Hd17

[dupminxhere]

I was in the gym yesterday and a guy told me about 17-HD and how he was close to going to the dark side when his friend recommended 17-HD. He claims his friend improved his bench close to 100 pounds in a months use (30 capsules). He is currently on it now and had my friend spot him benching 320.

Is 17-HD one of those legal steroids? The way he talks about it, they seem so.

He has also heard they shut your nuts off too if you use them a lot. So, that sounds very steroidy to me.

Here is a link to the info on it at GNC.com: http://www.gnc.com/product/index.jsp...entPage=search

Any input would be greatly appreciated!

[dupminxhere]

Any thoughts?

[Succubus]

it's not a ph although they are trying to market it as such.

they call it "17-HD (17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone)"

i read this on another site, written by a doctor:

1.)17 - As is c17a, the 17th carbon at the alpha position is where anabolic steroids have their potency and toxicity and often is where a methyl group is as attached.
2.)Halo - Besides being a great X-Box game, it is another group of steroids such as the popular halotestin, also halodrol is quite popular in the prohormone world.
3.)Methyl - See #1. Also - see buzz word of the year (#2 is ethyl ester)
4.)Dianadrone - Diana(bol) aka methandrostenolone, comes pretty close to hitting the whole 17-HD name is one fall swoop.
5.)17-HD, or 17-Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone, sounds like a chemical compound doesn't it? Sounds like one heck of a methylated potent oral steroid. Right?

Guess what? It's not. Matter of fact it's just a bunch of herbs. I'd say this is pretty deceptive so far, but lets get into the useless or even counterproductive part.


Here is the ingredients according to the write-up:

17- Halo-Methyl-Dianadrone: 400mg
Ge Gan (pueraria lobota)
Smilax Officinalis
N.O. Oliliacae

Betaecdysterone 100mg
Wild yam extract 100mg
Glabra 100mg
Phosphatidyl choline 50mg
Citric acid 50mg

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We'll start with wild yam and go from there.
Wild Yam is great at regulating estrogen...there's a potent benefit! And I will quote:

"Wild yam has been used for menstrual cramps or pain, menopausal symptoms, rheumatic conditions, and gallbladder complaints. Wild yam is sometimes suggested as an alternative to hormone replacement therapy. While components of wild yam are chemically manufactured into the hormones progesterone or estrogen, the body is unable to use wild yam in the same way."
http://www.drugs.com/MTM/wild_yam.html

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Ge Gen is aka kudzu and I quote:

"Chemicals extracted from kudzu include isoflavones known as daidzein, daidzin, genistein, and puerarin. Isoflavones are plant chemicals that have estrogenic and antioxidant effects."
http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Her...Ge+Gen,00.html

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How 'bout Smilax? Let's go for the trifecta shall we? Smilax officinalis is also known as sarsparilla.
I'll quote again...

"In the United States, sarsaparilla is sold primarily as an oral remedy for skin conditions such as psoriasis. It is believed that chemicals in sarsaparilla may attach to endotoxins (the remnants of bacterial cells) that are common in individuals with psoriasis and certain other conditions. By eliminating or reducing the amounts of endotoxins in the body, sarsaparilla may help to relieve the condition.

Orally, sarsaparilla also has weak diuretic and laxative effects, which may make it useful in promoting the loss of excess water from the body and also in treating mild constipation. It may also promote sweating, which may help to reduce fever. Additionally, sarsaparilla contains chemicals that may act as a mild expectorant - a substance that may loosen bronchial mucus and promote cou***ng. However, none of these effects has been verified through clinical studies and they may vary greatly depending on the amounts and type of sarsaparilla that is used. "
http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Her...inalis,00.html
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Hmm...well we've established it raises estrogen, has laxative effects...is there anything else this miracle supplement can do for me you ask?

