First Cycle: Test E & Pct

[chew78]

Hi all, I am about to start my first ever cycle, I have done so much reading on this forum and thank goodness there are poeple out there with some usefull info.

I am planning to use Test E only @ 400-500mgs per week for a 12 week run. As far as I can understand this should be ok for my first cycle?? I was going to use pct only after my cycle, prob clomid?? But im not 100% sure if I need a HCG as far as I can tell I may get away with out it??

Im not sure how hard it is going to be to find a PCT so can anyone shed some light into the research alternative for clomid on this site?

[Johny-too-small]

Id look at running nolva @ 20mg/ed for 5-6 weeks and an AI like aromasin @ 25mg/ed for 2 weeks. Start PCT 2 weeks after your last injection. Clomid and HCG are optional, imo.

Also, make sure you get your pct drugs before you start your cycle (in case of gyno, or that you have to end the cycle early for some reason).

Your cycle looks fine. Whats your diet look like? What are your stats?

[chew78]

Thanks, Yeh I want to get pct prior to starting, just trying to make an educated choice, now im a little confused I thought Nolva and Clomid were simmilar or did I read wrong??
now when you say to use nolva for 5-6 weeks you mean as a pct dont you?? as I was hoping not use anything else during the test e cycle?

well my stats are as follows:I am 28 years old.
I have been working out for 2 years constinly altering my program every 6 weeks or so but always staying commited and never missing a routine session or if i do I make sure I make it up.
I have my daily protein shakes, try to eat healthy generally half a roasted chicken for lunch with steak or simmilar for dinner. I have had a couple of creatine cycles also.
my weight is 77kg 175cm tall, I have come along way from when I started with noticable muscle gains and fat loss, pretty happy with my natural results. not sure what else to say really.

[m-man]

Johny is it bad to Start clomid before the 2 weeks after the last injection? (few days after)

[chew78]

Hey John as far I can tell is Liquidex a simmilar product to aromasin??? would I be able to use this with my cycle of Test E then use Nolva or simmilar as pht?? I keep reading so much then I get confused to what is what. any help would be greatly appreciated sorry for being a pest.

[allout13]

i would also look into getting letro to keep on hand incase you get gyno side effects... and it is important to remember with your pct (especially if you think its getting to cost too much money) "you only get out what you put in". without a good pct, you will really lose most of your gains.

[Johny-too-small]

Thanks, Yeh I want to get pct prior to starting, just trying to make an educated choice, now im a little confused I thought Nolva and Clomid were simmilar or did I read wrong??
now when you say to use nolva for 5-6 weeks you mean as a pct dont you?? as I was hoping not use anything else during the test e cycle?

well my stats are as follows:I am 28 years old.
I have been working out for 2 years constinly altering my program every 6 weeks or so but always staying commited and never missing a routine session or if i do I make sure I make it up.
I have my daily protein shakes, try to eat healthy generally half a roasted chicken for lunch with steak or simmilar for dinner. I have had a couple of creatine cycles also.
my weight is 77kg 175cm tall, I have come along way from when I started with noticable muscle gains and fat loss, pretty happy with my natural results. not sure what else to say really.

Yes, Nolva and Clomid act in similar fashion. They are both serms, but they are different drugs. Use nolva for pct, unless you start getting puffy nips. As far as your diet and natty gains are concerned, I think that you could go a lot further naturally. Id highly recommend reading up the diet section of this forum. You should be eating 6-7 meals ED. Diet is more important than anything else.

Johny is it bad to Start clomid before the 2 weeks after the last injection? (few days after)

In a short answer, no. However, dont go above 50 mg/ed until pct and Id run nolva instead @ 10 mg/ed.

Hey John as far I can tell is Liquidex a simmilar product to aromasin??? would I be able to use this with my cycle of Test E then use Nolva or simmilar as pht?? I keep reading so much then I get confused to what is what. any help would be greatly appreciated sorry for being a pest.

Sure you can run l-dex. Use during cycle if you get bloat or gyno and use both nolva and l-dex during pct. Its all about fighting estrogen, bro. Dont worry, just eat and life hard.

and it is important to remember with your pct (especially if you think its getting to cost too much money) "you only get out what you put in". without a good pct, you will really lose most of your gains.

Nice work.

