10uis hgh a day!

[GORILA-UNIT]

hey guys ive been on hgh for the last 5month 5ius a day, im 5 9, 195 13% bf. ive taken a break since ive been on vacation for two weeks and thinking about starting a new cycle with tren and prop and pump up the hgh to 10ius for maybe 4 more month. give me some feedback

[200byjune]

i like it. i would do it if i could afford it

[thefitnesswoman]

10iu a day.... wow

[exceed]

from what ive read there isnt anything wrong with that. gh is a nice thing to add to a cycle. how have your gains been on 5 iu over the past few months?

[McJuicer]

damn that's quite the dosage bro...i'd stick with 5, or just buy good stuff instead of generics..

[Gear]

Nice dose, but I would work my way up to that dose very slowly instead of starting on 10IU. And don't have 10IU set as your goal as you may find that 7 or 8 IU will be enough.

-Gear

[BeastMode12]

i am currenty taking 10iu day

[PimpStick]

Sounds like a high dose...I only take 3 IU/day. I would take 5 IU if I had the bankroll to sustain it for 6 months...

[Ready2Learn]

On 10 i.u.s a day should you expect sides?

How long until those sides occur?
I've been on 10 i.u.s for about 9 days now.

[Gear]

On 10 i.u.s a day should you expect sides?

In most cases yes

How long until those sides occur?

All depends on the user.

-Gear

[***xxx***]

if u mean 10iu china trash than save ur money and buy 4iu of human grade gh. u will get mor out of it.

[bfsparty]

if u mean 10iu china trash than save ur money and buy 4iu of human grade gh. u will get mor out of it.

my experience has taught me gh is gh is gh..dont matter if it is stim or trope or no label..you fire it up, you have your doc test your IGF-1 after 2-3 weeks on it, you come up high, all good. I have used chinese and had phenom results, just me though...

10 could f you up. Ratchet up very slowly. Personally I see no need to go anywhere near even 5..if your wrist dont throb at 5, then your gear could be junk...the risk for sides that sideline is so high, the potential damage permanent, for little upside. HGH in lower doses plus great diet plus smart exercise plus 8-9 hours sleep plus easy on alky and caffeine equals results brotha..not jacked up monster doses...

[goose]

if u mean 10iu china trash than save ur money and buy 4iu of human grade gh. u will get mor out of it.

95% of people cant even get or afford human grade,stupid post.I have gotten good results....

[Oki-Des]

I am now on 3.3IU/day and my hands are numb. What are the additional sides when bumping it up higher?

[Gear]

I am now on 3.3IU/day and my hands are numb. What are the additional sides when bumping it up higher?

Water retention and you might find the numbness can get worse.

-Gear

[***xxx***]

95% of people cant even get or afford human grade,stupid post.I have gotten good results....

thanks, thats also not a very elaborate post. if u can afford 10iu china trash, u can afford a few iu human grade.

nobody knows what the chinese sell as gh. nor if it really is gh, what I highly doubt for most of the products, or what by-products are in this powder. there is a big difference concerning the side effects if u use human grade or chinese crap, u would know if u would have used both.

Cautions and Potential Problems with
Generic and Compounded HGH, (Human Growth Hormone, generically called somatropin)

by Elmer M. Cranton, M.D.

HGH is large, a complex protein made in a cell culture using biotechnology—a process that is enormously more complex and different from manufacture of other types of generic drugs such as diuretics and blood pressure medicines. HGH is produced with delicate biological cultures using living cells replicating in complex mixtures of cell nutrients. It is difficult to ensure that any two protein cultures will produce identical molecules with the same 3-dimensional configuration in final product.

