First time juicer. Please help.

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

This is my first post here. I did my best to read through all the “newbie” material, so if I break any of the “first post” rules, please except my humblest apologies.

Firstly I’d like to share a little of my background. When I first decided to start trying to be healthier I was a 130lb coke head. At 6’1” that’s no joke. I don’t think it was a secret to anyone that I was using. Anyhow, I kicked the habit, which helped me gain back 10lbs. When I started lifting I was 140lbs. Just about two years went by hitting the gym and eating healthy and I was a solid 200lbs. I was feeling great about the weight I had gained. However it has been yet another year since then and I have struggled all 12 months trying to gain weight. About ten months ago I changed my diet to this:

- I eat about 5 to 7 times a day. Meals are as such:
o A chicken slab and some broccoli
o 5 or 6 eggs and steamed mixed veggies
o bowl of brown rice mixed with can of soup
o Protein shake mixed w/ milk and a banana
o My favorite, whole wheat toast with cottage cheese on top. YUM!
o Etc…

I’m now 210 – 215ish. My problem is, the only weight I can seem to gain is fat. I’ve added adipose tissue to both my a**omen and buttocks. I’m in the gym 5 days a week. My workout routine is as such:

- Monday – chest, light tri’s
- Tuesday – back, light shoulders, light bi’s
- Wednesday – legs and abs
- Thursday – triceps and shoulders
- Friday – biceps and lats

I’ve tried the legal pro-hormones such as Supordrol, halidrol, bla bla bla… I just finished a cycle of Methyl 1-D with 1***, and Masterdrol stacked with Anabolic Pump (anabolic pump can lick my balls. That stuff is bull shit. Don’t believe the hype.), followed by gaspari nutrition-novadex and tribulus for recovery. I gained nothing. I toned up a bit but that went away as the pills did. I’ve stayed away from steroids for now due to my “past drug history”. I realize that obviously, the substances I was interested in before and steroids are in completely different realms. I guess I just haven’t wanted to put myself and my health in a compromising position. I’ve done quite a bit of reading on this site and many others and have come to realize that not only are there healthy ways to cycle steroids but also, steroids have come a long way since they were riddled with bad side effects and gained that bad “steroid reputation”.

My question to this forum is:

- What is a good steroid for a first timer that will help pack on muscle mass?
- Is there a good oral steroid for the first timer?

I’ve been considering Stanozolol, but as I’ve mentioned I’m not too sure as to where to get it or if it’s even the right thing for me. I’ve already purchased my recovery meds. Taxmoxifen(generic nolvadex) 20mg.
If there’s anything else I’ve neglected to mention that you’d like to, or need to know, please let me know. I’ll do my best to check this forum periodically. Thanks for all the help that I know the guys here will offer!

[dupa95]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=212234Start here make damm sure your not tradin one addiction for the other.

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

I read through all that material before i posted here. If there's one thing i hate, it's sounding like an idiot. i've been clean for 3 years. I've not even been tempted to go back. my life has changed radically over those three years. I finished college and am now a software engineer. I think i've reached my genetic potential. i'm much larger than anyonoe else in my family or extended family. I'm just curious to know if steroids can take me to the next level. I appreciate the time you took to read my post. Thanks.

[topnotch]

might wanna edit your post...your not supposed to ask "where can i get them"...that's not allowed...i'm definately glad to see you made a change in lifestyle and have put on a lot of muslce naturally...for a beginner,first off you dont want oral only...a good starting cycle is 500mg/week of test cyp or test enth, for 10-12 weeks, and possibly kickstart that w/ d-bol 20-30mg/day for weeks 1-4...most important thing is read about pct...this will determine everything and also your diet...welcome bro

[EZgainer]

I noticed that your training could use a little change w/ or without aas...If your goal is to put on mass you should be training heavy in the 6 to 8 rep range with as much weight as possible...most important you will want to be doing compound lifts such as bench, squat and deadlift stay heavy as possible...I kno this isnt the training forum however i noticed you train shoulders bis and tris twice a week and have "Light days" this is all my opinion obviosly but when putting on mass thats the way to go...seams like you have your diet in order dont b afriad of a lil fat while bulking try and create an anabolic enviroment in your body...watch out for the addictive personality aas are extremely addictive not so much physically but mentally. good luck on everything and research forever you can never know enough about all this stuff

