high protein the cause of Kidney problems?

[Mike Dura]

After feeling some lower back pain, I decided to get a pelvic and ab sonogram. I found that I have a possible kidney stone and a suspect nodularity to my left kidney. This "nodularity" has me concerned but I have to follow up with questions on that one. I have to get a cats can to confirm the kidney stone (and find out more about the nature of the node) but that would cost 8 Gs plus an interpretation fee and like 1 out of every 7 American's, I have no medical insurance (I'm in the chimney biz).

This has me concerned because a high protein diet is necessary for bodybuilding and the idea that I'd have to give that up is really a kick in the nuts. I'd like to research this kidney and high protein thing further and if anyone knows of any useful links, I'd appreciate that. As far as AAS goes, I've done mostly injectables, like test and I did some clen when dieting. During fall, I drink a bit but I'm not sure to what degree that would factor in.
Up until now, I've been going at it like an immortal but reality hits back harder.

[MuscleScience]

The kidneys more or less process all the extra nitrogen you put into your body that you do not use. I think sometimes as a bodybuilding community we go a little overkill with protein intake. So you probably can still maintain a higher than average protein intake but if you have compromised kidney function very high protein intake puts just another stress on the kidneys. You can have kidney stones and no distress in the kidneys. One way the doctor can tell if your kidneys are under duress is to actually check for protein in your urine. You should have under normal circumstances practically no protein in your urine.

These are all questions that you need to talk to your doctor about because you situation may be different than someone else on the board.

Good Luck to you.

[xtreme171]

Your kidneys are nothing to play with. My older brther is in the hospital right now with end stage renal failure waiting on a donor. I have heard that protein is hard on the kidneys but personally i feel bodybuilders over do it on protein Thats when the problems occur.

[Renesis]

So you drank during a cycle and a high protein diet, ouch. I obviously am not gonna say anymore towards that as you are already hurt from it so lets get on to high protein and kidneys. Like musclescience said your kidneys deal with this. That is another reason why it is important to stay very well hydrated by drinking over a gallon of water a day. Drinking obviously dehydrates you which is bad.

Check this out:

High protein diets are popular once again, with supporters claiming that they promote weight loss. Two recent studies suggest that, at least for some people, high dietary protein can have harmful effects on kidney function. In the first study, researchers from Harvard University looked at protein intakes of more than 1,600 older women. They also evaluated the women's kidney function using a measurement called the glomerular filtration rate, or GFR. Dietary protein had no significant effect on kidney function in women who had normal kidney function at the start of this study. However, in women with mild impairment of kidney function, a higher total protein intake (median of 92 grams per day, compared to 61 grams per day) was associated with a faster decline in kidney function. This was especially true for protein from meat, fish, poultry, and eggs. These results certainly suggest that women with some impairment of kidney function should avoid high protein diets and that there may be some advantage to use of plant proteins as compared to animal proteins.

The second study looked at both men and women, aged 20 to 80 years. This time microalbuminuria was measured. Microalbuminuria refers to a small increase in albumin, a protein, in the urine and indicates a problem with kidney function. Microalbuminuria is also associated with increased risk of stroke and heart attacks. In people without high blood pressure or diabetes, dietary protein was not associated with microalbuminuria. However, in people with both high blood pressure and diabetes, high levels of dietary protein (average intake of 111 grams per day, or about 24 percent of calories) increased the risk of having microalbuminuria. Unfortunately, results were not separated for animal protein and plant protein, so we don't know if the source of the protein would have any effect on the findings of this study. These results do suggest that people with both high blood pressure and diabetes should consider means other than high protein diets for weight loss.

Knight EL, Stampfer MJ, Hankinson SE, et al. 2003. The impact of protein intake on renal function decline in women with normal renal function or mild insufficiency. Ann Intern Med 138:460-7.

Wrone EM, Camethon MR, Palaniappan L, Fortmann SP. 2003. Association of dietary protein intake and microalbuminuria in healthy adults: Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey. Am J Kidney Dis 41:580-7.

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[IronReload04]

not drinking the 2 gallons or liters, whatever measurement is right of water a day is the issue


when water consumption is proper, and protein is not over 1.5-2 grams per pound, their is no data that supports protein to be harmful to kidneys

[Garnelek]

Milk Thistle is for protecting the liver.Does anyone know anything that can be taken to protect the kidneys?(apart from drinking water!)

