thee 1st cycle how important

[BEAMERMAN]

Iam still learning. Want to know every thing about my 1st cycle before I start my first cycle. Ive been doing alot of resourch now and Ive heard people say you only get 1 first cycle (which is true). I was just wondering how important is your first cycle. are you going to see the most gains on the first cycle. Iam thinking of starting with dbol 1st four weeks to help kick it off with a 12 week cycle of test. Yes i do know about pct ill start two weeks after my last inject. my stats are 5ft 11inchs 170lbs 24yo. Iam not looking for anything but for input on how you all think the first cycle is. O Iam looking to gain around 25 pound give or take 5 pounds.

[jAcKeD!!!!]

i find you get your best gains off first cycle.

cycle looks good .
what doses u running your dbol and test at ?

make sure you hav a proper pct for after.

[fugazy]

my first cycle was 300 mgs of deca ew / 8weeks lololohahaha. that was about 5 years ago . now 600mgs of deca is just one of the 6 things im taking each week of a cycle. and the cycles just get longer and longer 16-20 weeks min. i love tren ace, masteron, vars, test suspention and prop and of course a little deca. i hate anadrols! those things are death in a pill. im not big on winny ether. have fun. your opening pandoras box lololololo. have fun and be carefull

[BEAMERMAN]

iam going to run 400 test a week and 40mg of dbol. I dont really want to take deca due to the side effects.

[fugazy]

deca is the one of the mildest steroids and as long as your running it with test deca dick is basicaly imposible. deca is a close to harmless as its gona get and is a great addition to any cycle except with tren. your not suposed to mix them. i love running them together even though every one says im crazy. i just take a little bromo and everythings fine. but anyone would agree, dont stay away from deca cause ur worried about sides. test and dbol are gona give you sides not deca.

[fugazy]

and im not saying not to do test or dbol. im just saying there the ones that may give you sides not deca.

what im saying is test+deca+dbol+adex= nice mass

[Big]

actually deca should be avoided on a first cycle.

[BEAMERMAN]

so you are suggesting using deca instead of dbol to jumpstart it. P.S. 25 pound gain is resonable correct

[fugazy]

actually deca should be avoided on a first cycle.

why? im not saying your wrong i just never herd that. im very curiose

[BEAMERMAN]

yeah that is what i thought not to use deca on the first cycle

[fugazy]

so you are suggesting using deca instead of dbol to jumpstart it. P.S. 25 pound gain is resonable correct

no dbol to jumpstart you can take deca in the cycle

[fugazy]

yeah that is what i thought not to use deca on the first cycle

thats the wierdest thing i ever heard.

[BEAMERMAN]

ok i was confused for a second i thought you were saying use deca instead of dbol to start it. when your saying add deca to the cycle. right?

[Big]

why? im not saying your wrong i just never herd that. im very curiose

I'm old fashioned, personally I think everyone reacts differently to different compounds, so I recommend starting the first cycle with just one compound, taking note of sides, etc, then add a compound on each of the next few cycles. If someone starts with 3 compounds on their first cycle then has an adverse reaction they may not know where the sides specifically came from. Couple that with the fact that with fresh receptors, given proper diet and training, great gains can be made with test only for a first cycle. I agree with you about deca being mild when used properly, and I agree that deca and tren can be a nice mix, again when used properly, but I think people need to give themselves a point to work up to, walk before they run so to speak.

[fugazy]

ok forget the deca. i was just saying you dont have to worry about sides. your dbol and test cycle is fine just make sure to take an anti estrogen.

let me guess your not suposed to take an anti e your first cycle ether? just kidding

[BEAMERMAN]

thats the wierdest thing i ever heard.

well if you read on these forums that is not the first time. that sombody has said that. ive read that in multiple places that you should try to avoid useing deca on the first cycle

[Big]

thats the wierdest thing i ever heard.

it shouldn't be that weird, if you poll most of the vets you will find more people who say test only for a first cycle than say to use deca on a first cycle.
opinions?

