Junior Member
im 23 235pds 6'1. good diet. got to lose a few pounds and want to trade it for some mass. body fat 22% i know diet and exercise are the best but i want to have some help. so here is the cycle
1cc 250mg test E. every 5 days
1cc 100mg prop. every 5 days
dbol 30mg ED
clen 80mcg ED
t3 cytomel 50mcg ED
what ya think
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I think your bf is too high.
Please explain your logic in using the test e and prop in this fashion, it escapes me.
Junior Member
just to bulk up a lil. i think im trying to do the impossible here and lose fat and bulk up at the same time. is my body fat to high for just the clen and t3? with a good diet of course
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I still don't understand your reason to use the test e and prop this way, please explain.
Knowledgeable Member
to bulk up is to build mass, and to lose fat is to lose mass.... thats hard to do anyways... and ur bf is high... i'd advise to get that lowered so you risk less in heart problems and such... people differ here about bf % and cycling, but i'd say under roughly 18% minimum... cause ur body will be under strain w/ aas along w/ ur weights and then clen and such.. and truthfuly losing 3% bf when its 22% to begin w/ wont be to hard w/o diet and cardio... just my 2 cents...
Junior Member
i thought prop was a steroid enhancer. so i take it with the test to get more from it.
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please step away from the syringe, nice and easy...Originally Posted by pblee
bro you need to do a LOT more research, you haven't a clue what you are doing.
New Member
prop is a type of test. unless you guys are talking about something diffrent.. lol
Knowledgeable Member
test e and test prop.... same basic kind of steroid... but different half lifes...
New Member
yeah... dont think about using any type of test without reading about it.. but just my 2 pennies
Knowledgeable Member
at least hes askin about it rather then jumpin in and then askin why...
Junior Member
maybe i read wrong but like i said i thought i read it was a steroid enhancer. good to take with bout anythuing. kind of like a bonus
New Member
well yeah test is good to take with about everything.. test p is more for a cutting cycle (well atleast thats what i know of) and test e is more for a bulking but they both can be used for eaither one.. but yeah test is just an all around enhancer for a cycle i prefer to run test with every cycle but thats just me.. but before going any further with this you should start reading alot more..
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line out your proposed pct for us please
Junior Member
well ive done alot of cycles. know an ok bit about it. but there are so many new and different things out there. i just have the prop and test and the exp. date is getting close so want to use it before i lose it.
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what are the new and different things out of what you proposed?
Veritas, Aequitas ~
you've done a lot of cycles but your bodyfat is 22%....that certainly says something about both your cycles, and your diet
Junior Member
i got my pct. do a lot more research?? i told you from the start i thought i was trying to do the impossible here.
Junior Member
meant more of how to take it and opinions on how and what to take, how to take it, how much. that kind of stuff. not new steroids
New Member
just my 2 cents.. just making sure you dont hurt yourself and know what your taking.. oyu may know alot about aas but what i ment as for research i ment on what your about to take.
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what is your pct? dosages and durations.
and yes, you can't effectively bulk and cut at the same time.
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also it would help if you wrote this out in a typical fashion, see in red above
Junior Member
were still on the cycle part bro. cant set up my pct without knowing what im going to take since my cycle is no good
Junior Member
a year straight sounds good. ha. my cycles last 8-10 weeks.
Anabolic Member
bulking requires you to eat more calories than you burn daily, to cut you need to burn more than you can consume..polar opposites..pick one or the other..test e and test prop are both testosterone but with different esters and half lifes..prop has a very short half life and needs to be administered every other day..go to steroid profile section and read about the differences
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thank God, reinforcements arrive
Junior Member
maybe its just me but BIG you sound like you may want to put down the needle. i think you may be having a side affect of roid rage or maybe im just reading it all wrong
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No bro, that's not it at all. We frequently get n00bs here and in their posts you can tell they have no idea what they are doing. They all tell us how much they have researched, and how they know how to cycle, then make absurd statements that reflect a complete lack of understanding of what they are doing. I started learning about gear in my early 20's, and ran my first cycle in my 30's. If you don't even understand the different esters of test, what their strengths and weaknesses are, then you clearly have been researching the wrong things. Test should be the base of any real cycle and you don't even comprehend the difference in prop and a long ester, yet you want to use them both. Your logic behind it? Who knows.
Knowledgeable Member
whoa!!!! i think i'm just gonna sit back for this...
Junior Member
hey bro. im just asking question and big wants to get crazy. so taking prop and test e wont hurt just wont really do any good. ok. so you dont like my cycle. cool. just tell me why and tell me what to take and not. now i know about prop. i know what i read tho. it did say it enhanced steroids. so
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taking prop and test e is fine, provided you know why you want to. You could start a cycle with prop to get your test levels up faster. Or, you could finish the cycle with prop so you can start pct sooner. Knowledge is power, and these are the things you should have sorted before your first cycle. Sorry if I offended you.
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Amorphic in the house
Veritas, Aequitas ~
Amorphic in the house
to the poster, what were your previous cycles? it amazes me that you ran 'lots' of cycles yet dont know the difference between prop and enanthate.
the expiration date isnt an issue, a lot of guys run gear that is expired with no issues.
Veritas, Aequitas ~
actually no. you are asking us to just give you the go ahead for an extremely poor cycle. Big has the knowlege and proper attitude regarding steroid use, and is not stupid enough to just go along with this ridiculous cycle you proposed.
i for one will not offer you any other advice other than to do some cardio and some research.....thats all you need.
Junior Member
i told you just because i had them both and the exp. date was running out so wanted to use it.
Junior Member
i have done alot of cycles in the past of course. i just started back after about 1.5 years off. i use to have low teens. got a girlfriend and gained a few.
Junior Member
i dont want approval of this cycle i want to learn more. you say its not good. cool. im not going to do it. im just going to do cardio with the clen and t3 for 4 weeks then off 2 weeks then another 4 weeks. then 2 weeks off and start a bulking cycle of dbol test e and maybe some deca.
Veritas, Aequitas ~
i'd be careful running t3 when you arent on a cycle... you can potentially lose a lot of muscle with the fat you burn.
Junior Member
my first was test e. just 250mg evert 5 days for 12 weeks. then took 6 weeks off. i then ran tren a with prop for the same time only eod injections. and so on
Junior Member
what?? t3 and clen are the best to join with or without a cycle or maybe i read wrong
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