What to expect from Deca alone?

[SecureZone]

Initially I thought about Test e/c, but due to baldness issues (as my mom's side has baldness). I thought about hGH, but it's too expensive.

Now, Deca seems baldness-free, and thinking to run a cycle with only Deca.

What would I expect from a Deca-only cycle?
How long would I need (approximately) to see noticeable changes?
Is it true that Deca cycles should not exceed 8 weeks in order to prevent joint pain (caused by drying joints)?


Cheers,
SZ

[AFB]

Initially I thought about Test e/c, but due to baldness issues (as my mom's side has baldness). I thought about hGH, but it's too expensive.

Now, Deca seems baldness-free, and thinking to run a cycle with only Deca.

What would I expect from a Deca-only cycle?
How long would I need (approximately) to see noticeable changes?
Is it true that Deca cycles should not exceed 8 weeks in order to prevent joint pain (caused by drying joints)?


Cheers,
SZ

In the final week of a 12-week Deca only cycle. If I could go back, I would have stacked it with test, but I didn't know that I would be able to get the test until after I began the deca. Plus, I didn't want to overdo it, considering that this was my first cycle in a long time.

As far as my results, it took a good four to five weeks before the results began. Strength picked up very good, but size was a bit disappointing. I ate great and added approx. 8-10 pounds of body weight. Physical appearance is better, considering that I'm not exactly a young man anymore.

I have read that deca cycles should be 10 to 12 weeks long, and if you have joint pain, it will make that a lot better. That I can attest to. (I have never heard about longer than 8 weeks having any effect on joints.) It was also said that sex drive will be down, but that was not a problem with me. Lucky, I guess.

All in all, OK results, but I honestly expected better. After doing more research on boards like this, I realized that deca only cycles are not encouraged and should be stacked. But if you have no other choice, it will give you a good boost.

[RAWDEAL:]

Initially I thought about Test e/c, but due to baldness issues (as my mom's side has baldness). I thought about hGH, but it's too expensive.

Now, Deca seems baldness-free, and thinking to run a cycle with only Deca.

What would I expect from a Deca-only cycle?
How long would I need (approximately) to see noticeable changes?
Is it true that Deca cycles should not exceed 8 weeks in order to prevent joint pain (caused by drying joints)?


Cheers,
SZ

YOU can expect a limp dick, and about 10 good lbs from a 12-16 wk cycle..pretty lean also if your diets correct. You probably will notice it on aprox week 4 if you do not run a kick....But all and all, i think it's fine..your PCT will have to be good, Nandrolones shut you down like nothing else IMO...i have run Tren alone also...lost libido, sweat like a matha, but hell, i gained 12 lean lbs in 12 wks of 100mg ED od ACE...ruff, but sweet results...

[kfrost06]

Initially I thought about Test e/c, but due to baldness issues (as my mom's side has baldness). I thought about hGH, but it's too expensive.

Now, Deca seems baldness-free, and thinking to run a cycle with only Deca.

What would I expect from a Deca-only cycle?
How long would I need (approximately) to see noticeable changes?
Is it true that Deca cycles should not exceed 8 weeks in order to prevent joint pain (caused by drying joints)?


Cheers,
SZ

two very good post answering your questions and I would add that you do not want to do anything under 8 weeks in fact I would say a minimum of 10weeks and aim for 12 weeks. Your joints will actually get better with deca not worse. You can expect some solid gains in size and strength from deca, a good high protien diet and serious work outs. As for balding you will want to avoid DHTs like masteron, winny, anavar, etc. There is also are popular 5a reductase inhibitors out there that you can take with testosterone that will prevent it from being reduced to DHT which will in turn prevent the balding side effects of that compound.

[shifty_git]

Always use a test base, even if its a HRT dose...

All aas will suppress / shut down natty production.

Think what test does for you - sex drive, general well being, and also the fact with no natty test in ya system where is nothing to convert into a little bit of estrogen (which in a small amount is actually a good thing and will help with gains)

A HRT dose is recommended. Even if you do have a small amount convert to DHT (which is what can cause hairloss) and you are DHT sensitive, look into adding finasteride to your cycle.

[shifty_git]

two very good post answering your questions and I would add that you do not want to do anything under 8 weeks in fact I would say a minimum of 10weeks and aim for 12 weeks. Your joints will actually get better with deca not worse. You can expect some solid gains in size and strength from deca, a good high protien diet and serious work outs. As for balding you will want to avoid DHTs like masteron, winny, anavar, etc. There is also are popular 5a reductase inhibitors out there that you can take with testosterone that will prevent it from being reduced to DHT which will in turn prevent the balding side effects of that compound.

Well put sir.

[feanixco]

What to expect from Deca alone?

