opinion about my friend taking d-bol

[bigjoe91]

I am posting this for a friend of mine that is concerned:

He is 6'1 and about 260lbs. He has about 27% body fat on him. His bench is 255 and squats 540 on the machine.He is thinking about taking a cycle of d-bol. I think it isn't a good idea but he doesn't trust me. What were you guys thinking??

[admirals56]

bad idea and his lifting # dont matter about using steroids..
how old is he

[gixxerboy1]

at 27% bf he shouldnt be using anything.

[green22]

at 27% he is way to fat. also with a max bench of 255 at 260 tells me he hasnt lifted for long or serious, so drugs probably arent the best idea at his level. Diet and cardio is what he should focus on.

[bigjoe91]

he is 19 and he is repping 255 he hasnt maxed out completely on bench yet. he has been lifting for about 1 year. What wood happen 2 him if he did??

[rampage12]

he would probably get fatter and hold alot of water

[RANA]

19, hell no...tell him to diet first and wait a few years

[admirals56]

^^ yes and obviously you dont have a pct planned out and even with one you wouldnt keep your gains as it is mainly water

[ecto9]

Deff get fatter and hold alot of water. I can agree with that! Happeded to me @40mg/day and my bodyfat was much lower than that. Dbol= high aromatization.

[admirals56]

since hes fat im sure hes not getting enough protien but lots of chips

[bigjoe91]

he really doesn't eat alot, but it is very hard for him to lose weight. With the right diet can he pull a cycle lik this off. He got the d-bols from a friend for free so he doesnt want 2 waste them or give them away.

[admirals56]

hold on to it till he get another 6months in atleast and drops bf below 20

[bigjoe91]

is there another cycle you would recomend him to take. I know your goin 2 say proper diet and lots of exercise, but putting that aside what other cycles could he do??

[RANA]

is there another cycle you would recomend him to take. I know your goin 2 say proper diet and lots of exercise, but putting that aside what other cycles could he do??

Well it's hard to give advice to someone so young and out of shape. Sorry

[njgalligan]

i cant agree more. i have guys come up to me and ask me about cycles and what to use and if i can get them anything, and theres three things i ask them, how old they are, what there bodyfat percentage is and how many years of serious hard training, and 90% of them i will turn down giveing any advise about gear, bout 20% are to young 40% dont have enough lifting under there belt, and 10% are to out of shape, and the other 20% are just to stupid to be on any cycle. so i cannot condone giving any advise until the guy is at least 2 years older with constant lifting in that two years. plus obviously he hasnt done his own reasearch about dbol, unfortunetly the only info your going to get back from members is hes to heavy, to young and hasnt had enough experience with weight training, and the only advice you will recieve is for him to diet down to well below 20%bf, though i dont agree with 20% i would recomend 15%, and once that bf is reached train for at least another year before he should even consider any gear. sorry bro, tell him to get online and do some of his own reasearch, and hopefully he'll realize that gear isnt for him right now

[longhorn814]

perhaps he should learn the proper way to eat first..steroids arent magic pills...sell the dbol and buy some food!!

[Longball]

Playing devil's advocate here guys...

why would steroids be no good for him at 27% BF? I agree that he needs to bring it down but if the guy is looking to add some strength or muscle, it is still possible.

agreed that at 19 he should not be doing it either.

[longhorn814]

Playing devil's advocate here guys...

why would steroids be no good for him at 27% BF? I agree that he needs to bring it down but if the guy is looking to add some strength or muscle, it is still possible.

agreed that at 19 he should not be doing it either.

dbol causes massive water retention due to the high degree of aromatization to estrogren..that can cause high blood pressure and increase overall stress of cardiovascular system..this only gets worse if youre over weight too..the cardiovascular system has to work that much harder

[Longball]

sorry for double post, please see below.

[Longball]

dbol causes massive water retention due to the high degree of aromatization to estrogren..that can cause high blood pressure and increase overall stress of cardiovascular system..this only gets worse if youre over weight too..the cardiovascular system has to work that much harder

Per AR "Dbol only has a modest aromatase activity so estrogen doesn't cause water gain on Dbol, rather GH (maybe) does


hard to tell if the guy has started doing some cardio or not, while you are correct that dbol can cause water retention you can combat that with some AI. Again I am just playing devil's advocate here for some discussion, I am not recommending this guy does anything.