Purification and handling of proteins produced in cell cultures can cause variations in folding, unfolding, cross-linkages, and variable aggregates of multiple proteins hooked together as dimers and polymers. These can cause immune responses and allergy to HGH, even endogenously produced HGH by the pituitary gland. Extraction and purification are very complex and expensive. Tiny residues from the cell culture can contaminate the end-product. It is relatively easy to get hormone activity, but extensive testing and quality control is required to insure safety for any new follow-on protein biological (FOPP) such as generic HGH.

http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/cautions_generic_HGH.htm

[Peducho0113]

I think you should work your way up to 10ui a day instead of jumping to that dose. Remember that HGH is great but it takes time to see great results.

[bfsparty]

thanks, thats also not a very elaborate post. if u can afford 10iu china trash, u can afford a few iu human grade.

nobody knows what the chinese sell as gh. nor if it really is gh, what I highly doubt for most of the products, or what by-products are in this powder. there is a big difference concerning the side effects if u use human grade or chinese crap, u would know if u would have used both.



http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/cautions_generic_HGH.htm

GH from china is fine. In 3 years I have never heard of human vs non human gh.. Cranton writes his piece so he can sell humatrope to the microsoft millionaires in Bellevue at high prices...

I have gotten years worth of legit gh from compounding pharmacies that used the raw material from china. It checked out fine. Of all the big names, do you think all of the raw material comes from their OWN labs? hardly. Have heard that some of the big names actually import the raw material from china since it is fine and alot cheaper to use than make their own batches...

Also, friend of my buddy is a former genentech employee. He said the process is not all that complicated to make GH, it has been produced for over 20 years. There is even a market for used equipment to make the stuff...

[***xxx***]

GH from china is fine. In 3 years I have never heard of human vs non human gh.. Cranton writes his piece so he can sell humatrope to the microsoft millionaires in Bellevue at high prices...

I have gotten years worth of legit gh from compounding pharmacies that used the raw material from china. It checked out fine. Of all the big names, do you think all of the raw material comes from their OWN labs? hardly. Have heard that some of the big names actually import the raw material from china since it is fine and alot cheaper to use than make their own batches...

Also, friend of my buddy is a former genentech employee. He said the process is not all that complicated to make GH, it has been produced for over 20 years. There is even a market for used equipment to make the stuff...

I m sorry to inform u - but this is not true. I work in the pharmaceutical industry, one of the big players that actually produce gh. I can guarantee u that none of the big brands humatrope, norditropin, genotropin, saizen get their powder from any producer in China.

another thing: it is very complicated to produce gh. it s not like insuline, or testosterone. why do you think it took so long to develop the first bioidentical gh (omnitrope)? it s not throwing some ingredients into a big boiler, cook it for a while, stir it and fill it up into vials lol.

and why do u think that there is no registered Chinese GH in china? why are only European/American brands registered and sold? because Chinese love Americans and Europeans so much? do u think that there is no price pressure or economical problems concerning health insurances in China?

there is Chinese gh - but it s all u-lab stuff/illegally produced gh (from biotech companies) - and it may even work, but it s not pure and definately shows sideeffects, that are not common if u use human grade gh...

[plzr8]

good info but unfortunately american hgh like that leads to a major side effect known as 'EWS' (empty wallet syndrome) with such known outcomes as unpaid bills & angry landlords

[***xxx***]

There is even a market for used equipment to make the stuff...

used equipment lol - just to give u an idea how a fermenter for gh production looks like Ill post a picture for u:



and even if u would be able to get such a fermenter (used lol for a few million €) - u would still need a license from the chinese government to be allowed to produce that stuff. and this is only possible in a very few places in China. and even if u would have the fermenter and the license u would need the know how. do u honestly think u can get biotech experts in China for a lower price than in Europe/US? wrong. and salaries increase, every year minimum 10%. and if another company offers more money, they re gone, instantly. I know this, because we have the same problems in China.

and then, after u know all this, u honestly still believe even if they could put all things together they would be able to produce gh and sell it for 1/10 of the price of the American/European brands?

