Nolva, Arimidex or Letro?

[noddy1]

Hi guys,

Back into my new cycle for the year, been on for only two weeks and already my gyno has flared up again! What are your opinions on anti e's and affeting gains? I have three option, Nolva, Arimidex or Letro, all of them i have plenty of but im scared of my gains stopping if i eliminate estrogen too much...

My cycle

700mg prop EW
400mg Deca EW
300mg Tren EW
4iu HGH ED
5iu Slin ED

What should i do? My main worry is inhibiting gains. i appreciate any advice or help given!

P.S apart from a bit of gyno my first two weeks have absolutly rocked!!

Noddy

[Kale]

you want tits or you want gains ? Pretty obvious choice to me, and you wont lose that much in gains anyway regardless of what is said around here. Go into 0.25mg of Adex ED and see how that goes

[miboleron]

well only nolva can stop deca sides, it is the weakest from this group and i am not sure if it will help you enough losing gino. My advice is go for nolva 20 mg a day and aridimex 0.25 for a week and when you have no gino switch only to nolva 10 mg a day.

[Kale]

well only nolva can stop deca sides, it is the weakest from this group and i am not sure if it will help you enough losing gino. My advice is go for nolva 20 mg a day and aridimex 0.25 for a week and when you have no gino switch only to nolva 10 mg a day.

Thats not true, deca gyno is progesterone based and not estrogen based

[miboleron]

thats why nolva can help it can block prog receptors as well.

[M302_Imola]

For prog sides you should have Caber on hand

[getfit28]

Letro alwasy worked for me & it really did not hinder any of my gains so If I were you I'd jump on letro.... DO NOT do noval with deca

[KeepingItBalanced]

Nolva and 19-nors at teh same time are a no no.... save the nolva for PCT!

[Kratos]

For prog sides you should have Caber on hand

You can't block progesterone, unless you have some morning after pill (way to expensive to use on cycle). Nolva upregulates prog receptors, caber drops prolactin.

[Kratos]

thats why nolva can help it can block prog receptors as well.

nope

[Kratos]

I would take .25mg letro with .25mg arimidex for 1st day. Stay on both until symptoms subside. Continue with just arimidex from there.

[shifty_git]

well only nolva can stop deca sides, it is the weakest from this group and i am not sure if it will help you enough losing gino. My advice is go for nolva 20 mg a day and aridimex 0.25 for a week and when you have no gino switch only to nolva 10 mg a day.

thats why nolva can help it can block prog receptors as well.

very bad advice.... stay away from nolva while on deca and tren......

will make things worse rather than better!

[noddy1]

Thanks guys! I have used Letro in a previous cycle and it seemed after about three or four weeks as if i has no estrogen left and my gains completely stopped! Ill try a low dose of Arim and see if it leaves me with more estrogen...

Q. Has anyone ever left thier gyno and just kept training and banging gear? My gyno has never gotten past being like a small almond shaped lump that makes my nipples pointy in a shirt... and very tender... just wondering if it gets worst or stablises...

Cheers,

Noddy!

[Merc..]

very bad advice.... stay away from nolva while on deca and tren......

will make things worse rather than better!

Yea, nolva increses PgR in breast tissue , and it gives more for the (19 nors) , metabolites to bind to , thus , possibly increasing your chances of getting gyno..



Merc.

[Merc..]

Also keep in mind gyno needs progesterone and other mediators like GH , and IGF to form ... It is not just estrogen..



Merc .

[Merc..]

double post .....

[Kratos]

Q. Has anyone ever left thier gyno and just kept training and banging gear? My gyno has never gotten past being like a small almond shaped lump that makes my nipples pointy in a shirt... and very tender... just wondering if it gets worst or stablises...

Cheers,

Noddy!

If you keep banging you might end up with a similar problem to this guy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c-CxlTMM10E

[Ashop]

Hi guys,

Back into my new cycle for the year, been on for only two weeks and already my gyno has flared up again! What are your opinions on anti e's and affeting gains? I have three option, Nolva, Arimidex or Letro, all of them i have plenty of but im scared of my gains stopping if i eliminate estrogen too much...

