Is Deca and Novadex bad

[msu16366]

I have always ran 200mg b6 and Nova 10mg during test and deca cycles, Now I was just told not to take Nova while taking Deca, is this true?

[kfrost06]

yes it's true, it can give you gyno. Always use an AI with the deca if needed. Thats I would have an AI like letro or aromasin on hand and if needed then take it.

[msu16366]

I have liquidex, should I use that insted of the nova.
I am running
Test E 750
Deca 550
was going to use nova 10mg and b6 200 throughout, but could easily sub the nova for liquidex and save the nova for pct along with clomid and HCG ( before cycle end)

[kfrost06]

do not use any SERM which includes clomid and nolva while on the deca. save both for the PCT. Yes, you can use the letro in place to fight the gyno but remember estrogen is bad and good. Bad because of gyno good because it helps with gains and is very very important for your health. I would start the cycle and if you notice any type of gyno(sensitive/itchy/swolen nipples) then start the letro at a low dose otherwise don't take it.

[msu16366]

I dont have letro, just liquidex or novadex.
What changed, nova has always been good in the past during cycle and the vitamin b6 was always good for the Deca gyno.

[CRUISECONTROL]

use the liquidex instead of nolva and try to get some letro

[CRUISECONTROL]

studies show that deca and nolva can cause gyno.... other cycles not including deca can be used with nolva

[legobricks]

liquidex will work as well. I would opt for liquidex as its not as strong as letro. Also, using Novadex (notice there is no L in this) while using any 19-nor can be done as there are no adverse reactions.







































But using Nolvadex (notice there is an L) while taking deca will increase the rate at which estrogen binds to the PGR.
Wow, dry crowd tonight.

[msu16366]

Is Vitamin b6 at 200mgs still needed , and is Nova safe to use after cycle during PCT

[legobricks]

It would help out with any progesterone related sides.

[lex57]

Is Vitamin b6 at 200mgs still needed , and is Nova safe to use after cycle during PCT

yes safe to use for pct. but i would not recommend during cycle.

[kfrost06]

liquidex is good, it's an AI.

[legobricks]

Apparently nobody got my funny I just made.

[kfrost06]

liquidex will work as well. I would opt for liquidex as its not as strong as letro. Also, using Novadex while using any 19-nor can be done as there are no adverse reactions.

But using Nolvadex while taking deca will increase the rate at which estrogen binds to the PGR.

thats a little confusing, the last line contradicts the preceding line, Deca is a 19-nor.

[kfrost06]

ah you were being funny, I was scratching my head wondering what you were trying to say since it was not in your character to give bad advice.

[legobricks]

thats a little confusing, the last line contradicts the preceding line, Deca is a 19-nor.

I know, it was a funny I made.

Novadex is an OTC product sold at GNC or supplement shops.

NoLvadex is a SERM in which cannot be used as it increases the rate at which estrogen will bind to the PGR.

Ok, bad joke but I cleared it up with him via PM.

[msu16366]

Thanks everyone, I am ready to rock...
since I am frontloading my Test E and Deca at 1500 and 1100 first week is really the only reason I was going to use novadex as its alot for a first week. I will just use some liquidex ( hope its still good, about 6 months old, half used) amd b6 at 200.
WHat is the lowest amount of liquidex I would use just in the beg of cycle while fronloading...

[lex57]

I know, it was a funny I made.

Novadex is an OTC product sold at GNC or supplement shops.

NoLvadex is a SERM in which cannot be used as it increases the rate at which estrogen will bind to the PGR.

Ok, bad joke but I cleared it up with him via PM.

i actually didnt see the last line because of a HUGE gap between the two


Lines

[msu16366]

Thanks guys clearing that up.
I will run .25 liquidex (Eod)and 200b6 (ed)

how will I know if I need Bromo, will it feel different than estrogen gyno , and where can you get bromo, is bromo illegal?

[baine]

yes it's true, it can give you gyno. Always use an AI with the deca if needed. Thats I would have an AI like letro or aromasin on hand and if needed then take it.