[***xxx***]

good info but unfortunately american hgh like that leads to a major side effect known as 'EWS' (empty wallet syndrome) with such known outcomes as unpaid bills & angry landlords

this may be true, but I d save longer to get real gh, instead of injecting something in my body that could lead to serious health issues just to save some bucks or to start gh earlier/or at all. if I couldn t afford real gh, I d stick to test.

[bfsparty]

this may be true, but I d save longer to get real gh, instead of injecting something in my body that could lead to serious health issues just to save some bucks or to start gh earlier/or at all. if I couldn t afford real gh, I d stick to test.

Great data and very cool picture. Keep in mind if you are pulling a check from the mighty pharma whose gear you espouse, you may seem a little biased.

Q: what grade is the gear I got from my compounding pharmacy? it has their label on it. Who would have made it? The compounding pharmacy does not have equip like that I imagine, so where did it come from?
Q: Could my pharmacy have sold me non human grade, and is that a violation?
Q: in GH, what confers "human grade" status? That I want to know..
Q: The stuff I have now, at 2IU day, had me at 295 IGF. Zero sides. Since it is off label, what risks may it carry compared to omnitrope ( which when I took, at a low dose, made everything hurt, and it was the worst gear experience, let alone the most expensive. Will never get that crap again)

[goose]

I have done both,the one thing we have in common is that the October fest is great and vixen with German woman is another level.

Im half way with you on this.Check out this,



http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=338158

thanks, thats also not a very elaborate post. if u can afford 10iu china trash, u can afford a few iu human grade.

nobody knows what the chinese sell as gh. nor if it really is gh, what I highly doubt for most of the products, or what by-products are in this powder. there is a big difference concerning the side effects if u use human grade or chinese crap, u would know if u would have used both.



http://www.drcranton.com/hrt/cautions_generic_HGH.htm

[goose]

There are about 7 places making HGH
powder in a lab in China, mostly the 192
amino acid variant known as somatrem.On
the discussion boards there is much arguing
about blue tops or red tops, but this means
nothing as no one is sure which one you are
getting from,nor where it was packed.These
vials and tops are readily available and used
for the packaging of all sorts of peptides.
Everybody speaks about GeneScience
Jintropin and its quality, but their main
technical man left GenSci a year ago.He still
owns 6% of the company,but he reportedly
left due to a dispute. He has since started
–producing HGH generic powder,which is
the correct 191 amino acids growth hormone
(somatropin), although it is made without
GMP license. This individual is selling the
technology and powders to many people,
and subsequently there are many new brands
CHINESE
GROWTH HORMONE
BY RONNY TOBER In the last summer issue of Body of Science
we published an extensive article about growth hormone. On our
forums there is a lot discussion on the brands, the prices, and the quality
of GH, especially that of Chinese origin. Generic Supplements, a
Dutch underground laboratory, had done several analyses through us
to find a constant and reliable API (raw powder) manufacturer.When
they asked me to try and find a laboratory that was able and willing to
analyse complex peptide hormones, because they wanted to analyse a
generic Chinese GH version, I was very sceptical. From the research of
the previous growth hormone article I knew that GeneScience had the
patent in China for the manufacture of GH by secretion technology.
And this method is the only one to produce 191 amino acid GH with
high purity.When they offered us a sample in January 2006,we took
it, and were very curious to find out the content.We ended up being
greatly surprised by the results.
28 Voof HGH now in circulation. Much of it
makes use of this legitimate powder,but are
all the products made of it of acceptable
quality? The answer, of course, is no.
The key problem with HGH is packing.
It cannot be packed in a kitchen. It cannot be
packaged in a simple lab with a basic clean
room or iso9001 (enough for tablet production)
climate system. It must be done in a very
specific controlled area with the right
machinery.Otherwise, the powder, even if it
is good itself,may degrade and cause welts or
injection point problems when administered.
The powder cannot sit for a long time when
exposed to air, even the small amount
trapped inside a vial when producing it.The
problem with a GMP license in China is
that it is not centralised.Every province has
its own SFDA GMP personnel.**********,
for example, has a real GMP certificate,
which can be checked on the SFDA website.
Chinese FDA allows only 8IU, so that would
be the approved item.A form of**********
is made with 10IU, but it is produced for
export only without SFDA approval. This
goes for all Chinese manufacturers.
So with all these different product and
regulations, how can you tell you have a
quality HGH product? One way to find out
if the powder is correctly packed is to pay
close attention when you first add the dilutent
to the powder vial.When you pierce the
needle (a small insulin needle is preferred)
through the rubber septum, the water should
be sucked into the vial without the need to
push the plunger.This is because it was properly
packaged without air, but a low-pressure
vacuum,inside.It will literally suck the diluent
in to fill the void. If you need to squeeze the
syringe to inject your liquid in order to get
any inside, it is not a good sign. It probably
means there is air inside the vial, and your
powder has been degraded to some degree.
On the forum these kind of issues where
heavily discussed and we decided to perform
more analyses on Chinese growth hormone.
These are the most common:
• Generic blue tops
• Kefei blue tops
• H Y G E T R O P I N (Figure 1)
• Getropin
• Brown or yellow tops
• Jintropin