My cycle

700mg prop EW
400mg Deca EW
300mg Tren EW
4iu HGH ED
5iu Slin ED

What should i do? My main worry is inhibiting gains. i appreciate any advice or help given!

P.S apart from a bit of gyno my first two weeks have absolutly rocked!!

Noddy

during cycles I would go with the AI like LETRO or ARIMIDEX

[noddy1]

OK ill try Arimidex and see how i go, what is the lowest ED dose that you think could help out without flooring gains too much????????

I have decided against Letro as it was too strong in the past and im hoping Arimidex lowers Estrogen but does not eliminate it like Letro...

Noddy

[Kale]

You will be OK with 0.25mg EOD

[Anaholic]

letro is the way to go.

[magicstick2003]

i usually run letro .5 EOD on cycle and have never had a problem with gains. it only cuts estrogen by like 50 some percent i believe. also i believe B6 can be used for progesterone from deca.

[Merc..]

Like I said its not just estrogen ...


Although estrogens and progestogens are vital to mammary growth, they are ineffective in the absence of anterior pituitary hormones (13). Thus, neither estrogen alone nor estrogen plus progesterone can sustain breast development without other mediators, such as GH and IGF-1, as confirmed by studies involving the administration of estrogen and GH to hypophysectomized and oophorectomized female rats, which resulted in breast ductal development. The GH effects on ductal growth are mediated through stimulation of IGF-1. This is demonstrated by studies of estrogen and GH administration to IGF-1 knockout rats that showed significantly decreased mammary development when compared to age-matched IGF-1- intact controls. Combined estrogen and IGF-1 treatment in these IGF-1 knockout rats restored mammary growth. (23, 40). In addition, Walden et al. demonstrated that GH-stimulated production of IGF-1 mRNA in the mammary gland itself, suggesting that IGF-1 production in the stromal compartment of the mammary gland acts locally to promote breast development (49). Furthermore, other data indicates that estrogen promotes GH secretion and increased GH levels, stimulating the production of IGF-1, which synergizes with estrogen to induce ductal development.

Check out the entire study here
http://www.endotext.org/male/male14/male14.htm


Merc.

[noddy1]

Ok i feel as if i about to have a whige but i have been using Arimidex @ 0.25mg ED and my gyno has only gotten worse... But F**K im growing lol love that Tren!!

Anyway two things, up the Arimidex to 0.5mg ED or start letro at 0.3 ED and ditch Arimidex?

Please give me some feedback as i would realy like to get on top of it!!

[GOBAL]

What we must do to the gyne owed by tren or deca?????

[Merc..]

What we must do to the gyne owed by tren or deca?????

If you are very gyno prone when using a 19 nor... It might be best to use letro and caber.. Keep in mind letro has been shown to lower PgR ( and of course works on estrogen) ..



Merc.

[GOBAL]

If you are very gyno prone when using a 19 nor... It might be best to use letro and caber.. Keep in mind letro has been shown to lower PgR ( and of course works on estrogen) ..



Merc.

arimidex is completely useless for gyno by 19-nor??? thank merc.!

[Merc..]

arimidex is completely useless for gyno by 19-nor??? thank merc.!

No Adex is not completely useless ( with a 19 nor)..... Letro is just more effective....


Merc.

[M302_Imola]

If you are very gyno prone when using a 19 nor... It might be best to use letro and caber.. Keep in mind letro has been shown to lower PgR ( and of course works on estrogen) ..



Merc.

Bout to start a cycle of Test E, Tren E, and d-bol (kick start). I am going to run letro .2mg EOD and I also have caber on hand. I am not prone to gyno, with that being said when and at what dose should I take the caber? Should I take caber at all? What are the signs I should look for that reveal I should start adminstrating the caber? Sorry not trying to hijack the OP's thread.

[Mooseman33]

thats why nolva can help it can block prog receptors as well.

scary advice has been given out lately.do you have another acount known as "admiral"..

if you are not 100 percent sure of something, please do not give advice, or at leaset state that u are not sure..
people are going to get hurt.

[noddy1]

All good bro no stress! Im off to have a 1/4 Letro...