what test to use

[admirals56]

hey everybody i have a question for a first cycle. i was onicialy going to use sustanon 250 eod but now am thinking on using tri test. wat do you guys think? should i stick with sustanon eod or should i go with tri test e3d?

[peachfuzz]

neither. go with Test E or Test C for a first cycle. EOD injections will get old real quick. not a fan of blends anyway.

[peachfuzz]

neither. go with Test E or Test C for a first cycle. EOD injections will get old real quick. not a fan of blends anyway.

[IM MACHO]

test e every 3 days at 500mgs a week! what kind of pct will u be using?

[admirals56]

pct is 20mgs nolva for 5 wks

[basshead69]

That is not a good PCT you need clomid in there and go with Test e of Cyp for a first cycle trust me sustanon is a pain in the ass with the eod injections and more sides.

[admirals56]

i dont want to use clomid because of the sides though wat else can i run. its a low dose and im young so my natty test should be back up quick

[rodgerj]

i dont want to use clomid because of the sides though wat else can i run. its a low dose and im young so my natty test should be back up quick

Yes this is a good question I want to hear the answer too myself. Clomid and Nova are supposed to be pointless to use together because they do the same thing (read the Anthony Roberts P.C.T.). I personally am going to use Nova, HGC and Letro with Vit E (only doing a Test E cycle). Now that might be over kill but I am basing it on the Antony Robbins PCT. I just can't afford the Aromasin so substituting with the Letro. Might be a bad idea though as the Nova will decrease the blood plasma levels of Letro.

So, back to your question.... can someone once and for all give a reason for using Clomid and Nova together? or is AR right?

" Nolvadex and Clomid are both SERMs, they are actually quite different. As you already know, Nolvadex is highly anti-estrogenic at the hypothalamus and pituitary, while Clomid exhibits weak estrogenic activity at the pituitary (7), which as you can guess, is less than ideal. It should be avoided for the PCT I’m suggesting…and in fact, avoided in general…it’s simply not as good as Nolvadex." -- Anthony Roberts

[No One Knows]

Nolva and aromasin are fine for pct

[largerthannormal]

i just ran nolva and was fine on a test only cycle! kept most everything too

[admirals56]

ok and i was wondering for a first cycle if i did use sustanon 250 eod at 436 mgs a week for 10 weeks. ate 6k cals and 500g protien with alot of carbs and fat do you think i coud gain 30 pounds. right now i gained 10 pounds in 11 weeks so far from my diet and im upping it 500 cals for this cycle?

[basshead69]

Yes as long as your traing hard enough and your diet is perfect diet is the most important thing and thats where alot of people go wrong but if you have gained 11 pounds from your diet I would save my money and keep traing naturally until you cant gain anymore then I would use aas jmo.

[legobricks]

30lbs no. Well depends on how much you weigh, and HOW OLD YOU ARE???? So you say you are young, how young. And what are your stats, weight, height, lifting experience, bf%. This will help us determine whether or not youll gain those 30lbs.
Your more focused on diet and not on juice inthis situation which is good! Too many guys think the more juice you use the bigger youll get. Nolvadex for PCT is NOT SUFFICIENT!!! Anthony Roberts post is a little out of date I believe or he was proved wrong. Yes Nolvadex is better at bringing back your natty test levels per mg compared to clomid...BUT using one by itself is trying to take on 2 jobs at once and iwll be in-efficient. Thats why nolva and clomid should be used together. OR Nolva and aromasin for those who cant handle the clomid sides. 436mg of sustanon a week? that is very odd number...

[admirals56]

well i am 19 6'4 245 13% bf and 5 years serious training 8 years training

[legobricks]

Wow you are a big boy!

Well at least like I have stated you have a knowledge about diet and training. Everyone is going to tell you tho that at your age you shouldn't be considering anabolics and instead going all natural. It is unltimately your decision in the end but listen to the advice that we will be giving you. You still have a great natural amount of testosterone running though your body and it seems you have grown quite well and took advantage of it throughout your teenage years! Congrats on that part!

[admirals56]

haha lol ok but i have reasons to do so d1 college football

[The Deuce]

d1 college huh?? No shit.. I wish I had gotten that oppurtunity... well good luck to ya man !! And Yah IMO bro if you felt like if it was right once you got the knowledge of aas then go ahead and do what you want .. I started about 19 for my first cycle and well I loved it.. grant it I didnt cycle again until I was 24 but hey it was a great experience and I appreciated the benefits big time... Hey I say do what you want its your life live it like you wanna live it as long as you know the pros and cons of every situation. Like I said man Good Luck.

[admirals56]

d1 college huh?? No shit.. I wish I had gotten that oppurtunity... well good luck to ya man !! And Yah IMO bro if you felt like if it was right once you got the knowledge of aas then go ahead and do what you want .. I started about 19 for my first cycle and well I loved it.. grant it I didnt cycle again until I was 24 but hey it was a great experience and I appreciated the benefits big time... Hey I say do what you want its your life live it like you wanna live it as long as you know the pros and cons of every situation. Like I said man Good Luck.

thanx i apreciate ive been talkin to the coach and he says i have an opertunity to start as a freshman