[goose]

This was a copy and paste,cant show the rest as it breaks board rules,look jino was great a real great product,but now that is gone.What brand did SLY get caught with? Jino!!! A former MR O told me jino are great,I take his word over yours my deutsch buddy, I agree nothing is 100%,even the top sources and brands in China,its real ball shit.

[bfsparty]

This was a copy and paste,cant show the rest as it breaks board rules,look jino was great a real great product,but now that is gone.What brand did SLY get caught with? Jino!!! A former MR O told me jino are great,I take his word over yours my deutsch buddy, I agree nothing is 100%,even the top sources and brands in China,its real ball shit.

Thanks for great info. I had browns that were 8 a year ago, damn near pulled the needle ou of my hand when mixing, the vacuum was so tight! Sinc then I have had 10's, and no vacuum, but I still test out at 295 with 2IU. So not bad. have lately seen yellows and blue that are labeled with exp dates amount etc....

Also, had one time some unlabeled blues last year, was told to fridge em immediately, did a week later.....had too many particulates for my taste, and damn, the things were no good. Tested at 160 with em. All a crap shoot. But when I "wolfpack" it (all your pals on it the same kits at one time), and get tested...it it tests out for a sample of us, then that buys piece of mind a bit...

Oh yeah....10IUS is too much!!!

[***xxx***]

