1st cycle test enth

[bigbyrne]

Ive trained naturally for many years and decided to jump to the darkside and do a course of AAS

This will be my first course and am looking for lean gains in size and strengh i am a newbie and a scaredy cat when it comes to needles so the less jabbing the better

i was thinking

Testosterone Enthanate 250mg p/w for 10 weeks

Clomid for pct

I am 24, trained naturally for many years, diet is good, BF 15%, 5'6 175lbs, male

Questions i have, do you think this would be ok for a 1st course?
How long and what dose should clomid be run?
Would one 250mg jab per week be enough..could you see any probs with this?
Would i need hcg? This has been mentioned but as i am running 250mg only dont think i'll need it...what do you think??
Is it worth getting Arimidex at this low dose, i am guessing clomid would be enough for pct

[liquid2198]

ok first off, i dont think doing aas is coming to the darkside! lol....but ok to help ya out...test for a first cycle is perfect bro.....250 a wk is low, i would do 400-500mg/wk as a first time....i guess you have one bottle, i woudl suggest to get another and do 500/wk....do 2 shots a wk, if anything have a buddy shoot for you, not a big deal, trust me. i would run an AI (maybe get liquidex or aromasin) run this .25mg/day (if using liquidex have to use the search button for the dosage of aromasin, ive never used that compound) for the whole cycle and continue into the end of pct. for pct i would add nolvadex to the equation as well, you have to start pct 2 wks after your last shot....

also make sure your diet and lifting is in check when you are on, a lot of guys forget that diet is the MOST important aspect to the equation,

best of luck bro, keep us posted on your gains. any more questions, dont hesitate!

good luck

[rodgerj]

Ive trained naturally for many years and decided to jump to the darkside and do a course of AAS

This will be my first course and am looking for lean gains in size and strengh i am a newbie and a scaredy cat when it comes to needles so the less jabbing the better

i was thinking

Testosterone Enthanate 250mg p/w for 10 weeks

Clomid for pct

I am 24, trained naturally for many years, diet is good, BF 15%, 5'6 175lbs, male

Questions i have, do you think this would be ok for a 1st course?
How long and what dose should clomid be run?
Would one 250mg jab per week be enough..could you see any probs with this?
Would i need hcg? This has been mentioned but as i am running 250mg only dont think i'll need it...what do you think??
Is it worth getting Arimidex at this low dose, i am guessing clomid would be enough for pct

Hey Bro,

I am in the same boat as you man and have exactly the same plan. I don't have the needle fear but from what I have read Test E is the way to go. Especially for a first run. Some say that it is best to stack anabolic and androgenic substances as there is a receptor for each. Personally when I finally get a source I will just go with Test E for my first time though.

Now from what I have read, 250mg is not going to cut it. 500mg pw seems to be the best start. Also I would look at your PCT a little more as Test E has some shitty sides but is the best for turning into a mass monster. Clomid will help with testicle shutdown but I would get some Arimidex as an anti bitch tit, and Fincar or Proscar (finasteride) for potential hair loss. Also watch the cholesterol as another side is that it increases.

Here is a good cycle. It is not mine and come from another source that I will gladly post a link too if I am allowed?

Weeks 1-10:
*500mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day


Week 11:
*300mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 12:
*200mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 13:
*1.25mg of finasteride per day
*.25mg of Arimidex every other day
*100mg of clomid every day

Week 14:
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
*50mg of clomid every day

BTW I have never used so have no experience other then text book right now.........

[bigbyrne]

Thanks guys one other questions i have is how do you store the vial of test? if i was using 250p/w that one vial would last 10 weeks...so where do you keep it for 10 weeks??

[rodgerj]

K, now I show my lack of knowledge.... I though it came in 250mg vials so I always thought one vial is one use? Perhaps I have been wrong? In which case I would not need the 20+ I was thinking I did and consequently it might be cheaper to do this then I thought? Back to the library for me.....

Forgot to add...... At room temp or between 59 and 86 degrees F (15 and 30 degrees C). Store away from heat, moisture, and light.

[topnotch]

rodger, your thinking of an amp...an amp is usually 1 ml....a vial is usually 10 ml...but as everyone said, 250mg/week is pretty low...i'd get an extra vial...store it at room temperature...

[kfrost06]

You will notice gains from 250mg/wk just nothing huge. You should have some nolva/clomid on hand before you start. You will need it for PCT and may need it during cycle for gyno. Getting gyno from such a low dose is unlikely but not unheard of so always have some on hand. Having an AI like a-dex may be better, look into ar-r.com for these compounds. Seriously have some on hand because it's better to be safe then sorry.

GL

[rodgerj]

rodger, your thinking of an amp...an amp is usually 1 ml....a vial is usually 10 ml...but as everyone said, 250mg/week is pretty low...i'd get an extra vial...store it at room temperature...

