Help With Lean Bulk Stack

[M302_Imola]

I have been lurking for a while now trying to plan my next cycle. My history is as follows: 1st cycle – Test Cyp 250 mg/week for 8 weeks, 2nd cycle – Test Enanthate 500 mg/week for 8 weeks, 3rd cycle – Test Acetate 50mg/EOD for weeks 1-4, Test Enanthate 250mg/week for weeks 1-10, Tren Acetate 50mg/EOD for weeks 1-6. My stats are: 5’10” 200 lbs. with approximately 12 % body fat (educated guess). My goals with this particular cycle is to gain about 10 lbs. of lean muscle, drop body fat by 2-3%, and develop more definition. My diet is clean for the most part with the occasional cheat on the weekends. Around 3,000-3,2000 calories, with the traditional split of 40% protein, 40% complex carbs, and 20% EFA.
Future Cylce:
Test Enanthate 500mg/week, weeks1-10
Tren Enanthate 400mg/week, weeks 1-8
D-bol 30mg/week, weeks 1-4
PCT: Nolvadex, possibly HCG, with Caber on hand, thought about arimidex but scared that lack of estrogen will hinder my gains.
Do you guys think the D-bol is overkill and will lead to water retention? Or possibly run the D-bol at a lower dosage to help with water retention?
I have also thought about replacing the Tren with NPP, thoughts?
Also, I didn't really have any negative side affects with the Tren Acetate I just hated sticking myself EOD, so thought Tren Enan would be better for me.
Any help would be awesome guys, I know there are some experts out there with a lot of insight.

[mx3]

your cycle looks good but even for a lean bulk your cals should be at least 3500-4000 clean cals ed. If you dont like the frequent injections then you wont like npp. I think dbol is a great additioin to that cycle but if you dont want the bloat I would drop it.

[M302_Imola]

Thanks for the reply, I guess I need to up the calories. I heard that with NPP you can inject every three days, not sure if that is true but if so that wouldn't be that frequent. If I get some bloat from the D-bol weeks 1-4 will this bloat diminish as I finish my cycle?

[The Deuce]

Yah cycle looks ****ing sexy bro... yah If it were me.. I would leave the dbols out maybe just for shits and giggles... some tbol wouldnt be bad.. I love the stuff honestly... they are involved in my next cycle... yessum !! I dunno its up to you.. it looks fine but you could definitely tweak it if you chose to do so.

[M302_Imola]

T-bol?

[The Deuce]

Yah T-Bol here look...

I hope its ok to post this here... if I get yelled at Its my bad ... I dont think it breaks any rules..

Oral-Turinabol is an oral steroid which was developed during the early 1960"s.

OT has a predominantly anabolic effect which is combined with a relatively low androgenic component. On a scale of 1 to 100 the androgenic effect is very low only a 6- and the anabolic effect is 53. (In comparison: the androgenic effect of Dianabol is 45 and its anabolic effect is 90.) Oral-Turinabol thus has milligram for milligram a lower effect than Dianabol. It is therefore not a steroid that causes a rapid gain in strength, weight, and muscle mass. Rather, the achievable results manifest themselves in a solid muscle gain and, if taken over several weeks, also in a good strength gain. The athlete will certainly not get a puffy look as is the case with Testosterone, Dianabol, and Anadrol 50. The maximum blood concentration of Oral-Turinabol when taking 10, 20 or 40 mg/day is 1.5 -3.5 or 4.5 times the endogenous testosterone concentration (also see Dianabol). This clearly shows that the effectiveness of this compound strongly depends on the dosage.

0.4 x pound (body weight) x days = number of tablets to take overall during the interval of intake
mg / tablet

An athlete wei***ng 200 pounds would take only 2 tablets of 10 mg (20mg/day.) Bodybuilders take 8-10 tablets of 5 mg, that is 40-50 mg/day. Many enthusiastically report good results with this dosage: one builds a solid muscle mass, the strength gain is worthwhile seeing, the water retention is very low, and the estrogen caused side effects are rare. Not without good reason OT is also popular among powerlifters and weightlifters who appreciate these characteristics.