Deca induced gyno is noy usually caused by an aromatization into excess estrogen but is usually caused by its high affinity to bind to the progesterone receptors in the breast tissue. I heard by blocking excess estrogen via aromotase inhibitors such as a-dex should combat this, however to be on the safe side id add dostinex or bromocriptine to be on the safe side....

[largerthannormal]

what about A-dex if letro may be too strong?

[BuffBuffalo]

Good info! People should be aware that nolvadex is okay post cycle, just not during. I know its already been stated but just wanted to put an emphasis on this.

[Merc..]

Nolva increses PgR .. giving more for the 19 nors metabolites to bind to , thus possibly increasing your chances of getting gyno ....



Merc.

[Merc..]

Also keep in mind it is not just estrogen .... Gyno needs progesterone , estrogen as well as other mediators such as GH and IGF-1 to form ....


Merc.

[Merc..]

Also check my thread out about estrogen and gyno ...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=gyno+estrogen


Merc.

[Drummerboy]

i kept quiet here cause i wasnt 100% sure... but i thought that using nolva was no good for deca... a friend of mine was really 19-nor sensetive and nothing would really help... so he got into all test and dht's instead, which did him well. Off topic i know, but just browsing here... besides, why take any serm or ai unless you need them for sure?

[Merc..]

i kept quiet here cause i wasnt 100% sure... but i thought that using nolva was no good for deca... a friend of mine was really 19-nor sensetive and nothing would really help... so he got into all test and dht's instead, which did him well. Off topic i know, but just browsing here... besides, why take any serm or ai unless you need them for sure?

Yes .. Good point DB.... There are a lot of peeps that unnecessarily use AI's...

[Merc..]

yes safe to use for pct. but i would not recommend during cycle.

More than 200mg/ED has been shown to cause damage to the nervous system.

The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has set a tolerable intake level for vitamin B6 of 100 mg per day for adults.


Merc.

[al_bundy]

if im on 500mg of sustanon a week with Winstrol Stanozolol 50mg twice a week
for ten weeks how much and for how long should i take nolvadex?

[operationgetbig]

what about A-dex if letro may be too strong?

im gonna use arimidex in my next test/deca cycle. letro screws up my sex drive. im not gyno prone so i keep the adex on hand if i need. prolly around week 8 i'll start taking .25mg ed or .5 eod.

[Merc..]

if im on 500mg of sustanon a week with Winstrol Stanozolol 50mg twice a week
for ten weeks how much and for how long should i take nolvadex?

It is probably better if you start your own thread .. You will get a better response.. That said .. You can check out my thread about estrogen and AI's as it should give you some feedback ...

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...strogen+ai%27s


Merc.

[al_bundy]

or should i only use it if my doseage gets higher?

[lex57]

More than 200mg/ED has been shown to cause damage to the nervous system.

The Food and Nutrition Board of the Institute of Medicine has set a tolerable intake level for vitamin B6 of 100 mg per day for adults.


Merc.

i was just talking about the nolva after cycle for pct i wasnt talking about the vitamin b6. good catch though on his b6.

[Merc..]

i was just talking about the nolva after cycle for pct i wasnt talking about the vitamin b6.

Ok cool ..

I was just saying high doses of b-6 can be harmful.



Merc.

[lex57]

Ok cool ..

I was just saying high doses of b-6 can be harmful.



Merc.

yeah i googled it after its kind of suprising what b vitamins can do and not. it almost sounds as if too much b6 can be like not enough b12. i know pernicious anemia(b12 deficiency) can cause neuro problems such as problems with walking and numbness in the hands and feet, and too much b6 causes neuro problems also. crazy.

[Big Papi JR.]

Higher doses of b-6 approaching 1g can be extremely dangerous to the nervous system. So if you feel a weird tinling sensation, cut the b-6 dose.

[msu16366]

I better keep better track of my vitamin b6 intake, I know now from looking at my muscle milk that it had 100mg, plus I drink a few of them a day, plus my mega mans from gnc, I guess I dont need anymore..