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

The workout described above is currently what i'm trying. I've been on all sorts of different training programs. when i say light tri's, bi's and shoulders, i just mean, i usually get a pump in them when working the main muscle for that day, so i just do 1 or 2 excersizes each being 3 sets to sorta finish off the pump. might as well do it, they're already 80% there. might as well finish'em off. i've only imployed this thoery for about a month after watching a cottrell porter video. i brought it up to one of my mentors and co-workers. he's a nurse (i make software for the medical field) and he said he's been using that particular program for 20yrs. (since he was 16) now is 36 and 260 lbs about 6'4". anyway, thought i'd give it a try. not really noticing anything spectacular.

[basshead69]

I would run test E or cyp like tonotch mentioned mabey throw in some d-bol for the first 4 weeks and you'll be a monster you should pack on about 20 pounds of muscle depending on your diet.

Week 1-10 Test E or Cyp 500mg inject Monday and Friday
Week 1-4 D-Bol 30mg a day
PCT Anthony Roberts

[5ifthCitizen]

This is my first post here. I did my best to read through all the “newbie” material, so if I break any of the “first post” rules, please except my humblest apologies.

Firstly I’d like to share a little of my background. When I first decided to start trying to be healthier I was a 130lb coke head. At 6’1” that’s no joke. I don’t think it was a secret to anyone that I was using. Anyhow, I kicked the habit, which helped me gain back 10lbs. When I started lifting I was 140lbs. Just about two years went by hitting the gym and eating healthy and I was a solid 200lbs. I was feeling great about the weight I had gained. However it has been yet another year since then and I have struggled all 12 months trying to gain weight. About ten months ago I changed my diet to this:

- I eat about 5 to 7 times a day. Meals are as such:
o A chicken slab and some broccoli
o 5 or 6 eggs and steamed mixed veggies
o bowl of brown rice mixed with can of soup
o Protein shake mixed w/ milk and a banana
o My favorite, whole wheat toast with cottage cheese on top. YUM!
o Etc…

I’m now 210 – 215ish. My problem is, the only weight I can seem to gain is fat. I’ve added adipose tissue to both my a**omen and buttocks. I’m in the gym 5 days a week. My workout routine is as such:

- Monday – chest, light tri’s
- Tuesday – back, light shoulders, light bi’s
- Wednesday – legs and abs
- Thursday – triceps and shoulders
- Friday – biceps and lats

I’ve tried the legal pro-hormones such as Supordrol, halidrol, bla bla bla… I just finished a cycle of Methyl 1-D with 1***, and Masterdrol stacked with Anabolic Pump (anabolic pump can lick my balls. That stuff is bull shit. Don’t believe the hype.), followed by gaspari nutrition-novadex and tribulus for recovery. I gained nothing. I toned up a bit but that went away as the pills did. I’ve stayed away from steroids for now due to my “past drug history”. I realize that obviously, the substances I was interested in before and steroids are in completely different realms. I guess I just haven’t wanted to put myself and my health in a compromising position. I’ve done quite a bit of reading on this site and many others and have come to realize that not only are there healthy ways to cycle steroids but also, steroids have come a long way since they were riddled with bad side effects and gained that bad “steroid reputation”.

My question to this forum is:

- What is a good steroid for a first timer that will help pack on muscle mass?
- Is there a good oral steroid for the first timer?

I’ve been considering Stanozolol, but as I’ve mentioned I’m not too sure as to where to get it or if it’s even the right thing for me. I’ve already purchased my recovery meds. Taxmoxifen(generic nolvadex) 20mg.
If there’s anything else I’ve neglected to mention that you’d like to, or need to know, please let me know. I’ll do my best to check this forum periodically. Thanks for all the help that I know the guys here will offer!

before anything your diet needs some serious work man. a couple of those meals are nearly completely worthless. however, if that is the stuff that you eat on a regular basis you should not be gaining ANY fat. its simple science man, if you eat fat you're gonna gain fat. which leads me to believe that those aren't the things that you normally eat since you say you're gaining fat....

you're right about all those supplements, they're mostly bullsh^t. aas is definitely the way to go if you're ready but i would have to see some pictures of u to say anything about potential steroid use for you since you have some contradictory things going on with your diet.