Ahhh I get it.... No I actually thought one vial was a 250 hit! phuck that could of been nasty. So 1 ML yields 250 mg hence the 250mg/ml on the pack....


Hey bigbyrne please post your results on this cycle when you end it as its what I plan to do myself.....

[bigbyrne]

will Do, slight changes after speaking to a few people i may now go for
250mg every 5 days giving me 350mg per week
which seems sensible as its still not a massive dose for a first cycle, the worry i had with just doing 250 p/w was the drop in hormone levels that could happen between jabs, so taking 250 every 5 days would illiminate this concern, so it would be

Test enthanate 250mg every 5 days for 8-10 weeks
with clomid starting 2 weeks after the last jab for pct

What do you think..seems like a simple enough course for a 1st cycle

[redz]

I started my first cycle yesterday and I am doing 250mg twice per week of test E and taking dbol 40mg. You should be fine with 350mg most will say thats low but it would be good to see how you react to it. My first injection went perffectly last night you have nothing to worry about just do lots of research on injecting and you'll be fine. Good luck!

[largerthannormal]

dude ur gonna come up short if u only have 1 10ml vial 250mg/ml .. mathmatically it comes out correct but u always loose a bit in the needle each time..i would consider upping to 500mg and just order 3 vials..just my opinion..not gonna see any significant gains on 250 im thinkin! plus after you start ur gonna wish u were higher.

[KJSolid]

I agree with larger. It seems that the vials end up having about 9 and a half c's in them by the time you are done with it. I personally do not have a problem with the 375 though. If it is your first cycle, you will see some growth. Good Luck. You still need another bottle though.

[legobricks]

You dont need nor do you want an AI for this cycle. Test at 250mg per week is a low dose and as stated you will see gains but nothing huge. Bump it up to 500mg per week and keep a SERM handy like nolvadex (tamoxifen citrate on ar-r.com) Arimidex is too powerful of a substance for a cycle like this. It is an AI which means aromatose inhibitor and basically cuts the estrogen and a stong rate. This will reduce estrogen so drastically that your gains may not become as good as you wanted, nor your lifts will go up that much. Estrogen is a key hormone in muscle building and strength. So in reality you DO want some estrogen conversion from the testosterone. This is why a SERM (selective estrogen replacing modulator) is often used. It does not stop estrogen production but instead replaces it so your body still produces it and some test will still convert but the serm will fight for the receptors in your body. This still allows some estrogen to act in the role of muscle building.

[largerthannormal]

100% lego Nolva all the way.. clomid should not be ran for anything i would take it out of the picture. if u need a better explination let me now. ill send u a link to why and how estrogen plays a huge role in the muscle building process. plus yeah up the test to 500 pw its a weak compound by itself anyway

[largerthannormal]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


check it foo! lol

[rodgerj]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209758


check it foo! lol

This is where the confusion for a newbie like me comes. The AR PCT is some great info. But it is stating that we need a SERM, AI and HGC. I guess it depends on the cycle right? so, for a Test E only cycle like this we only need Nolva to cover everything? (20mg ed?).

If so, what about bitch tits and other sides? Is it a good idea to have somthing on else hand? I am going to do the same cycle (with 500mg) but already have some titage from my teens. Growing boobies is not acceptable, neither is acne really. If teenage girls start getting envious of your baps it might be time to look at your PCT right?

[samcam]

will Do, slight changes after speaking to a few people i may now go for
250mg every 5 days giving me 350mg per week
which seems sensible as its still not a massive dose for a first cycle, the worry i had with just doing 250 p/w was the drop in hormone levels that could happen between jabs, so taking 250 every 5 days would illiminate this concern, so it would be

Test enthanate 250mg every 5 days for 8-10 weeks
with clomid starting 2 weeks after the last jab for pct

What do you think..seems like a simple enough course for a 1st cycle

That looks good to me bro. My first cycle I ran 400mg for just 9 weeks and put on 25lbs. You are going to get many, many responses, it's personal preference. I feel the less anabolics you can get away with the better. As for PCT, this is how I run it and have very little strength loss, I also run Arimidex @ .25mg/ED throughtout cycle.

My PCT: 2 weeks after last Test inj.
week 1: 40mg Nolva, 100mg Clomid
week 2: 30mg Nolva, 50mg Clomid
week 3: 20mg Nolva, 50 mg Clomid

[bigbyrne]

25lbs..jesus thats a lot...how much did you keep
thanks Samcam

[largerthannormal]

nolva will also keep the estogen related signs down u wont need anythng else on hand..just use it as needed..if u see acne or gyno start to occur , then keep on the nolv daily until signs go away! if they gyno doesnt go away then hit up letro!

