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    Organs to be taken without consent
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    Gordon Brown has thrown his weight behind a move to allow hospitals to take organs from dead patients without explicit consent.

    Writing in The Sunday Telegraph, the Prime Minister says that such a facility would save thousands of lives and that he hopes such a system can start this year.

    The proposals would mean consent for organ donation after death would be automatically presumed, unless individuals had opted out of the national register or family members objected.

    But patients' groups said that they were "totally opposed" to Mr Brown's plan, saying that it would take away patients' rights over their own bodies.

    There are more than 8,000 patients waiting for an organ donation and more than 1,000 a year die without receiving the organ that could save their lives.

    The Government will launch an overhaul of the system next week, which will put pressure on doctors and nurses to identify more "potential organ donors" from dying patients. Hospitals will be rated for the number of deceased patients they "convert" into donors and doctors will be expected to identify potential donors earlier and alert donor co-ordinators as patients approach death.

    But Mr Brown, who carries a donor card, has made it clear he backs an even more radical revamp of the system, which would lead to donation by "presumed consent". The approach is modelled on that of Spain, which has the highest proportion of organ donors in the world.

    "A system of this kind seems to have the potential to close the aching gap between the potential benefits of transplant surgery in the UK and the limits imposed by our current system of consent," Mr Brown writes.

    advertisementHe voted against such a system in 2004 - but sources close to the Prime Minister said last night that the measure proposed then was a much harder version of his latest plan, without families having the final say.

    Patients' groups said that they were appalled by Mr Brown's intervention. "They call it presumed consent, but it is no consent at all," said Joyce Robin, from the watchdog Patient Concern. "They are relying on inertia and ignorance to get the results that they want." She said that the

    Government had made little effort to get people to register to give up organs after death. "Where is the big media campaign, where are the leaflets? Why, when I go to see my GP, doesn't he ask me about organ donation? These are the things they should be doing - not taking away our right to decide what happens to our bodies."

    Katherine Murphy, of the Patients Association charity, agreed. "We don't think a private decision, which is a matter of individual conscience, should be taken by the state. If people want to give the gift of life, that is their right, but it must be something that is a voluntary matter. "

    While polls show 90 per cent of Britons are in favour of organ donation, 40 per cent of relatives refuse consent for the organs of their relatives to be donated, a figure which rises to 75 per cent among black and ethnic minorities. To solve this, the organ taskforce plans measures to boost donation, including putting pressure on doctors to identify patients as potential donors before they have died.

    The taskforce report - to be released on Tuesday - calls for a senior doctor to be appointed in every hospital as a "champion" of donation, along with a lay person to spread the message about the importance of donation locally.

    The force, which is to publish a report on "presumed consent" this summer, hopes its 14 recommendations will lead to 50 per cent more donations in five years.

    It admits to a possible "conflict of interest" between medical staff, trying to save lives and those keen to ensure every possible organ is harvested. Dr Kevin Gunning, an intensive care consultant at Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge, and a member of the UK Transplant's advisory group, said the measures could put doctors and relatives under pressure. "If, as a doctor you have turned your thoughts to your patient being a donor when they are still living, that is a real conflict."

    Dr Bruce Taylor, of the Intensive Care Society warned that early indicators of death were not reliable. "The only way to be sure is to do all the tests which show brain stem death; anything in advance of that is only a prediction."

    But Chris Rudge, of UK Transplant, the authority in charge of organ donation and transplant, insisted patients would not be considered as donors at any point where survival was possible.

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    they can have mine when I am done with them.

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    They can have mine, too. I've got a dandy -- not only have lots of people played on it, but they've heard it, too!

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    I don't understand why people object to their organs being donated. It seems selfish to let somebody die while your organs go to waste.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coop77 View Post
    I don't understand why people object to their organs being donated. It seems selfish to let somebody die while your organs go to waste.
    Some have religious reasons, some fear if they are ID as a potential donor that their doctors or other medical workers will not make every attempt to save their life.

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    I like the idea of donating organs and tissue but taking them from people without their consent or their families consent is wrong.
    Last edited by mcpeepants; 01-14-2008 at 09:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcpeepants View Post
    I like the idea of donating organs and tissue but taking them from people with their consent or their families consent is wrong.
    I thought thats what you meant. LOL
    Last edited by MuscleScience; 01-14-2008 at 09:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MuscleScience View Post
    Did you mean without by chance???
    I meant without their consent. I'll change it above.

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    I don't think people are going to want my organs when I am done with my body (no I don't mean by rec drug use).

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    They can have mine too!! (but I don't think my liver or kidney's will be of much use once I'm done with them)

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    i'm all for organ donation - especially when you hear some heart-warming stories about lives saved by the generosity of others who died. that being said, this is kind of like negative-option marketing where you get charged for something unless you object - i personally think you should consciously have to choose to donate rather than have it be presumed. for some people it really would be considered desecration of the body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wantmoremass View Post
    i'm all for organ donation - especially when you hear some heart-warming stories about lives saved by the generosity of others who died. that being said, this is kind of like negative-option marketing where you get charged for something unless you object - i personally think you should consciously have to choose to donate rather than have it be presumed. for some people it really would be considered desecration of the body.
    The body is desecrated anyway. They gut the body like a fish when they do an autopsy. I don't think you can opt out of that always.

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