[chew78]

Thanks heaps, Yeh my diet, more than likely could be improved, I do eat during the day as well, I try to have carbs and fruit and tuna or simmilar between meals as well, not to say my diet is perfect as I know it is not, but I try to put on weight but only seem to get as far as 77kg I have been playing with the idea of trying steroids for a while and only now that it has come available I have decided to give it a go knowing very well that I still must concentrate on diet and working out hard, I just want to try to get a good pct.

So I will be using Test e, and if I take yr advice and use Nolva 10mg pd as a pct (or with clomid is there less of a chance of puffy nips?) and l-dex during cycle and with the Nolva for pct does that sound ok?
How would I cycle the i-dex and will the research products on this site do the job?

[Johny-too-small]

This pct should get you though this cycle okay:

week 14-17 or 18, or 19 (depends on you): Nolva @ 20 mg/ed
Week 14-16: ldex @ .25 mg/ed

Ar-r is good, here is the dose chart:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...ght=dose+chart

[chew78]

thanks again, with out people like you info would often be hard to put inot english so to speak

[chew78]

just reading through it again, am I correct in that yr saying that I dont really need to use idex during the cycle unless I start to get bloated??

[Johny-too-small]

just reading through it again, am I correct in that yr saying that I dont really need to use idex during the cycle unless I start to get bloated??

Correct. No need to run an AI through your cycle unless of you have an bloating issues or the onset of gyno.

[chew78]

thanks again.
I think im going to go with the Nolva for pct instead of clomid. when I click on Nolva it comes up with Tamox 50mL 20mg this is the one to buy isnt it??

[Cun0144]

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[chew78]

I am a littled confused, I just recieved my Test E, I was planning to take 400-500mg per week for the first cycle but when I got it, the packaging states thats its dosed at 75mg per ml the guy who sold it and a couple other guys that are taking it are only using 2ml per week making it 150mg per week, this seems like a very low dose but they seem to think it is plenty, so now I will run short if I run it at 400-500mg per week but 150mg wont really cut it will it??????

[Johny-too-small]

I am a littled confused, I just recieved my Test E, I was planning to take 400-500mg per week for the first cycle but when I got it, the packaging states thats its dosed at 75mg per ml the guy who sold it and a couple other guys that are taking it are only using 2ml per week making it 150mg per week, this seems like a very low dose but they seem to think it is plenty, so now I will run short if I run it at 400-500mg per week but 150mg wont really cut it will it??????

Sound like its prop to me. Ive never seen any Enan dosed @ 75 mg/ml. That makes no sence. Is it a UGL?

[chew78]

yeh I was pretty pissed off about it, well it had test e but just low a couple guys say they have seen it at 75mg dose, not sure about UGL, how can I work out for sure???

[chew78]

Johny or anyone else, whats yr opinion on this, as it also has good points, I still havnt purchased my pct I was going to go with the nolva and idex as planned but just found this interesting re: clomid ??????????????

"well bro for yrs the main pct was to be Nolva & clomid, nolva as we know is a breast cancer drug so its a better anti-estrogen, clomid is a fertility drug and will bring back your natural test levels that you dreamed off (Not saying that nolvadex doesnt, but if you've been around the forums long enough you prolly came through threads were users would only use nolvadex as the serm, and few wks after they discontinue its use their test levels goes back down and they come and complain and ask for help). Anyway AI's used to be ran during cycle's only or during pct if hcg was used. After our friend anthony roberts came up with his protocol, which works, but it confused the hell out of ppl. Now ppl think that you cant run nolva and Adex or letro or wutever. His protocol does not include clomid, but he has Hcg in there which also is a ferility drug just as clomid, so imo you need hcg or clomid always. He also adds aromasin in there yes which is great, but now running an AI during cycle and then pct is a little too much imo and his intension was to run an AI for pct only. you might still recover with nolva+aromasin, but after the discontinue the test levels might slowly decrease, depends how your body reacts to those drugs. but as you know now i only recommend clomid when i dont see hcg in there"

[chew78]

this is what pct i am going to do: nolva @ 20mg/ed for 5-6 weeks and aromasin @ 25mg/ed for 2 weeks. Start PCT 2 weeks after last injection. I have since added 200mg per week of deca for 4 weeks only and I just cant work out if i need to add or extend my pct??? as far as I can tell as long as I stop deca 1 - 2 weeks prior to stopping test e I should be ok, any thoughts???