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I'm new to steroids not bodybuilding! I've upped my complex carbs (brown rice and chunky beef/chicken soup is one of the newer meals. other meals include yams, bowl of oatmeal, couple xyience breakfast bars, etc...). since I’ve upped my carbs, I’ve started to gain fat. The REAL simple fact is that if I’m in taking more calories than my body is burning, it can be stored as fat. I've talked with all the big guys at the gym and they keep telling me; "you're working your ass off here, all you need to do is stuff your face more". That is what i have done. I can't deny that i've possibly gained slightly more muscle, but the majority it seems is adipose tissue.

ALSO i take issue with you saying my whole wheat toast and cottage cheese has no nutritious value! Whole wheat are the complex carbs and cottage cheese has TONS of good protein in it! (just had to call you out on that one)

maybe I'm wrong. If so, then please correct me. I'm just trying to get bigger!

[green22]

just get Test either Ena, or cyp. use 400-500mgs per week for 12 weeks and a good PCT. Thats it. Keep it simple.

[IntenseAthlete]

That is the most absurd thing I've ever heard. I'm new to steroids not bodybuilding! I've upped my complex carbs (brown rice and chunky beef/chicken soup is one of the newer meals. other meals include yams, bowl of oatmeal, couple xyience breakfast bars, etc...). since I’ve upped my carbs, I’ve started to gain fat. The REAL simple fact is that if I’m in taking more calories than my body is burning, it can be stored as fat. I've talked with all the big guys at the gym and they keep telling me; "you're working your ass off here, all you need to do is stuff your face more". That is what i have done. I can't deny that i've possibly gained slightly more muscle, but the majority it seems is adipose tissue.

ALSO i take issue with you saying my whole wheat toast and cottage cheese has no nutritious value! Whole wheat are the complex carbs and cottage cheese has TONS of good protein in it! (just had to call you out on that one)

maybe I'm wrong. If so, then please correct me. I'm just trying to get bigger!

To start with congrats for kicking the coke.It seems now your a fitness junkie which is much better.Been there,done that good job!

Your diet needs alot of work. Some pointers if it comes in can or a package its crap!Soup,yams ,bf bars, crap,crap total crap.Wheat bread about as complex as the Presidents brain."Milk is for babies" full of sugar, allergins/bad hormones.Another food that is listed as complex that will make you fat.Not to mention the protien content is hard to absorb because of the bacteria it takes to break down.Which most people don't carry because of numerous reasons.So your nutritious cottage cheese your crapping right through all that quality protien.
Bottom line quality whole foods have quality carbs,protien and nutrients and are aborsded as such.They will yeild quality results.You are overlooking many nutrient rich foods, fruit, nuts,beans to name a few.Spend time researching your diet not just as carbs and protiens but foods that are highly nutritious,natural and full of protien/carbs.And IMO whey another peice of crap health issues and again craps almost right out.Check into egg protien.Bang for your buck almost twice as good.

Your workout program lacks intensity and legs once a week!Its only the biggest muscle group in the body.The benefits of a good leg workout can take the rest of your body to the next level.Increasing your natural test to name one of the many benifits and where is your cardio?Cardio training is a must even when bulking.The endurance you gain can help push workouts even farther.

When you straighten out your diet and step up your training take that as far you can go.Than its time for the juice.

Good luck and your right about all those supps crap that has the same sides as juice with no results

[topnotch]

johnny i disagree about a lot of your previous statement...milk, if it doesn't bother your stomach is a good source of protein...also whey is a good protein as well...whole foods are always better, but shakes are good in between meals...also, working legs just once per week i feel is fine...it is the largest muscle group, therefore it is the most taxing on your cns, and also takes the most time to recover...but as you said, it will bring the rest of your body to new gains...

