my first cycle. need some opinions

[es1167]

First of all I've been lifting seriously for about 5 years and I am 6'0 230 lbs. I recently asked my roomate about cycling on some stuff and I was told that for my body size I should stick to Winnie and Masteron. It was recommended to me that I follow the following dosages for my cycle. I just want to get someone elses opinion on whether this is a good cycle.

Winnie 125mg 10cc
1st week 1/2 cc every other day
After 1 cc every other day

Masteron 200mg 10 cc - Take at very end of cycle
1 cc every other day

Test Suspension 300mg 10cc
1cc every 4 days

Winnie and Test (After 2 Weeks)
then Winnie and Masteron

-These are the exact instructions I got from the guy telling me how to take them. The instructions are pretty vague.

How exactly should I take and what should I take specifically week to week and in what order

Also another thing that I thought was weird was he said there would be no need to take a PCT because "Winnie and Masteron" are anti-estrogens? I know this cant be right and I don't want to mess up my body.

[longhorn814]

what are YOUR goals??..youre roommate doesnt appear to be the most knowledge person..actually theres quite a few things wrong with that proposed cycle..stick around here and do some reading..you'll be glad you did..winny and masteron and primarily compounds used in a cutting cycle..but the way you proposed is kinda messed up..test suspension needs to be shot TWICE a day!!! Just b/c masteron has some anti-estrogenic properties, winny not so much, doesnt you mean you have to do PCT..you still have to do it

[es1167]

My goal is to cut a good amount of bf% before this summer. What exactly is wrong with the cycle and how can I go about doing it in a way that it can be effective. I have enough for two separate cycles.

[es1167]

What I'm trying to say is how would you personally take this stuff? And what PCTs would you use to come off.

[Big]

For starters, how often are you willing to inject the test?

[longhorn814]

My goal is to cut a good amount of bf% before this summer. What exactly is wrong with the cycle and how can I go about doing it in a way that it can be effective. I have enough for two separate cycles.

get some test prop..unless you want to injection suspension twice a day..remember cutting body fat is mostly dependant on diet and cardio..you can cut on pretty much any steroid..i would recommend some getting some test prop and do something like this for a decent cutting cycle

Weeks 1-10 100mg prop EOD
Weeks 4-10 100mg masteron EOD OR 50 mg winny ED

Start PCT 3 days after last shot of prop..could just do standard clomid/nolva 100 mg and 20 mg respectively for 30 days..first cycles are usually recommended test only..but adding winny or masteron isnt a huge deal..whats your diet look like? how much you plan on eating and what are you daily macros?? No steroid will strip fat off you unless you have a good cutting diet and do a decent amount of cardio

[Schmidty]

Please dont run this cycle, i really dont want to see what would happen. Especially shooting test susp every4days, ur blood test levels would be all over the place. Id say just test but winnys not guna hurt IMO

[es1167]

The problem is I already bought the test susp. and im stuck with it.

[Schmidty]

sell it or hang on2it4 a later cycle

[es1167]

Could I possibly do a test susp winnie cycle then after awhile do a masterol and winnie? My diet has been effective I've done about 3 clen cycles before this and have lost 15 pounds. So since I'm stuck with all this stuff what are my options on taking them in a safe way. If I really have to inject the susp 2x a day I think I would be capable of it.

[es1167]

what's wrong with me cycling the test susp now?

[es1167]

Can I get some advice from anyone I planned on starting 3 weeks from now but now I need to figure out what I'm going to do all over.

[es1167]

longhorn.. if i would use the test susp instead of the test prop how many ccs would i need to take in both of the shots daily.

[Big]

longhorn.. if i would use the test susp instead of the test prop how many ccs would i need to take in both of the shots daily.

I'm not longhorn, but regardless if you have 10ml of suspension and it's 300mg/ml, then you could run 300mg/week for 10 weeks. If that was your plan, 2 times a day x 7 days a week = 14 shots per week, 300 divided by 14 = 21.4mg per shot.

[longhorn814]

the problem is you dont have enough of anything to really put together any decent cycle..you will near more gear regardless of what you do..now you want to run test suspension, yours is 300mg/cc, most susp is only 100mg/cc along with injectable winny..all I can think of is how much pain your gonna be in from those shots..you'll be lucky if you can walk..let alone workout..

[es1167]

is that enough of the susp to be effective?

[The Deuce]

all I can think of is how much pain your gonna be in from those shots..you'll be lucky if you can walk..let alone workout..

Hahahaha I was thinking the same thing... boy is he in for a world of HURT !! Maybe even more than this guy

Dude you need more knowledge and more gear... plain and simple... I am sooo sick of hearing everyone say they wanna be "cut" for summer. WHO DOESN'T !?!? AAS are not a miracle drug !! The can seriously mess you up dude and I am not just saying that... it's the truth. Educate yourself before you are screwed up for the rest of your life.

[es1167]

should i just do as u said and get some test prop instead? i have done some reading on here and it seems like the susp is extremely painful compared to others

[Njord]

Are you sure it is suspension and not Sustanon?

[longhorn814]

should i just do as u said and get some test prop instead? i have done some reading on here and it seems like the susp is extremely painful compared to others

prop is my favorite..you can get by with shooting it EOD..prop can cause some pain too, but it really depends on where youre prop comes from..i have used plenty of prop that causes zero pain

at least youre doing your homework before you took anything..you didnt do it before you bought, but its not a big deal..just hold onto the stuff you bought for another cycle and get the stuff that will help you now

[Big]

Are you sure it is suspension and not Sustanon?

I was wondering the same thing, considering the concentration.

[im83931]

Also another thing that I thought was weird was he said there would be no need to take a PCT because "Winnie and Masteron" are anti-estrogens? I know this cant be right and I don't want to mess up my body.

You still need pct as well. Just because winnie and masteron do not aromatize does not mean they wont shut you down.

Have you ever injected any test before. If not I would say you dont want to start with suspension. Most first timers use Test cyp or en because they only have to shooot twice a week.