Newbie - 1st cycle help

[Nandos]

Hi,

Firstly many thanks for taking the time to read my 1st post, i apologise in advance if these questions have been answered before but i couldnt find any answers.
I am 31 years old, weigh 80kg, have been training for over 4 years and have diet nailed.
Me and my friend have been researching and would like to start our 1st cycle and have found that test Enanthate is a good bet for a 1st cycle in terms of gains and strength.

From what we both have read most people say to go with 500mg per week of test enanthate for 10 weeks, split up injections 250mg mon/250mg thurs and then take PCT 3 weeks after last inj. for 21 days.
Would we be able to take 1 weekly shot of 500mg instead of taking 2 weekly shots of 250mg?

Also should we run Arimidex or Privirion with this cycle.

Finally as a first timer would it be better if we run rest Enanthate on its own at 500mg every week for 10 weeks or should we stack this with Dbol?

If you think we should stack this with Dbol for better gains when would we start PCT as test Enanthate is run for 10 weeks and Dbol would be anything from 4 - 6 weeks and for how long should we run the Dbol cycle if we should stack it with test Enanthate?

Many thanks for your time and help.

[Amorphic]

test e 500mg/w is a good starter cycle. you should do you injections every 3.5 days to maintain stable blood levels and avoid side effects.

pct is 2 weeks after last inject for enanthate.

get some arimidex and have it on hand in case you are gyno prone.

you could stack it with dbol as a kickstart 40mg/ed for weeks 1-4

you didnt mention pct so i will comment on that, get some nolva and aromasin.

4 weeks of nolva at 20mg/ed and aromasin 15-20mg/ed for the same duration

[shifty_git]

Good first post nandos, looks like ya been doing ya research.

i 2nd what amorphic said.

Weeks 1-4 dbol
Weeks 1-12 test enth (2x250mg)

Week 14 - Start pct

[Nandos]

test e 500mg/w is a good starter cycle. you should do you injections every 3.5 days to maintain stable blood levels and avoid side effects.

pct is 2 weeks after last inject for enanthate.

get some arimidex and have it on hand in case you are gyno prone.

you could stack it with dbol as a kickstart 40mg/ed for weeks 1-4

you didnt mention pct so i will comment on that, get some nolva and aromasin.

4 weeks of nolva at 20mg/ed and aromasin 15-20mg/ed for the same duration

Hi Amorphic,

Many thanks for your reply, so should i not take half a tab of Arimidex everyday as i have read that it will help with water bloat and gyno prevention. I don't know if i am gyno prone as this will be my 1st ever cycle (injection or tablet).

For PCT i was thinking of running the following:

Nolva
day 1 = 60mg
days 2-14=40mg
days 15-21=20mg

Clomid
day 1 = 150mg
days 2-14 = 100mg
days 15-21 =50mg

You also say to get some aromasin, would this be in addition to the above pct?

If i do run Dbol for 4 weeks with test e - would i run Dbol, then start test e alongside and when the 4 weeks of Dbol are over would i continue running test e until the 10 week cycle is over and then start pct or would i start pct after finishing the 4 week of Dbol?

Sorry for being so naive and dumb.

Thanks

[Nandos]

Good first post nandos, looks like ya been doing ya research.

i 2nd what amorphic said.

Weeks 1-4 dbol
Weeks 1-12 test enth (2x250mg)

Week 14 - Start pct

Many thanks mate,

I understand now how to run the cycle if i do Dbol and test e. :-)

PCT is right at the end and i take Nolva only if gyno symptoms start.

I just need to work out if i should take half a tab of arimidex everyday and if i need to take aromasin during pct and if so what dosage?

Thanks

[Amorphic]

Hi Amorphic,

Many thanks for your reply, so should i not take half a tab of Arimidex everyday as i have read that it will help with water bloat and gyno prevention. I don't know if i am gyno prone as this will be my 1st ever cycle (injection or tablet).

For PCT i was thinking of running the following:

Nolva
day 1 = 60mg
days 2-14=40mg
days 15-21=20mg

Clomid
day 1 = 150mg
days 2-14 = 100mg
days 15-21 =50mg

You also say to get some aromasin, would this be in addition to the above pct?

If i do run Dbol for 4 weeks with test e - would i run Dbol, then start test e alongside and when the 4 weeks of Dbol are over would i continue running test e until the 10 week cycle is over and then start pct or would i start pct after finishing the 4 week of Dbol?

Sorry for being so naive and dumb.

Thanks

you can take arimidex at .5mg ed throughout but it will hinder your gains. you can start your cycle and run it at .5mg e4d or so and see how you respond to the levels of estrogen, and adjust accordingly if it is not suffiecient.

with the dbol, you run the dbol from weeks 1-4 and then stop, you continue the test e until week 12.

so its a total of 12 weeks of test and 4 of dbol.

clomid has fallen out of favor recently as it can make many users emotional and cause eye damage. aromasin and nolva together is very effective, but you can use the nolva and clomid if you please.

[shifty_git]

Many thanks mate,

I understand now how to run the cycle if i do Dbol and test e. :-)

PCT is right at the end and i take Nolva only if gyno symptoms start.

I just need to work out if i should take half a tab of arimidex everyday and if i need to take aromasin during pct and if so what dosage?

Thanks

With ya pct most people will say go with an AI and a SERM.. (look up this thread) http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=94545

So nolva and aromasin.... if that is what you have.

Keep the arimidex (or you could go with nolva if this is what you have / will have as using in ya pct) on hand through ya cycle, but only take it if you feel the need 2, as everyone is different and some need 2, some dont.

[dupa95]

I am not hyjackin this thread. But if I bought my clomid from loin and I will. But for this pct we are talkin about here how many bottles of clomid will I nee to buy?

[Amorphic]

I am not hyjackin this thread. But if I bought my clomid from loin and I will. But for this pct we are talkin about here how many bottles of clomid will I nee to buy?

add up the total amount of clomid on pct and then check the concentration of the bottle to see how many total mg are in the bottle.

[dupa95]

Ok can do but i was hopin to get spoon feed

[dupa95]

Ok I think I got it there are 70 /35 mg doses in the clomi bottle i need 2 bottles. Then on the tamox there are 50/ 20 mg doses so I need 1 bottle. Do I have it ????????????

[dupa95]

A BUMP for a answer

[dupa95]

A BUMP for a answer

[Amorphic]

what is the total amount of clomid and nolva you are using in pct dupa?

[dupa95]

would be the one here posted

[shifty_git]

well if you follow the anthony roberts pct for just the nolva..

nolva for 6 weeks @ 20mg per day

20 x 7 x 6 = 840mg

AR's nolva is 50ml x 20mg = 1000mg

So u will need ONE bottle with 160mg (8ml) spare

Clomid - well all depends on how much ya ganna use and for how long.

If your following what was said in the this thread then....

150mg + (13 x 100mg) + (7 x 50mg) = 150mg + 1300mg + 350mg = 1800mg

AR's Clomid is 70ml x 35mg = 2450mg

So ONE bottle with 650mg (18.5ml) spare

[dupa95]

I got it now thanks guys. I have alot of truble with these types of conversions thanks again