Newbie : First cycle - Test Prop.

[pokkie]

I am currently looking to start a second cycle, though for all intented purposes, it could be
seen as my first cycle as my previous cycle was a couple of years ago, and due to not having a
proper PCT plan in place, lost most/all of the gains.

So, a couple of years have passed, have been on a strict diet for the last 8 weeks and looking
to start a cycle where I can shed a little bit of body fat and gain some lean muscle mass.

Some stats :

Age : 27
Weight : 175 lbs
B/F : 13 %


From doing some research and reading through alot of newbie posts, the general consensus seems
to be that I need to keep it simple for the few first cycles (e.g. not alot of stacking, etc). So,
I BB friend of mine suggested that I start of with Test Prop. It reduces bloating and adds muscle,
which I find appealing.

From what I have read the recommended dosage for Test Prop for me should be round 400 - 500mg/week.
Since it seems that Test Prop thrives on being regular injected, I would assume that I would
have to inject every day (mon - fri), between 80 mg - 100 mg per day.

I don't know if it really necessary to run nolva throughout the whole cycle, but I would rather
want to err on the caution side to avoid gyno.


Week 1 - 12 : Test Prop
Week 1 - 12 : Nolva (20 mg)

PCT

Day 1 : 300 mg clomid or 20 mg novla
Day 2 - 30 : 100 mg clomid or 20 mg nolva
Day 31 - 37 : 20 mg novla


So my question is, does this seem like a sensible approach to what I am trying to accomplish?

-- Pokkie

[maxumboater]

I ran test prop for 6 weeks. I got really good strenght gains. I put on 8 lbs of good solid muscle and a little acne as side effects. I did 100mg eod for 3 weeks then bumped up to 125mg eod. It really help me feel out. I wish id a went for 8 or 10 weeks though. maybe id a put on some more weight. but its a good test imo.

[pokkie]

Did you run any kind of anti-gyno with it? What did you do for PCT?

[Prada]

You have to take Prop ED or EOD. Keep the dosage consistent.
Your PCT should have Nolva or Clomid and Exemestane. Just using Nolva or Clomid is not really enough. Better the nothing but not optimal.

For gyno you dont have to take Nolva while on unless you see/feel the symptoms but you could take it nonetheless if you want, albeit an AI would be better.

[STED]

I ran prop for 10 weeks, all i can say is what a great compound, great gains and a good cutter at the same time. I was shooting 700mg a weekly, but as you say your more or less new to this so 400 to 500 mg weekly will be fine. Prop can be shot EOD, saves ED pain in the ass (literaly speaking) injections. Start your nolva in the last 2 weeks of your cycle and carry this on 3 weeks after.

[pokkie]

Just wanted to clarify something in regards to shooting EOD.

Do you shoot 1.) mon, wed, fri, sun, mon? or 2.) mon, wed, fri, sun, tue?

If you shoot 1 - then you shoot 4 times a week @ 100 mg = 400 mg / week

If you shoot 2 - then you shoot 3 times every second week @ 100 mg = 300 mg / week

Which one is the correct way?

[Hollywood080]

Just wanted to clarify something in regards to shooting EOD.

Do you shoot 1.) mon, wed, fri, sun, mon? or 2.) mon, wed, fri, sun, tue?

If you shoot 1 - then you shoot 4 times a week @ 100 mg = 400 mg / week

If you shoot 2 - then you shoot 3 times every second week @ 100 mg = 300 mg / week

Which one is the correct way?

I'm running prop the #2 way. mon wed fri sun tue thur sat

[VTliftVT]

I'm running prop the #2 way. mon wed fri sun tue thur sat

thats correct, EOD...we dont reference it per week that way because some weeks youll be shooting 3 times, others 4.

[MBaraso]

I'd add something to it. Winny or var
Week 1-10 Prop 100mgs eod
Week 5-10 winny 50mgs ed or var 40mgs ed
clomid 3 days out and nolva on hand.
Goodluck,

[theone85]

hey bro when u lookin into running the cycle, lookin at a same one too with test pro only.

