT. I told him I had taken M1T and that would explain why it was low 2.5 years ago.

Do you guys think its possible that I just have nat Low test? And should I go on HRT if he asks if I want to? i did 500mgs of test for 10 weeks with only like 3,000cals a day and put on 25lbs so maybe I am naturally low, I've always had a smaller build. Any thoughts would be great guys, i'm pretty bummed to find this out..

[tvd220]

Bro im in your situation, I only wish that i got my levels checked pre steroid use. That should be a requirement.

Im at 260

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I'm about the same... I'd hate to think steroids caused my low test levels.. but like i said, i've always had a small frame. and a year and a half of having taken nothing and a good pct I should have been normal in 6 months tops!

[Atomini]

Did your nuts shrink on cycle?

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I wanna say yes.. Not because I actually remember that.. but because I feel like someone asked me if they do and I said yea but they go back to normal.. or maybe my penis just got really big while one and made them look small?

[Atomini]

Not that ball size would be a sign of the body's natural test production shutting down, but i'm on the 8th week of my first cycle of test E and my balls haven't shrunk whatsoever. I'm still going to do PCT though.

DId you always have a high sex drive? If you didn't then maybe you always had the same level of test you have now?

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I'd hardly say I had high sex drive.. but over the last 3ish years I have noticed morning wood isn't anything like it was in high school.. And if i were to go out all my guy friends would get pissed if they didn't hookup with anyone that night.. It never really bothered me if i didn't.. MAYBE I'M GAY?! lol na jk.. Fact of the matter is I haven't taken anything for almost 2 years and my test levels are low enough that my doctor thinks I need to talk to a specialist. If they aren't at normal level after 2 years how much longer could it really take? Maybe HRT really is my only option.. I have a long history of random things wrong with me..

[tvd220]

2 years is long bro, you should have recovered by now. Was that picture taken of you while you were on cycle?
You need to go to a endocrinoligist, to make sure you dont have any tumors that might be effecting you

[ToTheBuckeT21]

2 years is long bro, you should have recovered by now. Was that picture taken of you while you were on cycle?
You need to go to a endocrinoligist, to make sure you dont have any tumors that might be effecting you

well now that might just be the scariest thing anyone ever said to me.. I wanna say that pic was me 4 weeks into my first cycle. I'm going monday

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I go to the Doc tomorrow.. What should I expect? He has my blood work showing low levels 2 years ago and low levels last week. Do you think that would be enough for him to say "okay lets give the patch a shot" or do you think he will want me to get more blood work looking for 8020863 dif things and draw the whole process out 4 months?

[zaggahamma]

I go to the Doc tomorrow.. What should I expect? He has my blood work showing low levels 2 years ago and low levels last week. Do you think that would be enough for him to say "okay lets give the patch a shot" or do you think he will want me to get more blood work looking for 8020863 dif things and draw the whole process out 4 months?

i remember back to your age (i am now 38) and without pct AT ALL i ran 400mg test with A50's....never knew anything about bloodwork, pct, diet, etc...it would have been nice to know how long i was low when i finally found out at 37
your a step ahead of the game by using all the research tools at your hand and being proactive....find a good doc if this one isn't already and keep researching, learning and improving
did they tell you that your levels were low over the phone already because you are saying you found out last week....most docs wont read results over the phone
but either way...what are you hoping comes from the visit tommorrow...wish you the best..keep us posted

[ToTheBuckeT21]

Yes he let me know over the phone.. I had my liver values done cause I was starting a nail fungus pill so I figured since I'm getting bloodwork anyway lets throw that on there. The way I look at it is, if i'm naturally low then I guess I have no option but hrt, But who knows maybe he'll give me something like an HCG and that'll get me up to where I should be. I don't want HRT cause I think its cool and want free test.. I just wanna be healthy and not be at a disadvantage when it comes to the gym... but 1-1/2 years off and still low levels, I highly doubt it was from a cycle.. and that was just test, no deca or anything.

[vitor]

Have your strenght(progress) in the gym been decreasing during the last year? Muscle size etc.?
(strenght would probaly decrease somewhat right after the cycle, but from where you where before you used anything).