Well I am glad you asked...Glabra is cute renaming (as every ingredient is and the product itself) of Glycyrrhiza glabra, aka Licorice. Licorice you say? Yes, THE ultimate bodybuilding supplement. And I will quote:

"Licorice is also a mild laxative. Large doses of glycyrrhizinic acid and glycyrrhetinic acid in liquorice extract can lead to hypokalemia and serious increases in blood pressure, a syndrome known as apparent mineralocorticoid excess. These side effects stem from the inhibition of the enzyme 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase (type 2) and subsequent increase in activity of cortisol on the kidney. 11β-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase normally inactivates cortisol in the kidney; thus, licorice's inactivation of this enzyme makes the concentration of cortisol appear to increase. Cortisol acts at the same receptor as the hormone aldosterone in the kidney; thus, the effects mimic aldosterone excess, although aldosterone remains low or normal during licorice overdose. Cortisol does not actually increase either; however, its activity in the kidney effectively increases due to the disabling of this enzyme. To decrease the chances of these serious side effects, deglycyrrhizinated licorice (DGL) preparations are available.

Licorice affects the body's endocrine system. It can lower the amount of serum testosterone, but whether it affects the amount of free testosterone is unclear. A PubMed search for licorice AND testosterone will provide additional information."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Licorice

Well, cool, Licorice decrease testosterone, increases blood pressure and may increase catabolic hormones. Oh yeah, and again its a laxative.
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So lets tally up the results: we got elevated estrogen, decreased testosterone, increased cortisol, increased blood pressure, and 2 laxatives.

Lastly, there is one ingredient listed that, in fact, does not exist-so I can't tell you what it is other than it is an herb. N.O. (sounds like Nitric Oxide - Buzz Word!) Olilicae. Sorry. Given the collective data one WHAT IS IN THERE, I wouldn't hope for much.

Well the only thing of benefit I see here is the 50mg of Vitamin C (citric acid), which doesn't even meet the lowly RDA. Sweet formulation. Really.

Good luck to anyone who uses this. The supplement industry loves you.
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Shawn Wells, MPH, RD, CISSN
Chief Clinical Dietitian
Certified Sports Nutritionist

[dupminxhere]

Wow - great find. If what that guy is saying is correct; it'd be rather pointless to buy and better to just stick to creatine.

Then again, it's about the same price as NO Xplode and if the guy at the gym uses it and it really works, then MAYBE I might get it.

I don't know; I'll research on it a bit more.

Thank you for posting that, man! I appreciate it.

Also, would what he said about it being estrogenic when it clearly says in it's description that it's anti-estrogenic.. would that be false advertisement?

I'll ask my brain GNC lady that tries to market me everything, lolz.

Thanks again, man!

[UNCCwrestler]

having taken both NO-Xplode and 17-HD... I personally would suggest NO-Xplode. 17-HD made my muscles a little harder while I was on it, but pretty much is a pre-workout intensifier like NO. I liked the energy/pump from NO better.

[dupminxhere]

ive read many bad reviews and i purchased it.
I feel energy - but i realize for sure that i can rep more with things and i know its not placebo cus i rep certain amounts before the point i have complete failure

like im really weak chest (im new to lifting) and i life 120 reps of 8 normally and i do 12 now and it used to be 8 was all i could go

its only been 3 days so ill update on it more

[Dagron]

Realize that GNC works on a commission, there's a reason they are trying to sell you everything. I have been where you are now, looking to get every edge I possibly can, but the truth is you will be better served logging your macronutrients and perfecting those, figuring out what foods work for you and in what amounts, basically, learning your body. This is THE edge that you really need, because ultimately, you are what you eat. It's not exciting and it's not about fast results but it is what will get you where you want to go. There's a very short list of supplements that are truly worth purchasing; prohormones and fake prohormones are not among them.

[Succubus]

ive read many bad reviews and i purchased it.
I feel energy - but i realize for sure that i can rep more with things and i know its not placebo cus i rep certain amounts before the point i have complete failure

I don't think you grasp the meaning of placebo.