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

When you straighten out your diet and step up your training take that as far you can go.Than its time for the juice.

Thanks for the awesome advise! This is what i was hoping to hear. that i was doing something wrong. i'd like to postpone the use of steroids as long as possible. Thanks for taking the time to give me a good "re-starting" point. can't thank you enough!

[IntenseAthlete]

johnny i disagree about a lot of your previous statement...milk, if it doesn't bother your stomach is a good source of protein...also whey is a good protein as well...whole foods are always better, but shakes are good in between meals...also, working legs just once per week i feel is fine...it is the largest muscle group, therefore it is the most taxing on your cns, and also takes the most time to recover...but as you said, it will bring the rest of your body to new gains...

Dairy and whey are debatable, but most people that follow this path have increased health, lower BF and mores lean muscle gains.Shakes don't compare to real food should be used pwo only.Legs, if your getting proper nutrients/recovery shouldnt be a problem.Twice a week if your want to gain.

[topnotch]

yeah, as i stated, shakes are just good for in between meals...sometimes on the job it's ok every now and then as a meal replacement, but only if it's necessary...i still think for optimum growth legs are only good for once a week...unless your doing a split between quads and hams or something like that...but if your working legs completely once a week is good

[IntenseAthlete]

Thanks for the awesome advise! This is what i was hoping to hear. that i was doing something wrong. i'd like to postpone the use of steroids as long as possible. Thanks for taking the time to give me a good "re-starting" point. can't thank you enough!

Glad we got you to think!Its this kind of open mind that will keep you advancing.We are all always learning and the more we all share the better.Then we take what we can from each other and that is what keeps new ideas in training/diet/supp/steroids advancing the human body to new levels.
keep posting with your new diet and training plan/results

[IntenseAthlete]

yeah, as i stated, shakes are just good for in between meals...sometimes on the job it's ok every now and then as a meal replacement, but only if it's necessary...i still think for optimum growth legs are only good for once a week...unless your doing a split between quads and hams or something like that...but if your working legs completely once a week is good

I think 7 days is to long to rest any muscle and make progress and less your tapping into overeaching which means its time for a recovery week.

So whoevers got the biggest quads wins post pics?

[topnotch]

i'd say we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one jonny...at least the guy listened to the advice which is most important

[IntenseAthlete]

i'd say we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one jonny...at least the guy listened to the advice which is most important

Sounds good, You should tell the guy in the other thread to take a note from this guy.I was going to post but it looks futile.

[topnotch]

which other thread?

[IntenseAthlete]

which other thread?

the one you just posted a diet on, not bad for a guy on the go.Good naty gains by the "whey".Not bad for doing legs once a week.lol

[midnight777]

from what i read can't you have a po wo shake and pre wo shake?

[topnotch]

haha, yeah not bad for doin legs once...actually the program i've been on, i've been doin them 3 times every 2 weeks...it worked good for awhile, but it was a lower volume program and now i'm switchin back to my older routine for awhile...

[IntenseAthlete]

from what i read can't you have a po wo shake and pre wo shake?

You can do whatever you want, shakes have there place but there is no replacing real food,period.One thing to remeber is if its working for you than keep it going.when you start having problems its time to rethink

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

Thanks for all the great advice. As far as legs go, I won't be working them out any time soon. I got jumped a few weeks back by five big dudes. From what I hear I put two of’em in the hospital but they did some damage too. They somehow managed to tear my meniscus in my right knee. Dr. says he wants to do surgery but is leaving it up to me... I dunno how I feel about it... I’m walking fine (almost without a limp except on the real cold days it stiffens up a bit) My main deal is trying not to twist it weird. As long as I can avoid that, I'm relatively pain free. Without getting into too many specifics, what do you guys think? Surgery or not? What's your gut instinct on it? Mine’s telling me not to. Just let it heal. I think if I’m honest with myself though I should go get it done. He said if I’m athletic in anyway and want to continue to be, I need to have it done… just dreading it…

[IntenseAthlete]