I have cycled alot more that you and my natty test levels are still in the high normal range...Steroids might not be the problem in your case, but there are some rare cases where this happends even after yust 1 cycle...

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I went from 185 about 4% body fat to 150lbs and I dont even know.. BUT, I had surgery and haven't been able to work out. My diet has always been good tho. I do a clean 2,500-3,000 (this is now, it was more when I was on and working out 4 days a week) and have a very high protein intake.


SHOULD I TELL THE DOC ABOUT MY USE!????????
besides everything else, what do you think? I'm thinking about telling him I did a cycle 2 years ago and that I regret it and it was dumb and I wouldn't do it again, basicly everything he wants to hear.. But this way he'll know everything instead of me just telling him I tried M1T. My only worry is if I tell him about the cycle that insurance won't cover me or something.

[Marek]

Do you know what your Testosterone value was? I am 40 and have been on HRT for a couple of years and love it. I never did steroids but when I was in my early 20's I did this stuff called "Hot Stuff" that ended up being banned later on. Sometimes I wonder if that stuff contributed to my condition. I had some great gains on the stuff and I have no idea what was in it. Alot of people in the gym were on it though.

[ToTheBuckeT21]

2 years ago they were 220 sticks out in my mind, but so does 180.. i don't know right now

[zoid1]

Just curious bro , But hows your sex life and over all well being? Have you noticed more fat around your waist memory ect ?
Kind Regards
Zoid

[zoid1]

I have done quite a lot of research on this test thing and have found that some do not need high test and some have really high test, My test is very low due to my nut problems and i can still pack good solid mucle on but my sex drive sucks , I am trying to find the balance on the test and estrogen at the mo.
Kind Regards
Zoid

[ToTheBuckeT21]

My sex drive is fine.. I've been with a girl for over a year, i love her to death and its never a problem.. it is a distance relationship and we really only get to see each other on the weekends tho. It is very hard for me to put on any muscle mass..

The doc told me to go get another blood test done because the first one I had done was at like 2 in the afternoon and he said to do it in the morning when I first get up for a true reading. If he says like "see first thing in the morning you are at 400 instead of 200 you are in normal range" I'm gonna go for a second opinion. I'm 23, healthy and very active there is no reason my test should be anything less then 700 at any point in the day..

[zoid1]

You know what my friend i would say your ok as the first thing to go is your hard on memory loss ect , I would not stress over it , As for putting on muscle some people are hard gainers thats just the way we are built good luck with your results please post them when you get them until then good luck and god bless.
Zoid

[AnabolicBoy1981]

i would mess around running adex or letro for a couple months before jumping on hrt.
But if it came down to it, id go on hrt.

and personally, u should be pissed if u go out an not get ass. U should also have to wank before bed. Jerkin off is somethin you might only have TIME for once a day, but should WANT to do like 3 times day. And when your bored at work, your mind should pretty much be a cesspool. if it isnt, something aint right. And popping boners during the day..even with occasional precum. And when you see a chcik with short shorts on and nice thick tanned thighs you should be turning your head and go "Aw! rgg!"

but i know guys like you...they like sex...like it alot..but its not like priority for them...and they dont think dirty thoughts all day long. And in a way you might be happy like that, not living in angst, like a nutured dog.....but id rather live with angst and try to quench it and live life with more color, than not have it, and not really need to quunch it..
am i makin any sense?

I guess its a personal descision. I sit around 550-600ng/dl
free test about 1.25

[tvd220]

i would mess around running adex or letro for a couple months before jumping on hrt.
But if it came down to it, id go on hrt.

and personally, u should be pissed if u go out an not get ass. U should also have to wank before bed. Jerkin off is somethin you might only have TIME for once a day, but should WANT to do like 3 times day. And when your bored at work, your mind should pretty much be a cesspool. if it isnt, something aint right. And popping boners during the day..even with occasional precum. And when you see a chcik with short shorts on and nice thick tanned thighs you should be turning your head and go "Aw! rgg!"

but i know guys like you...they like sex...like it alot..but its not like priority for them...and they dont think dirty thoughts all day long. And in a way you might be happy like that, not living in angst, like a nutured dog.....but id rather live with angst and try to quench it and live life with more color, than not have it, and not really need to quunch it..
am i makin any sense?