[BIGMIKETORR]

dbol causes massive water retention due to the high degree of aromatization to estrogren..that can cause high blood pressure and increase overall stress of cardiovascular system..this only gets worse if youre over weight too..the cardiovascular system has to work that much harder

^^^^^ agree bf% to high

[njgalligan]

dbol does cause water retention and depending on how much and how long you use ,it can cause high blood pressure somthing that an overweight person doesnt want more of. now this person obviously doesnt know anything about dbol cuz hes asking his friend to research this for him, now the reason i dont suggest using anything is bcuz not only is he 19 but hes only be lifting for like a year!!! come on!! plus dbol isnt a good first step into aas, its easier to take a pill then to inject but if anything at all i would recomend a simple test. cycle. but i certainly dont condone it at this age and experience with weights

[kick6]

Playing devil's advocate here guys...

why would steroids be no good for him at 27% BF? I agree that he needs to bring it down but if the guy is looking to add some strength or muscle, it is still possible.

agreed that at 19 he should not be doing it either.

Simple answer: there are AR receptors in both muscle and fat. So if 27% of you is fat, crappy incomplete logical would conclude that 27% of whatever you're taking is going to bind to receptors in fat and not help build any muscle. So at that BF% you get all of the negatives form steroid use (bitch tits, liver toxicity, swollen prostate, hair in places you don't want it, less hair in places you do) and only 75% of the benefits.

[Longball]

steroids arent magic pills

there not????

[Longball]

Simple answer: there are AR receptors in both muscle and fat. So if 27% of you is fat, crappy incomplete logical would conclude that 27% of whatever you're taking is going to bind to receptors in fat and not help build any muscle. So at that BF% you get all of the negatives form steroid use (bitch tits, liver toxicity, swollen prostate, hair in places you don't want it, less hair in places you do) and only 75% of the benefits.

but sides aren't a 100% guarantee and as i said before what if the user used AI's

[longhorn814]

there not????

nope but so many people think they are..they think pop a few pills, take a few shots and theyll be all ripped and huge in no time..couldnt be further from the truth..steroids are only a portion of the equation..diet, training, cardio, rest and dedication are more important

[longhorn814]

Per AR "Dbol only has a modest aromatase activity so estrogen doesn't cause water gain on Dbol, rather GH (maybe) does


hard to tell if the guy has started doing some cardio or not, while you are correct that dbol can cause water retention you can combat that with some AI. Again I am just playing devil's advocate here for some discussion, I am not recommending this guy does anything.

dbol will cause way more water retention than GH!!

[kick6]

but sides aren't a 100% guarantee and as i said before what if the user used AI's

True, sides aren't a guarantee, but even with an AI (and of course some steroids don't aromatize) you're going to get significantly less bang for your buck. Not to mention that, in men, estrogen levels are positively correlated with BF%. So the fatter you are the more likely you are to suffer estrogenic sides because your estrogen levels are already higher. An AI alone might be a better choice.






I'm only half serious on that last statement.

[BodyByAAS]

" My friend "

lmao... who is almost 1/3rd FAT!

*sigh I love it*

Please see......

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=327476

[Longball]

dbol will cause way more water retention than GH!!

Talk to Anthony Roberts about this, his statement, not mine.

[longhorn814]

Talk to Anthony Roberts about this, his statement, not mine.

take what AR says with a grain of salt..im telling you from my personal experience..way more bloat from dbol than GH

[Longball]

take what AR says with a grain of salt..im telling you from my personal experience..way more bloat from dbol than GH

Oh I do as well as anything from every site or "expert". I have only done 1 cycle with Dbol but managed my salt intake and diet and the water gain wasn't too pronounced. My posts were just to elicit some responses as every post I see wants people shredded before they start. I have a few powerlifter buddies who can lift small cars but can't remember when they last put on a pair of jeans that wasn't a 40 something. Steroids are used as much by strength athletes as they are for BB's and I just don't see that discussion that much around here.

[kick6]

Steroids are used as much by strength athletes as they are for BB's and I just don't see that discussion that much around here.

This is definetly a BB dominated forum for better or worse. I personally am a team sports athlete so I have to pick and choose which bits of info actually apply.

[Longball]

This is definetly a BB dominated forum for better or worse. I personally am a team sports athlete so I have to pick and choose which bits of info actually apply.

and thats fine, doesn't mean i won't post some comments from time to time though even though BB is not the reason I lift, use, or live.

[njgalligan]

the only question the guy wanted to know was if we think is a bad idea for him, and all the technical stuff aside the main reason behind this is because the guys 19 and hes only been lifting for a year!!! end of story

[dogman69]

i know this is off subject but why is body fat important for a cycle

[BodyByAAS]

i know this is off subject but why is body fat important for a cycle

[avalanche22]

can you say heart and blood pressure problems!i hope so cause thats what he will have.27% ?wow

[bigjoe91]

thanks for all your info guys. hope my dumba** friend will listen to wut u guys said. if he doesnt then i will keep u updated on wut PCT and other pills he is taking, his progress n his side effects. thanks again.

[bigjoe91]

i would not be embarrassed to say i would be taking. I never want to mess wit steroids becausec of what happened to somebody i know on them. So you can think its me taking them but its not, so say what you want but i only know the truth.