A limp dick

[SecureZone]

Thanks brothers, most of my doubts answered, just few more questions:

• Lost libido: Is it during Deca cycle, or after it? And how long would it take to have it back?
• Limp dick: Is it during the Deca cycle, or after it? And how long to have it back as before?
• Post Cycle: How much loss to expect when having improper PCT with Deca-only cycles? What guidelines to follow to keep gains post the workout?
• Anti-estrogen: How much of Nolvadex should I take and how frequent? I've read that with Test e/c it's suggested to have 20mgs/day, but never read anything for Deca-only cycles. Deca is known to have far less test-to-estrogen conversion and I need to know what's enough. What I know is that it has 20% of Test's conversion. So, that would be 4mgs of Nolvadex with Deca (20% of 20mg is 4mg). Is this the right way of doing it?

I feel safe about estrogen conversion, easily controlled by Nolvadex or similars. The reason I'm away from Test e/c is DHT. Because 5AR inhibitors aren't deemed safe enough, as they may lead to permanent libido and erectile dysfunction even for short term use.

Eager to hear your valuable responses.


Cheers,
SZ

[KorperTrainerung]

Hey man I know its convienant to ask your specific question and have it answered, but you should take the initiative and do your research. You'll learn a lot more about not just the stuff you want to do, but other things as well. Decca dick is a problem, can occur during and after cycle due to deca being a progestin and shutting down your own natural test. Running base test can prevent this and is strongly required like the guys before me have done. Stay away from Nolv when running 19nor compounds such as deca. Arimidex should be fine, keep some on hand during incase gyno. But this isn't too strong of a cycle so HCG post may not be necassary but clomid is definately an option. Like I said man, you definately need to do some more research before just asking these Q's. There are already thousands of articles describing everything you want and need to know about running this cycle. Don't mean to harp too much, good luck and let us know what you finally conclude.

[exodito]

My own experience:
LOST LIBIDO: after cycle
LIMP DICK: started about week 7(10 week cycle)
PCT: just 20mg of nolvadex for a month.

I have heard that deca can cause gyno and taking nolva will only make it worse in some occasions(not me).

If I were to do a deca cycle again it would never be deca only, deff stacked with some test. I learned my leason.

[anabolicalpha]

Actually i hear deca is one of the cleanest roids you can take, ive heard of people getting deca dick but, all my buddies who have taken it said they have no problems and their girlfriends admit it too. Everyones body is different though man.

Deca would take about 8-12 weeks till you start seeing stuff, slight water retention but not too much.

[sigmatro11]

I have taken a deca only cycle before and the PCT is a MUST! I never saw signs of deca dick and I ran for 12 weeks. But a few weeks after I was off your libido is gone COMPLETELY the hottest chick in the world could have gotten naked in front of me and I wouldnt have been in the mood! Its AWFUL!!!!! So make sure you know your stuff and have a good PCT planned out. I worked my butt off and put on 18 lbs. My friends on the other hand took the same stuff and didnt watch their diet and only gained 6 lbs. So it is all up to you and the effort you are willing to put in!

[kfrost06]

Thanks brothers, most of my doubts answered, just few more questions:

• Lost libido: Is it during Deca cycle, or after it? And how long would it take to have it back?
  
  both, due to no testosterone, your body stops making it
  
• Limp dick: Is it during the Deca cycle, or after it? And how long to have it back as before?
  
  both, due to no testosterone, your body stops making it
  
• Post Cycle: How much loss to expect when having improper PCT with Deca-only cycles? What guidelines to follow to keep gains post the workout?
  
  very little loss, IMO it's the best gear out there for keepable gains.
  
• Anti-estrogen: How much of Nolvadex should I take and how frequent?
  none, avoid SERMs when on a 19-nor
  
  I've read that with Test e/c it's suggested to have 20mgs/day, but never read anything for Deca-only cycles. Deca is known to have far less test-to-estrogen conversion and I need to know what's enough. What I know is that it has 20% of Test's conversion. So, that would be 4mgs of Nolvadex with Deca (20% of 20mg is 4mg). Is this the right way of doing it?

again no nolva with deca, deca is a prgestin and you have to worry about the PgR(progestorone receptors) so use an AI like adex or letro but only use them if you need them because they can hinder gains.

I feel safe about estrogen conversion, easily controlled by Nolvadex or similars. The reason I'm away from Test e/c is DHT. Because 5AR inhibitors aren't deemed safe enough, as they may lead to permanent libido and erectile dysfunction even for short term use.

Eager to hear your valuable responses.


Cheers,
SZ

I put the answers under questions

[AFB]

My own experience:
LOST LIBIDO: after cycle
LIMP DICK: started about week 7(10 week cycle)
PCT: just 20mg of nolvadex for a month.

I have heard that deca can cause gyno and taking nolva will only make it worse in some occasions(not me).

If I were to do a deca cycle again it would never be deca only, deff stacked with some test. I learned my leason.

I'm curious to hear about your experience with the pct. I just finished a 12 week deca ony cycle and have the nolva on hand, but now reading some different opinions on what to use. Thx