I guess its a personal descision. I sit around 550-600ng/dl
free test about 1.25

Although personality comes into play, that is how a man in his twenties should be thinking/feeling. IF you aint living like that your not living at all.

Bro, your test levels are average, but your free is high, right?

[zoid1]

hey TVD like AnabolicBoy said try and play around if you have to go on HRT , I am in the same state not ready to give up yet tho , Me i am 37 and have wood like string well all most i am trying to go for a while on HCG and nolva see if i can jump start my nutz but my problem is down to veins in my nuts nolva brings me right up to 600+ and makes me feel good but when i come off its down she goes, I will try now i have had the emobliztion in a few weeks or so, All the best bro,
god bless

[zoid1]

Sorry i ment ToTheBuckeT21

[ToTheBuckeT21]

I just wanted to give you guys the follow up.. I went for blood work first thing in the morning when I woke up as that is when testosterone is highest. Now I'm talking I got out of bed brushed my teeth and went in PJs. I came back at 467 and my doctor says "I'm in normal range" Yea normal range for a 50 year old. Obviously I'm not low enough to do any type of HRT but my doc didn't wanna do a follow up or talk to me about it or anything which kinda pisses me off.. I'm thinking about getting a little tongkat ali and maybe some tribulus.. Just some natural herbs and such I don't wanna mess around with any compounds. What do you guys think?

[ToTheBuckeT21]

As of right now I'm thinking about giving this N1-T stuff a shot.. Its cheap, has good reviews and naturally is supposed to boost nat test levels. $40 can get me about 2 months worth and then I'll get blood work done again and see where I'm at.

[zaggahamma]

bump

[ToTheBuckeT21]

Or i'm thinking of just doing 1,000mgs of trib a day along with 400mg of tongkat 50:1..

I'll figure it out today and grab it tomorrow. the price is the same for both.

[J-Dogg]

Keep us posted, there is a TON of information on what cycle to take, and what works best, 1000's of people on those boards but it is REALLY hard to find good information on HRT/Gyno and PCT from people who have tried options to see what works and/or does not.

[abbot138]

I was in about the exact same situation as you. 26 years old, did a few cycles all with good PCT and a year after my last my leves were still shot. I had low energy, depression. So I went to get checked with family doctor. I came back around 275, which I know is low, but according to most doctors is not low enough. So I did some research and found a legit clinic. I have now been using TRT for about 1 year and I feel great. Levels are back up around 700. Better sex drive, better moods, better results from workouts and strict dieting, I was even able to kick my anti-depressant meds. Its really a personal decision for you. There are clinics out there that can help, and you will feel and look better. But you have to realize that it is a life long committment, and at our age that is quite a comittment. What made up my mind was that I had always felt that I had lower test levels and I was sick of it. And although i was in the "normal" range, like you said it was normal for a 50 year old, not some one in their late 20's. Best of luck to you. Hope this helped a little.

[meathead320]

I know a guy who is 21 and on TRT, as he is an XXY dissorder.

There are a lot of unfortunate men who have lost their testes at a young age due to an accident, or even cancer, all of who are on TRT.

not a big deal.

Have you ever had a testicular unjury?

What were your LH and FSH levels, and the lab scale for those levels?

If those are elevated, and your test is low, then it was likely NOT caused by the AAS.

AAS related testosterone being low is often noticed with low LH and FSH levels.

[Coach 44]

If nothing else, it's great to see you younger guys getting your blood levels checked these days. I didn't until two months ago, I'm 45, and it came back 209 (total) 31 (free). Who knows how long I was low? I just figured I would never be able to train like did when I was younger, would never achieve any gains because the recovery took so long, etc. But with just 3 weeks on hrt I'm really feeling like myself again. Because like you, I never had a low sex drive. Let us know how it's going for you.