[legobricks]

Just had to add input on this. Clomid/nolva are perfectly find for PCT on this cycle. Reason people shy away from it is due to clomids emotional/vision sides which suck. Clomid also has been reported to have permanant vision damage for prolonged use although I have NOT experienced this, some people have. Running one or the other is not sufficient due to them taking on the job of 2 roles; Controlling estrogen rebound and bringing back testosterone production. Aromasin/nolva PCT tho is better so give that a look. Run the PCT out to at least 4 weeks in which I personally run the nolva 1 week longer.

[pokkie]

hey bro when u lookin into running the cycle, lookin at a same one too with test pro only.

Looking to start this week

[pokkie]

Aromasin/nolva PCT tho is better so give that a look. Run the PCT out to at least 4 weeks in which I personally run the nolva 1 week longer.

Thanks lego,

Would you say that a dosage of 25mg of Aromasin is good enough? Should I take it daily during my PCT?

[soulstealer]

On a side not your probably going to want to front load and since the quad has the highest amount of test receptors and your a beginner its our best bet to do 1 CC in each Quad for the first day of prop shots... dont listen to me bro...

[theone85]

keep us updated man

[Prada]

Thanks lego,

Would you say that a dosage of 25mg of Aromasin is good enough? Should I take it daily during my PCT?

Yes.

[pokkie]

Is there any disadvantage to running test prop for 12 weeks?

Most cycles that I have looked are 10 weeks.

Is there a particular reason for that?

[xtreme171]

I just finished a 12 weeker of test prop only. I was doing 150mgs eod. I gained 27 lbs while on it but alot was water retention. I am very prone to retaining fluid thats why i run prop. I got great strength gains and good size and really wish i would have only ran 10 weeks as thats when i really started retaining fluid after week 10. As far as pct i am taking clomid and nolva. I dont think running this low of a dose test requires hcg but hey everyones different.

[Drummerboy]

You have to take Prop ED or EOD. Keep the dosage consistent.
Your PCT should have Nolva or Clomid and Exemestane. Just using Nolva or Clomid is not really enough. Better the nothing but not optimal.

For gyno you dont have to take Nolva while on unless you see/feel the symptoms but you could take it nonetheless if you want, albeit an AI would be better.

^^^ what he said

[legobricks]

Is there any disadvantage to running test prop for 12 weeks?

Most cycles that I have looked are 10 weeks.

Is there a particular reason for that?

Since prop is a fast acting ester you can get away with a GREAT cycle at 8 weeks and recieve the same gains as if using enanthate. Enanthate or Cypionate are long acting esters which usually take around 4-6 weeks to reach peak test/blood levels which is why they are ran around 12 weeks. The great thing about a fast acting ester is shorter time on means shorter time off which means you can get into another cycle faster. You still should get bloodwork done but the typical saying is "time on plus PCT equals time off." You do 12 weeks of test enanthate, plus 2 weeks waiting time (for the hormone to clear your system) then start a 4 week pct that puts you at 18 weeks before you can even think of cycling again. Where as prop is 8 weeks on, i believe 3 days before pct and a 4 week pct is 12 weeks total which means another 12 and you can run a cycle (of course if bloodwork comes back fine).

[pokkie]

Progress Update :

8 Weeks have gone by and I still have 2 more weeks left.

Have lost a noticeable amount of bodyfat, but haven't really gained
any weight, maybe a couple of pounds but thats about it.

PCT Question :

I have bought 30 tabs of nolva and 30 tabs of 1mg arimidex.

Can I start taking the nolva and arimidex so long? if so, which one?
what frequency? etc.

Thanks alot for all the help so far guys

[ZEUS3]

On a side not your probably going to want to front load and since the quad has the highest amount of test receptors and your a beginner its our best bet to do 1 CC in each Quad for the first day of prop shots... dont listen to me bro...

realy so the quads have the most test recpters in turn better results from any test products?