Guys, whats up with me???

[TOOBAD]

Man I am totally depressed on cycle??? I have no motivation and just a real shitty attitude towards life in general. I am taking the following:

500mg test e twice a wee
10mg tbol ed (don't laugh, it's all I can take w/o getting high blood pressure)

I am on week 6 of my cycle and it has been like this since the beginning??? I even got some liquidex from Lion and tried it at .5mg ed and still no difference. My gear is from a reputable supplier overseas and my last gear from him was fine.

I have also noticed on the test e that I don't get that painful morning wood like I usually do, but my libido is strong. I thought about quitting all together but I am getting some pretty good gains.

Has this happened to anyone else? Should I maybe lower my dosage on the test e?

[kojak_x]

I heard that lower test levels might cause some depression to people who might be prone to it, that's something that Im mainly worried about if I ever do a cycle, but i haven't heard of someone with depression during a cycle.
Hopefully someone with experience with depression and steroids can give you some good advice. Someone with experience with both.

Good Luck and all the best.

[perfectbeast2001]

you can be depressed on cycle the same as anytime. As for the cycle causing it then fluctuations in estrogen levels (as well as other important hormones) cause crazy mood swings. imagine a lady with PMS and you get the picture. Try using some nolvadex. It is not as agressive as other popular anti Es and should stabilise levels in a less drastic fashion.

[PT]

have you ever had depression problems before

[TOOBAD]

Beast, once again I think you are exactly right. I think my work has really got me down, I am in real estate and the economy sucks so I am not making any money (thank goodness I got a sugar momma!!).

As for the nolvadex, I too was thinking it would help since I ran it my last cycle and didn't have any sides (in fact I felt GREAT!). The problem is that lion is out of nolvadex and all I have is some letro that I bought from him a couple of years ago. Could I take a small dose of that until the nolvadex is in stock? If so, what dose do you recommend?

And btw, why isn't my liquidex working??? Could I try taking a higher dose of it instead?

you can be depressed on cycle the same as anytime. As for the cycle causing it then fluctuations in estrogen levels (as well as other important hormones) cause crazy mood swings. imagine a lady with PMS and you get the picture. Try using some nolvadex. It is not as agressive as other popular anti Es and should stabilise levels in a less drastic fashion.

[Johnny_Rotten]

Really sorry to hear that bro. Hope it all works out for you.

I on the other hand feel f#cken awesome. This is my first cycle, just running 500/week of Test prop & i feel pumped every day. Was in the gym yesterday doing some squats & powered thru them so easily. Am loving it.

One thing i've noticed however is that i'm very emotional. Could this be because of high estrogen? I'm not totally sappy but am getting quite prone to listening to love songs/getting quite affectionate haha.

[TOOBAD]

Really sorry to hear that bro. Hope it all works out for you.

I on the other hand feel f#cken awesome. This is my first cycle, just running 500/week of Test prop & i feel pumped every day. Was in the gym yesterday doing some squats & powered thru them so easily. Am loving it.

One thing i've noticed however is that i'm very emotional. Could this be because of high estrogen? I'm not totally sappy but am getting quite prone to listening to love songs/getting quite affectionate haha.

That is some funny shit! Are you taking an anti-e with yours? I know mine is from the estrogen, I will start nolvadex asap, lion should have it back in stock next week.

Good luck with your cycle...what does your PCT look like?

[Johnny_Rotten]

Not running any anti-e's at the moment but have some on hand just in case.

I won't run them unless i get some more serious probs.

Thing is i don't mind the emotional crap, it's not bad emotions like sadness etc, just feel like what i imagine a chick would feel like haha.

But yeah like i said apart from feeling like a bitch i'm pumped.




Oh & PCT is standard nolva/clomid running in line with A-robs pct protocol..

[apbt14]

I felt like crap for about the first 3wks of this past cycle, the only time I was excited was when I got to the gym, the rest of the day sucked.
Have you had your blood pressure checked?

[OnT]

I was listening to James Taylor this morning on my drive to work after a 50-min workout what a nice smooth relaxing drive gotta get my estrogen checked.

[TOOBAD]

I felt like crap for about the first 3wks of this past cycle, the only time I was excited was when I got to the gym, the rest of the day sucked.
Have you had your blood pressure checked?

I checked it last week...something like 137/70. Top number is a little high but bottom number is in check. Why do you ask?

Btw, what did your past cycle look like?

[BG]

I agree with PB, I have estrogen and progesterone problems throughout my cycles causing suppression and depression ( I believe they go hand and hand ).

[ecto9]

Maybe you should try cutting out the Tbol. Although it's a pretty small dose, I seem to remmember others reporting that it makes them feel like crap. JMO. Keep us posted bro and good luck!

[gbh77]

watch out johnny you be watching sleepless in seattle in no time.lol

[TOOBAD]

Well I have letro and caber on hand so I decided to try letro at a small dose for about a week (.5mg eod) along with my liquidex. I know my problem is from too much estrogen so the letro should help, plus my nipples are tender as hell so it should help with that too. I just hope I am not fukcin up!

As for the tbol, I hate to quit taking it because I am getting some good strength gains but if the letro doesn't work then that is my next step.

[legobricks]

Ill agree with PB and BG about the estrogen. The letro over 2 years old tho....may have lost some potency as Im not sure about the shelf life of it. Letro is real strong tho so it may cut too much estrogen which will put you in the same boat your in now (depression/supression issues). I would start mild with tamoxifen and see how that helps.

[TOOBAD]

Tamoxifen works the best but lion is out until next week. Thought the letro would work for a cpl of weeks until my tamoxifen arrives. That will also help me from getting an estrogen rebound as well. What do you think?

[BG]

I agree with Lego, letro isnt good idea at this point, it takes it toll on me.

[TOOBAD]

I agree with Lego, letro isnt good idea at this point, it takes it toll on me.

Yea but at what doses? I'm thinking just two or three .5mg doses over the next week or so....still think it is a bad idea?