There are about 7 places making HGH
powder in a lab in China, mostly the 192
amino acid variant known as somatrem.On
the discussion boards there is much arguing
about blue tops or red tops, but this means
nothing as no one is sure which one you are
getting from,nor where it was packed.These
vials and tops are readily available and used
for the packaging of all sorts of peptides.
Everybody speaks about GeneScience
Jintropin and its quality, but their main
technical man left GenSci a year ago.He still
owns 6% of the company,but he reportedly
left due to a dispute. He has since started
–producing HGH generic powder,which is
the correct 191 amino acids growth hormone
(somatropin), although it is made without
GMP license. This individual is selling the
technology and powders to many people,
and subsequently there are many new brands
CHINESE
GROWTH HORMONE
BY RONNY TOBER In the last summer issue of Body of Science
we published an extensive article about growth hormone. On our
forums there is a lot discussion on the brands, the prices, and the quality
of GH, especially that of Chinese origin. Generic Supplements, a
Dutch underground laboratory, had done several analyses through us
to find a constant and reliable API (raw powder) manufacturer.When
they asked me to try and find a laboratory that was able and willing to
analyse complex peptide hormones, because they wanted to analyse a
generic Chinese GH version, I was very sceptical. From the research of
the previous growth hormone article I knew that GeneScience had the
patent in China for the manufacture of GH by secretion technology.
And this method is the only one to produce 191 amino acid GH with
high purity.When they offered us a sample in January 2006,we took
it, and were very curious to find out the content.We ended up being
greatly surprised by the results.
28 Voof HGH now in circulation. Much of it
makes use of this legitimate powder,but are
all the products made of it of acceptable
quality? The answer, of course, is no.
The key problem with HGH is packing.
It cannot be packed in a kitchen. It cannot be
packaged in a simple lab with a basic clean
room or iso9001 (enough for tablet production)
climate system. It must be done in a very
specific controlled area with the right
machinery.Otherwise, the powder, even if it
is good itself,may degrade and cause welts or
injection point problems when administered.
The powder cannot sit for a long time when
exposed to air, even the small amount
trapped inside a vial when producing it.The
problem with a GMP license in China is
that it is not centralised.Every province has
its own SFDA GMP personnel.**********,
for example, has a real GMP certificate,
which can be checked on the SFDA website.
Chinese FDA allows only 8IU, so that would
be the approved item.A form of**********
is made with 10IU, but it is produced for
export only without SFDA approval. This
goes for all Chinese manufacturers.
So with all these different product and
regulations, how can you tell you have a
quality HGH product? One way to find out
if the powder is correctly packed is to pay
close attention when you first add the dilutent
to the powder vial.When you pierce the
needle (a small insulin needle is preferred)
through the rubber septum, the water should
be sucked into the vial without the need to
push the plunger.This is because it was properly
packaged without air, but a low-pressure
vacuum,inside.It will literally suck the diluent
in to fill the void. If you need to squeeze the
syringe to inject your liquid in order to get
any inside, it is not a good sign. It probably
means there is air inside the vial, and your
powder has been degraded to some degree.
On the forum these kind of issues where
heavily discussed and we decided to perform
more analyses on Chinese growth hormone.
These are the most common:
• Generic blue tops
• Kefei blue tops
• H Y G E T R O P I N (Figure 1)
• Getropin
• Brown or yellow tops
• Jintropin

talking about biased: body of science is known to sell hyge on their board. so I wouldn t take the analysis of hyge and everything else on Chinese gh to seriously.

and speaking of mr. o: he must be working in the pharmaceutical industry, so he knows everything about the production of gh. good for him, two careers at the same time LOL

[goose]

talking about biased: body of science is known to sell hyge on their board. so I wouldn t take the analysis of hyge and everything else on Chinese gh to seriously.

and speaking of mr. o: he must be working in the pharmaceutical industry, so he knows everything about the production of gh. good for him, two careers at the same time LOL

God damm your full of shit,PM me your phone number or take my mine and we can talk about this in personal details as I have info I cant PM.

You got no concept of real experience,danke schoen.

You think a guy like SLY (who is worth 400$) Why would he inject jino?

Give your phone number lets talk

[plzr8]

hah its so true...the Sly incident was the best P.R. that GenSci could ask for

the man is worth so many millions and looks great at his age 60+, and is caught with jinos....talk about promotional

[GORILA-UNIT]

goose 4 i think im in luv with that booty on ur avator

[GORILA-UNIT]

personaly i've never done american or eurpean gh so i can't speculate about the quality differences based on personal experience. But i could say in the last 6month i have seen very good results even from these chines brands and when i switched from jins to other chineses brands like getropin i didn't notice any difference if anythink i though getropins was better. As far a 10ius of gh, i went to lab today to do blood test if everything comes out ok and i could get my hands on half decend price gh then i'm gonna a do 10ius with tren and prop and just go crazy with training. I do belive your diet and your training is the most important factors but i do wanna test to c wat different dosages do in terms of results. I'll keep u guys posted

[bfsparty]

personaly i've never done american or eurpean gh so i can't speculate about the quality differences based on personal experience. But i could say in the last 6month i have seen very good results even from these chines brands and when i switched from jins to other chineses brands like getropin i didn't notice any difference if anythink i though getropins was better. As far a 10ius of gh, i went to lab today to do blood test if everything comes out ok and i could get my hands on half decend price gh then i'm gonna a do 10ius with tren and prop and just go crazy with training. I do belive your diet and your training is the most important factors but i do wanna test to c wat different dosages do in terms of results. I'll keep u guys posted

Hey bud:
I would maybe start with 3 and see how it goes. It is not like aspirin, takes awhile to see the results. Perhaps not slam and shock. Alot of smart guys out there taking it, so maybe a thread on that topic alone is would be great.