Thanks for all the great advice. As far as legs go, I won't be working them out any time soon. I got jumped a few weeks back by five big dudes. From what I hear I put two of’em in the hospital but they did some damage too. They somehow managed to tear my meniscus in my right knee. Dr. says he wants to do surgery but is leaving it up to me... I dunno how I feel about it... I’m walking fine (almost without a limp except on the real cold days it stiffens up a bit) My main deal is trying not to twist it weird. As long as I can avoid that, I'm relatively pain free. Without getting into too many specifics, what do you guys think? Surgery or not? What's your gut instinct on it? Mine’s telling me not to. Just let it heal. I think if I’m honest with myself though I should go get it done. He said if I’m athletic in anyway and want to continue to be, I need to have it done… just dreading it…

Depending on the tear it will most likely require surgery.If you ever want to moved laterally again with any quickness or lift heavy it could have impact on that as well.See another Doc one that has rep for rehab not cutting people.If he says the same thing you know its a must.Good luck

[IntenseAthlete]

By the way its is a very common surgery.Im a trainer and 1 in 4 ,1 in 3 people I meet have had it done and most have no permant problems

[epno]

Congrats on getting off of the cola. I struggled with that and alcohol for years. I'm in the middle of my first cycle now: Anavar 50 mg ED 8 weeks. It's going well. I've been clean for 15 years, so I was cautious about getting into steriods. I'm not in a hurry to use pins, that's why I stuck with an oral only cycle.

I have a partial tear in the medial meniscus of my left knee, and possibly damage to the bursa. Knee surgeries are common where I live since I'm near several good ski areas. I've been doing physical therapy for my knee over 10 years now. If I do it 4-7 days per week, my knee is good. If I slack off, the knee starts to hurt. That's can be a good way to go if it works for you, but can also be time consuming and require dedication to make it work. If the tear in your meniscus is minor but you need surgery, you may be able to get by with arthroscopic surgery. The recovery time is quick. I found this site that describes knee injuries and treatments: http://www.arthroscopy.com/sp05000.htm . If you have a more significant tear in your meniscus, then you could be non weight bearing on crutches for some time while the stiched up cartilage heals. I agree that a second opinion from a Dr who prefers physical therapy first and surgery second is a good idea. Even with an MRI, there will be different interpretations of the evidence by each Dr who looks at the results.

Good luck

[Pr0t3ct_&_$3rv3]

thanks a ton guys!

[jaysunderstudy]

I really think people are a lil too strict about the whole diet thing. if you were goin to a contest yeah I could see then, but as long as you get in the 22cal/lb and 1.5-2grm protein and 2-3 grm/carbs/lb formula you'll gain. And still have your cheat day as well.

[cheatinistryin]

Thanks for all the great advice. As far as legs go, I won't be working them out any time soon. I got jumped a few weeks back by five big dudes. From what I hear I put two of’em in the hospital but they did some damage too. They somehow managed to tear my meniscus in my right knee. Dr. says he wants to do surgery but is leaving it up to me... I dunno how I feel about it... I’m walking fine (almost without a limp except on the real cold days it stiffens up a bit) My main deal is trying not to twist it weird. As long as I can avoid that, I'm relatively pain free. Without getting into too many specifics, what do you guys think? Surgery or not? What's your gut instinct on it? Mine’s telling me not to. Just let it heal. I think if I’m honest with myself though I should go get it done. He said if I’m athletic in anyway and want to continue to be, I need to have it done… just dreading it…

most likely, u will just need to get it scoped, which isn't such a big deal these days. if u try to just get by with the torn cartilage my guess is you'll end up dealing with it in the future. i've had my knee scoped twice... you'll be walking in about a week and probably back to 100% in 8 weeks. just my .02. good luck

[Kratos]

You may be able to prevent long-term complications, such as osteoarthritis, with successful surgical repair of your tear. Although no long-term studies have proven this, health professionals believe that successful meniscus repair helps to evenly distribute the forces on the knee joint. If the knee is protected from uneven force, there is a lower risk of joint degeneration.

[green22]

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[green22]

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[Cavallino]

130lbs 6'1" coke head?? good thing you stopped