Due to its characteristics OT is also a suitable steroid both for men and women in competitions. A usually very effective stack for male bodybuilders consists of 50 mg OT/day, 228 mg Parabolan/week, and 150 mg Winstrol Depot/week. Those who have brought their body fat content to a low level by dieting and/or by using fatburning substances (e.g. Clenbuterol, Ephedrine, Salbutamol, Cytomel, Triacana), will find that the above steroid combination will manifest itself in hard, sharply defined but still dense and full muscles. No enlarged breasts, no estrogen surplus, and no watery, puffy looking muscle system. If OT were available on the U.S. black market for steroids, bodybuilders, powerlifters, and weightlifters would go crazy for this East German anabolic.

OT enjoys a great popularity since it is quickly broken down by the body and the metabolites are excreted relatively quickly through the urine. The often posed question regarding how many days before a test OT can be taken in order to be "clean" is difficult to answer specifically or in general. We know from a reli-able source that athletes who only take OT as a steroid and who, in part, take dosages of 10- 15 tablets/day, have discontinued the com-pound exactly five days before a doping test and tested negative. These indications are supported by the fact that even positive urine analyses have rarely mentioned the names Oral-Turinabol or chlordehydromethyl-testosterone.

The potential side effects of OT usually depend on the dosage level and are gender-specific. in women, depending on their predisposition, the usual virilization symptoms occur and increase when dosages of more than 20 mg per day are taken over a prolonged time. In men the already discussed reduced testosterone production can rarely be avoided. Gynecomastia occurs rarely with OT Since the response of the water and electrolyte household is not overly dis-tinct athletes only rarely report water retention and high blood pressure. Acne, gastrointestinal pain, and uncontrolled aggressive behavior are also the exception rather than the rule with OT An increased libido is reported in most cases by both sexes. Since the substance chlordehydromethyltestosterone is 17-alpha alkylated the manufacturer in its package insert recommends that the liver func-tion be checked regularly since it can be negatively affected by high dosages and the risk of possible liver damage cannot be excluded. Thus OT is also a steroid that can be taken without interruption for long intervals. Studies of male athletes who over a period of six weeks were given 10 mg OT/day did not show any indications of health-threatening effects.

[M302_Imola]

Any others have any comments? T-Bol or D-Bol? How hard is it to find T-Bol? How long would you run T-Bol for with the proposed cycle above (minus the D-Bol of course)?

[M302_Imola]

Help a brotha out!

[passthetest]

for lean 10 lbs i think you should try test with either deca or eq very attainable and u havent used either compound if i read corrctly

[The Deuce]

Any others have any comments? T-Bol or D-Bol? How hard is it to find T-Bol? How long would you run T-Bol for with the proposed cycle above (minus the D-Bol of course)?

T-bol isn't ridiculously hard to find and I personally like 6 weeks of T-Bol .. I am really nervous with Orals.. I always have been. I cherish my liver to an extent.

[M302_Imola]

for lean 10 lbs i think you should try test with either deca or eq very attainable and u havent used either compound if i read corrctly

I thought about deca but I am worried about the water weight associated with it. I thought about NPP but not sure I will like the frequent injections plus I am not sure I can find it. So you don't recommend a Test E + Tren E?

[duramaxedge]

** I have never used Tren Enanthe.. With that being said.. Im running on logic here.. Since Test E has the same ester I would presume it would have the same half life and active life.. With that being said.. Seems like the Tren wouldnt hit you until week 5.. so your only running 3 weeks at full dose of Tren E? Why not run your test 12 weeks.. and run the Tren E 10 weeks??

I think I would also run the Dbol at the begging.. For what its worth you have a full stack? Test, 19-nor, and DHT compounds?

[mx3]

I didn't catch the cycle length. I agree with duramax run the tren e for 10 wks, test for 12. And yes when you stop taking the dbol the water weight will start to fade and an ai can be added to minimize bloat.

[M302_Imola]

Thanks for the comments guys! One more question would a lower dose (say 20mg or 30mg) of d-bol still give me nice gains without as much water retention?

[M302_Imola]

bumpity, bump

[M302_Imola]

Help me out with the question above ^^

[The Deuce]

Take 40mg a day at least bro...

[M302_Imola]

This is my first time using an oral, so 40mg isn't to much?

[mx3]

40mg ed is fine and I wouldn't take less imo.