To XXX: I think you did not answer my questions due to your conflict of interests, which I pointed out to you...LOL...cannot stand that one...

My final question is this XXX: do US congressman suddenly pass legislation banning the importation of chinese gh because they read about on the net? Have you ever seen the congressional calendar? They work like 40 days per year. They do nothing without something coming their way pal...

No: the pharmas like your boss pay lobbyist to get quick leg passed to hold onto their mighty GH profits, that is how it went down, and that is why I cannot get perfectly fine compounded gh legally anymore from my pharmacy/clinic. Your suits paid for the legislation, and now your employer gets to charge brain damage for the SAME SHIT! Quit drinking the Kool-Aid dude! If you worked for Gen Sci, you would be telling a different story.

[notanormalgent]

I've used almost every type of GH out there, am currently using Norditropin and am curious to switch back to Blue Tops for a little bit to note the differences, but I've run BT in the past and had great results.

[PT]

i have used both and of course the american pharmacy hgh is better but for the price differance(3-7 times higher) i will take the generic. i have used generic chinese hgh many times and have always had great results from it. as for the 10ius a day, like gear said i would start with 5ius and work your way up. personally i would love to run 10ius a day but anything over 6-7ius and my hands are so numb that there almost useless. i usually stick with 5-6ius a day for that reason and even with that dose i get some numbing and tingeling but nothing unbearable. good luck bro and let us know how it goes

[Nickster#1]

Great data and very cool picture. Keep in mind if you are pulling a check from the mighty pharma whose gear you espouse, you may seem a little biased.

Q: what grade is the gear I got from my compounding pharmacy? it has their label on it. Who would have made it? The compounding pharmacy does not have equip like that I imagine, so where did it come from?
Q: Could my pharmacy have sold me non human grade, and is that a violation?
Q: in GH, what confers "human grade" status? That I want to know..
Q: The stuff I have now, at 2IU day, had me at 295 IGF. Zero sides. Since it is off label, what risks may it carry compared to omnitrope ( which when I took, at a low dose, made everything hurt, and it was the worst gear experience, let alone the most expensive. Will never get that crap again)

Well, pharmacies CAN NOT compound hgh. Just not possible.
Pharmacies get alot of their drugs, whether it be compounding materials or generic form, from China. Just so you know, the majority of things made in this world and we use day to day, whether it be gh, drugs, your razor you shave with everyday, a pair of shoes, earphones, etc..........comes stright out of china. Big contraversie lately regarding certain drugs from china bought by USA pharms being fake. Read the news.
And I agree that the majority of gh out of china is as good as most out there. The differance being $, USA charges top $ for gh because they can. It isnt all that expensive to produce once you have the equipment.
It would be like, say a medical clinic buys a CT machine for 1.5 million usd, and then charge anywhere from 300usd to 2500usd a scan, depending on what your scanning. 10 scans a day at an average of 1000usd a scan, 5 days a week, scanner gets paid for within first year and then rest is profit. Only overhead is contrast and tech wages. Does the price of scans go down after equipment is paid for??? hahahahaha......... Hell no. The rest is pure profit, and the docs who own the scanner just reap the benifits and if anything, raise prices of scans. Same with equipment that produces hgh. USA wont lower price of gh because they dont have to. China mass produces, and dumps their product on us at a fraction of USA cost, and from mine and quite a few people I know, not too much differance in quality. Im not saying all gh from china is comparable with US gh, but for the most part, gh from china is just as good.
Sorry xxx, but you are a little off the mark bro.