[RANA]

I am looking to start 500mg of Test for 12 weeks. I have read that the best results are 250mg every 3 days, what do you guys think, just stick to injecting on Monday and Thursday or go every 3rd day?

[rodgerj]

I am looking to start 500mg of Test for 12 weeks. I have read that the best results are 250mg every 3 days, what do you guys think, just stick to injecting on Monday and Thursday or go every 3rd day?

I thought best results were from 250ml Monday and another 250 Thursday.

[RANA]

Big, did you ever do your cycle?

[bigbyrne]

Hey guys dont get on here much but i'll try to keep you posted every few weeks, im 2 weeks in of iranian Test enth doing 250 p/w i'll let you know how i get on

[RANA]

Hey guys dont get on here much but i'll try to keep you posted every few weeks, im 2 weeks in of iranian Test enth doing 250 p/w i'll let you know how i get on

Only 250 EW? Let us know how it goes, Did you use a kicker?

[bigbyrne]

nope...all seems to be going good so far definetly feeling stronger and bigger only put a few pounds on but its still early days 4 weeks in as of today.....can anyone see any probs in bumping this to 500 in a couple of weeks if im not happy with the progress?

[shifty_git]

if your still sticking to 10 weeks id up it now or not at all...

[rodgerj]

Hey guys dont get on here much but i'll try to keep you posted every few weeks, im 2 weeks in of iranian Test enth doing 250 p/w i'll let you know how i get on

Great! - good luck man. I am on week 2 (forth shot) of my first cycle of Test E at 500 pw. We should compare results!

Are you doing Glute injects?

BTW I would up 2 500 now......

[eff_haters]

Hey Bro,

I am in the same boat as you man and have exactly the same plan. I don't have the needle fear but from what I have read Test E is the way to go. Especially for a first run. Some say that it is best to stack anabolic and androgenic substances as there is a receptor for each. Personally when I finally get a source I will just go with Test E for my first time though.

Now from what I have read, 250mg is not going to cut it. 500mg pw seems to be the best start. Also I would look at your PCT a little more as Test E has some shitty sides but is the best for turning into a mass monster. Clomid will help with testicle shutdown but I would get some Arimidex as an anti bitch tit, and Fincar or Proscar (finasteride) for potential hair loss. Also watch the cholesterol as another side is that it increases.

Here is a good cycle. It is not mine and come from another source that I will gladly post a link too if I am allowed?

Weeks 1-10:
*500mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day


Week 11:
*300mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every other day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 12:
*200mg testosterone per week
*1 quarter tablet of Fincar per day (1.25mg)
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every other day (0.25mg)
*1 tablet of clomid every day (50mg)
*320mg of standardized Saw Palmetto Extract per day

Week 13:
*1.25mg of finasteride per day
*.25mg of Arimidex every other day
*100mg of clomid every day

Week 14:
*1 quarter tablet of Arimidex every 3rd day (0.25mg)
*50mg of clomid every day

BTW I have never used so have no experience other then text book right now.........

so is this a good cycle for sure? If I am looking for mass and strength should I use this for my first cycle? And is the arimidex and finasteride necessary?

[Big]

so is this a good cycle for sure? If I am looking for mass and strength should I use this for my first cycle? And is the arimidex and finasteride necessary?

I thought you got great advice here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=330868
I'm guessing you plan to keep asking until someone tells you what you want to hear, right?

[Njord]

That's a stupid cycle imo. No need to taper the test dosage down. No need to run the a-dex throughout the whole cycle. No need to run clomid during cycle. Just a big mess.

[rodgerj]

That's a stupid cycle imo. No need to taper the test dosage down. No need to run the a-dex throughout the whole cycle. No need to run clomid during cycle. Just a big mess.

Yes I agree. When I wrote that I had mostly done my researching on

Since joining this board I understand why that is a load of shit. If you did that it would be a waste of money and limit your gains. Its all on the board man. Apologies for posting that shit. Still a newbie man......

[eff_haters]

Yes I agree. When I wrote that I had mostly done my researching on

Since joining this board I understand why that is a load of shit. If you did that it would be a waste of money and limit your gains. Its all on the board man. Apologies for posting that shit. Still a newbie man......

so how have you corrected that cycle plan and what are your goals for taking these?

[rodgerj]

so how have you corrected that cycle plan and what are your goals for taking these?

Not gonna go into it here as it ain't my thread. I'll start my own.

[bigbyrne]

Wow ive been thread hijacked...lol

Great! - good luck man. I am on week 2 (forth shot) of my first cycle of Test E at 500 pw. We should compare results!

Are you doing Glute injects?

BTW I would up 2 500 now......

1st one was a glute one and it was horrible i nearly passed out, i think iwas nervous though, all others since then have been upper outer quad and have been fine since, im getting used to it now

Im doing quite well with 250 at the mo i think, my weight is up by 6 pounds all lifts are up too