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

When I had my kidney stone.

doc told me to drink lots of water
and a glass or 2 of lemonade in the morning

[Kale]

After feeling some lower back pain, I decided to get a pelvic and ab sonogram. I found that I have a possible kidney stone and a suspect nodularity to my left kidney. This "nodularity" has me concerned but I have to follow up with questions on that one. I have to get a cats can to confirm the kidney stone (and find out more about the nature of the node) but that would cost 8 Gs plus an interpretation fee and like 1 out of every 7 American's, I have no medical insurance (I'm in the chimney biz).

This has me concerned because a high protein diet is necessary for bodybuilding and the idea that I'd have to give that up is really a kick in the nuts. I'd like to research this kidney and high protein thing further and if anyone knows of any useful links, I'd appreciate that. As far as AAS goes, I've done mostly injectables, like test and I did some clen when dieting. During fall, I drink a bit but I'm not sure to what degree that would factor in.
Up until now, I've been going at it like an immortal but reality hits back harder.

are you fvcking serious ? Even without health insurance in Singapore I can get an MRI done for around $600 US and that is way more expensive than a CAT Scan. You are being stitched up man, shop around

[FREAK]

I had stones last on a d-bol only cycle f@ckin bastards they hurt like hell!The doc was tellin me it was due to high protien buildup too

Kidney Stones
There has been an increase in kidney stones in recent years. Diet and a lack of fluids has a major role in both causing them and the reason for their increase over the years.

Some initial symptoms can be blood in the urine or recurring urinary tract infections. The first pain you may feel is in your back or side just below your ribs. The pain becomes intense when the kidney stone or stones break loose and work their way from the kidney to the bladder through the ureter. The pain then radiates to your lower a**omen, groin and genital area. Passing a kidney stone can be excruciating and an experience you are not likely to forget.

They are formed when your urine becomes too concentrated. This is where lack of fluids comes in. The minerals or other substances in the urine begin to form into crystals. These crystals then can combine to form a stone. If the stones are small, they can pass into your bladder without causing damage.

Finding the underlying cause is very important to stop them from forming again. The best thing you can do to prevent a recurance is to drink plenty of water and by eating the right foods.

Other symptoms include cloudy or foul smelling urine, nausea, vomiting, urge to urinate and fever and chills if there is an infection.

What Causes Kidney Stones?
As mentioned above, a lack of fluids can be the cause. Water is especially important. Because of this factor you are more likely to have kidney stones if you live in a hot and dry climate or work in a hot environment.

Family health history is another cause. If your family has a history of kidney stones, then you are more likely to have them as well. Once you have had one or more, you are also at risk to develop them again.

Men are more likely to have kidney stones as well as people between the ages 20 to 70 years old.

Some diseases or health disorders are also a risk factor, such as tubular acidosis, gout, chronic urinary tract infections or cystinuria.

Medications can be a cause. An example, diuretics may increase risk.

A high protien, low carb diet may be a cause.

Sedentary life style over a prolonged period. Limited activity can cause your bones to release calcium -- a major cause of kidney stones.

Natural Cures and Remedies
Chanca Piedra -- My favorite and what I consider to be one of the best natural remedies is an herb called chanca piedra or, as it is also called, "the stone breaker." The following Web site will give you some information about chanca piedra and what it does.

Royal Break-Stone, Chanca Piedra for Kidney Stones

IP6 or Inositol Hexaphosphate -- IP6 is a relatively new discovery that helps keep stones from forming. It also cleanses the arteries, the heart, brain, liver, gall bladder (stones), and many other tissues. If you are prone to get kidney stones if would be a good idea to take this supplement. Below is some more information about IP6.

The IP6 Rice Bran Cleanse


Magnesium Citrate -- Low magnesium intake has been linked to stone formation. Magnesium supplementation may decrease the size of an existing stone and prevent further formations.

Vitamin B-6 -- A deficiency increases urinary oxalate that may lead to stones.

[Panzerfaust]

Might just be one of those Craigslist women finally infected you buddy!

[Logan13]

Milk Thistle is for protecting the liver.Does anyone know anything that can be taken to protect the kidneys?(apart from drinking water!)

CRANBERRY EXTRACT

[Logan13]

Might just be one of those Craigslist women finally infected you buddy!

........Beat me to it.

[Garnelek]

I had stones last on a d-bol only cycle f@ckin bastards they hurt like hell!The doc was tellin me it was due to high protien buildup too

Kidney Stones
There has been an increase in kidney stones in recent years. Diet and a lack of fluids has a major role in both causing them and the reason for their increase over the years.