[StrengthSWE]

I m sorry to inform u - but this is not true. I work in the pharmaceutical industry, one of the big players that actually produce gh. I can guarantee u that none of the big brands humatrope, norditropin, genotropin, saizen get their powder from any producer in China.

another thing: it is very complicated to produce gh. it s not like insuline, or testosterone. why do you think it took so long to develop the first bioidentical gh (omnitrope)? it s not throwing some ingredients into a big boiler, cook it for a while, stir it and fill it up into vials lol.

and why do u think that there is no registered Chinese GH in china? why are only European/American brands registered and sold? because Chinese love Americans and Europeans so much? do u think that there is no price pressure or economical problems concerning health insurances in China?

there is Chinese gh - but it s all u-lab stuff/illegally produced gh (from biotech companies) - and it may even work, but it s not pure and definately shows sideeffects, that are not common if u use human grade gh...

C&P from ****...written by William Llewellyn:

********** HGH – Is it Legit?
Q: What do you know about **********? It is Chinese GH, but I heard only GenSci Jintropin is legit GH from China. Is this stuff for real?

A: Good timing that you asked. We recently put together an article for Body of Science that looks at the issue of the new Chinese growth hormone products. For this piece we tested some raw powders that were acquired by a Dutch underground labs we have relations with, as well as a sample of **********. We were very curious to see if these new powders/products coming from China claiming to be somatropin were legit. After all, GeneScience (GenSci) is known to have the patent on the technology used to make somatropin. All other manufactures in the past were making only somatrem, the 192 amino acid variant known in the U.S. as Protropin. As it turns out, one of the main lab guys left GenSci recently, and has started producing bulk rHGH (191 AA somatropin) for a manufacturing facility. As you can guess, the products we tested turned out to be legit somatropin. ********** is a legit product, at least the batch we tested. It was very pure. Given the very high cost for peptide analysis, I don’t have the resources to run samples through the lab very often. But in this case the money was well spent, and we were able to confirm that there are some new legitimate somatropin brands on the Chinese export market.

[Gear]

I have always had a lot of time for both William and Ronny, but I would like to see a lab analysis before I believe the article above.

So one of the employees has left GenSci, that's totally understandable, but I am unclear about a few other things so here we go.

First of all, you need a license to manufacture 191aa HGH or is he doing it illegally?

Second, to start producing 191aa HGH multi million dollar equipment is necessary, so does he have this equipment? Did he happen to have that much money saved up so he went and bought the equipment? (Not to mention you need a license to purchase this type of equipment). If that's the case that would be hard to believe.

And number 3, it does not take one person to manufacture HGH, especially 191aa HGH so surely he could not be doing this on his own. If you do some research on companies who manufacture 191aa HGH you will realise the place where that particular HGH is being manufactured contains many employees all doing a different job. Manufacturing HGH is certainly not like making pancakes.

I am not taking anyones side here, I believe both Goose and xxx are in the right. As Goose said, Chinese HGH works for himself and many others so why use anything else? That's fair enough.

But as xxx said, a lot of users will experience a negative reaction to Chinese brands, and these negative reactions only occur with Chinese brands, never pharma grade HGH. So this being the case, it makes you wonder about the purity and the amino acid structure in Chinese HGH brands.

I have nothing against Chinese HGH brands, they do work no question about it, so if it works for you then keep on using it. But for some, Chinese brands don't work, so IMO, if you have never used HGH before and are looking at using Chinese brands in the future then keep in mind that you are taking a risk of purchasing a product which your body may reject, or you can spend a bit of extra money and purchase pharmaceutical grade HGH which you can be sure will work, but that's just my opinion.

Enough from me.

-Gear

[goose]

Very nice post gear,the truth is pharm grade HGH is going to get so hard to get and expensive unless you get it from a doctor or your very elite no chance,some new harder laws coming.The market will not give us guys a choice,its china or bust.

[High-roller]

I heard you can use HGH for lowering BF% in month and a half, is this true?