[BEAMERMAN]

ok forget the deca. i was just saying you dont have to worry about sides. your dbol and test cycle is fine just make sure to take an anti estrogen.

let me guess your not suposed to take an anti e your first cycle ether? just kidding

lolo

[fugazy]

I'm old fashioned, personally I think everyone reacts differently to different compounds, so I recommend starting the first cycle with just one compound, taking note of sides, etc, then add a compound on each of the next few cycles. If someone starts with 3 compounds on their first cycle then has an adverse reaction they may not know where the sides specifically came from. Couple that with the fact that with fresh receptors, given proper diet and training, great gains can be made with test only for a first cycle. I agree with you about deca being mild when used properly, and I agree that deca and tren can be a nice mix, again when used properly, but I think people need to give themselves a point to work up to, walk before they run so to speak.

ok. i thought you where saying you cant take deca for a first cycle. no your right you shouldnt run 3 things your first time. your very right

[Big]

as for an ai, I would advise only to include that if the situation and sides call for it, not to arbitrarily include it for the duration of the cycle.

[fugazy]

it shouldn't be that weird, if you poll most of the vets you will find more people who say test only for a first cycle than say to use deca on a first cycle.
opinions?

100 % right this just all went in the wrong direction. i was just telling him he could take deca and not to stay away from it because he was worried about sides.

[fugazy]

as for an ai, I would advise only to include that if the situation and sides call for it, not to arbitrarily include it for the duration of the cycle.

his dose is low he might not need it but it should be handy

[Big]

100 % right this just all went in the wrong direction. i was just telling him he could take deca and not to stay away from it because he was worried about sides.

I agree, deca seems to have an aura around it that it's too dangerous to use, personally I love it.

[Big]

his dose is low he might not need it but it should be handy

yup, agreed again, better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

[fugazy]

I agree, deca seems to have an aura around it that it's too dangerous to use, personally I love it.

i never cycle without it. i havent ever herd people saying it was dangerous though. ive taken it from 250mg ew - 800mg ew. never a problem. maybe sore nips when ran with tren at a high dose but bromo clears that right up.

[BEAMERMAN]

so you are recommending for me to have some deca on hand maybe adding it in the last three weeks

[Big]

so you are recommending for me to have some deca on hand maybe adding it in the last three weeks

no, we are recommending you to have an ai like arimidex on hand, forget about the deca for this cycle.

[admirals56]

no deca takes 5 weeks to kick in so it needs to be ran atleast 10 weeks to get moneys worth

[fugazy]

yup, agreed again, better to have it and not need it then to need it and not have it.

cause we both have been caught without something we needed during a cycle. pins, anti e........ lol

[Big]

also, at 5'11" and 170lbs, if you are hoping to bulk you need to look at your diet.

[fugazy]

no deca takes 5 weeks to kick in so it needs to be ran atleast 10 weeks to get moneys worth

i wouldnt take it for less than 10 myself

[fugazy]

i wouldnt take it for less than 10 myself

3 weeks to kick in

[BEAMERMAN]

lol sorry about the confusion so it sounds good 400 test ew 40dbol ew for the first 4weeks

[BEAMERMAN]

for the diet man just got back from overseas when i came back i had lost a lot of weight i weight 145 at one time it and since ive come back ive gained back all that weight and iam pretty sure ill gain more before i start this cycle which wont be for another couple months

[The Deuce]

That sounds a lot better... holy I have never been so confused as I have been reading this thread... wow

[Big]

for the diet man just got back from overseas when i came back i had lost a lot of weight i weight 145 at one time it and since ive come back ive gained back all that weight and iam pretty sure ill gain more before i start this cycle which wont be for another couple months

good deal, keep us posted on your progress.

[juicenchris2989]

wow this was one really confusing thread its bounced all of the place lol poor thread started
just stick to your test and dbol kick starter and keep on learning about aas you got a long way to go lol

[mmmmma]

what is your bodyfat? and what is your long term ideal weight, even if it takes more than a few years or a few cycles?

[BEAMERMAN]

7-10% and my ideal weight is 225