Some initial symptoms can be blood in the urine or recurring urinary tract infections. The first pain you may feel is in your back or side just below your ribs. The pain becomes intense when the kidney stone or stones break loose and work their way from the kidney to the bladder through the ureter. The pain then radiates to your lower a**omen, groin and genital area. Passing a kidney stone can be excruciating and an experience you are not likely to forget.

They are formed when your urine becomes too concentrated. This is where lack of fluids comes in. The minerals or other substances in the urine begin to form into crystals. These crystals then can combine to form a stone. If the stones are small, they can pass into your bladder without causing damage.

Finding the underlying cause is very important to stop them from forming again. The best thing you can do to prevent a recurance is to drink plenty of water and by eating the right foods.

Other symptoms include cloudy or foul smelling urine, nausea, vomiting, urge to urinate and fever and chills if there is an infection.

What Causes Kidney Stones?
As mentioned above, a lack of fluids can be the cause. Water is especially important. Because of this factor you are more likely to have kidney stones if you live in a hot and dry climate or work in a hot environment.

Family health history is another cause. If your family has a history of kidney stones, then you are more likely to have them as well. Once you have had one or more, you are also at risk to develop them again.

Men are more likely to have kidney stones as well as people between the ages 20 to 70 years old.

Some diseases or health disorders are also a risk factor, such as tubular acidosis, gout, chronic urinary tract infections or cystinuria.

Medications can be a cause. An example, diuretics may increase risk.

A high protien, low carb diet may be a cause.

Sedentary life style over a prolonged period. Limited activity can cause your bones to release calcium -- a major cause of kidney stones.

Natural Cures and Remedies
Chanca Piedra -- My favorite and what I consider to be one of the best natural remedies is an herb called chanca piedra or, as it is also called, "the stone breaker." The following Web site will give you some information about chanca piedra and what it does.

Royal Break-Stone, Chanca Piedra for Kidney Stones

IP6 or Inositol Hexaphosphate -- IP6 is a relatively new discovery that helps keep stones from forming. It also cleanses the arteries, the heart, brain, liver, gall bladder (stones), and many other tissues. If you are prone to get kidney stones if would be a good idea to take this supplement. Below is some more information about IP6.

The IP6 Rice Bran Cleanse


Magnesium Citrate -- Low magnesium intake has been linked to stone formation. Magnesium supplementation may decrease the size of an existing stone and prevent further formations.

Vitamin B-6 -- A deficiency increases urinary oxalate that may lead to stones.

Good read tnx freak!

[Logan13]

After feeling some lower back pain, I decided to get a pelvic and ab sonogram. I found that I have a possible kidney stone and a suspect nodularity to my left kidney. This "nodularity" has me concerned but I have to follow up with questions on that one. I have to get a cats can to confirm the kidney stone (and find out more about the nature of the node) but that would cost 8 Gs plus an interpretation fee and like 1 out of every 7 American's, I have no medical insurance (I'm in the chimney biz).

This has me concerned because a high protein diet is necessary for bodybuilding and the idea that I'd have to give that up is really a kick in the nuts. I'd like to research this kidney and high protein thing further and if anyone knows of any useful links, I'd appreciate that. As far as AAS goes, I've done mostly injectables, like test and I did some clen when dieting. During fall, I drink a bit but I'm not sure to what degree that would factor in.
Up until now, I've been going at it like an immortal but reality hits back harder.

Most people never know that they have a kidney stone, they just pass it.
$8k for a CAT scan is ridiculous. I would say that you are just prone to kidney stones, increase your H2O intake at all times. Why do you not have medical insurance? This same $8k would only be $350 out of my pocket with insurance. I'll bet that you are like 1 out of every 3 people who do not have medical insurance and have access to it, yet they choose not to get it. Take care of yourself.

[Garnelek]

CRANBERRY EXTRACT

Tnx i found an article by googling it.seems effective!
now i won't have a prob to

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I was told by a doc that cranberry wont do much at all.
It is use to fight infections in the urinary tract. And kidney stones, are not infections, but yet a build up of say, calcium.
So drink water water water and lemonade or limeade.

cranberry wont break apart that stone, but the acidity of the lemonade will help.

[Logan13]

I was told by a doc that cranberry wont do much at all.
It is use to fight infections in the urinary tract. And kidney stones, are not infections, but yet a build up of say, calcium.
So drink water water water and lemonade or limeade.

cranberry wont break apart that stone, but the acidity of the lemonade will help.

Did not mean to insinuate that cranberry would break up a stone. It does help keep the urinary cleaned up, used for prevention not treatment.

[taiboxa]

sesamin helps kidneys