how many budybuilders do you think...

[dirtball_619]

know what there taking (juice wise)? What i mean is, a huge percentage of users dont have the knowledge we do on this board, simply because the info isn't out there.

You pretty much got to have internet access to know the ins and outs of cycling you know what im saying guys?

Do you think bodybuilders like ruhl, heath, coleman, cutler etc... have the time or even interest in sitting on the computer for hours researching what hormones do what and what there mechanisms are etc...

Im sure they have nutritionists putting together there cycles or some kind of professional guidance.

i just couldnt really picture ronnie sitting on his computer reading an article about how many factors are included when gyno forms, or via what mechanisms do IGF-1 help build muscle and burn fat.

[dirtball_619]

bodybuilders**** haha typo in the thread title.... wooops

[200byjune]

i think the white guy u see in the deadlift video is his dealer. just my opinion though. he gets seen in his videos. sets up his diets and sells him the gear. gets to spend time with him. sounds fun to me. ive met ronnie once and wow its amazing hes like wow its crazy

[dirtball_619]

he does look like the type doesnt he. hahaha. why else would he have him as his lacky

[kaberle_15]

They have other people putting their cycles together for them, if a pro came on here and listed their cycle they would get flammed

[200byjune]

They have other people putting their cycles together for them, if a pro came on here and listed their cycle they would get flammed

i dont understand. if they do it wrong and we do it right why the **** do we do it right when they obviously getbetter results and dont give me this great genetics bullcrap because i no of genetics

[dirtball_619]

huh,

"Alright bro's, i wanna run 300mg ANADROL for 12 weeks to jumpstart my 4 grams of test EW cycle that will last 8 months, along with 200mg's tren ace ED and 1800 mg's of deca EW. 16IU's HGH ED for a year, 12 iu's slin ED 4 months on 4 off, oh and throw in some IGF @ 100MCGS ED for a few months too! hows that sound boys? ive been ON for the past 14 years if thats enouph cycle experience for ya?"

[kaberle_15]

i dont understand. if they do it wrong and we do it right why the **** do we do it right when they obviously getbetter results and dont give me this great genetics bullcrap because i no of genetics

They aren't doing it "wrong" they just run crazy doses and people's jaws would drop here if they hear what some of them took in the past.

[200byjune]

actually dirtball thats pretty close. the adrol is off. but i no of someone that has cycled like that. and id say the hgh dose would be higher

[PEWN]

yeah, the hgh would be like 12ius twice a day.

[T3/T4 GSR]

Those dudes easily must clear 60k in gear a year

[Amorphic]

i forget who said it but i remember hearing that contest prep is over 20k $ in aas.

[Beefkake31]

i dont understand. if they do it wrong and we do it right why the **** do we do it right when they obviously getbetter results and dont give me this great genetics bullcrap because i no of genetics

I've said this before, I'm starting to realize more and more genetics plays a HUUUGE factor. I know a lot of people that do everything right, and I mean to the dot with training, dieting, sleeping, and even doing cycles and some even after 3 years look like your average joe. And I've seen so many times people post throughout the years on this forum saying that they can't grow and a vet says post all your info you have to be doing something wrong. And when they post everything, and everything is perfect the vet will nitpick something like 50 calories are off lol. It's like I'm sorry to tell you but if the guy is doing everything else right and no results then those 50 calories are not going to make the difference. Anyway, I don't know why I went into this semi rant lol. But Genetics to me, and through my own experiences are huuuuge.

[IronReload04]

I've said this before, I'm starting to realize more and more genetics plays a HUUUGE factor. I know a lot of people that do everything right, and I mean to the dot with training, dieting, sleeping, and even doing cycles and some even after 3 years look like your average joe. And I've seen so many times people post throughout the years on this forum saying that they can't grow and a vet says post all your info you have to be doing something wrong. And when they post everything, and everything is perfect the vet will nitpick something like 50 calories are off lol. It's like I'm sorry to tell you but if the guy is doing everything else right and no results then those 50 calories are not going to make the difference. Anyway, I don't know why I went into this semi rant lol. But Genetics to me, and through my own experiences are huuuuge.

do you think flex wheeler and paul dillet do everything perfect, and to the tea?

[IronReload04]

the cold hard truth is, that some guys
eat fruit loops for breakfast
a sandwich for lunch
and skip dinner
train half ass
take enormous amounts of gear, and end up 275 pounds at 10 percent bodyfat

while some guys take equally as much gear
eat 500 grams of protein a day
get 9-10 hours of sleep a day
train like a freaking caged animal
and dont really have much to show for it.....it sucks





The fact is guys, if you had to come here, and ask questions about how to workout, or how to eat, or have tried everything and just cant seem to get results, most likely, you dont have "it".




I wouldnt be to discouraged though. Some guys have to work insanely hard to reach elite levels ex dorian yates. Hard work and determination and above average genetics can put you ahead of guys who have alian genetics and a mediocre work ethic. hard work and determination and above average gentics can turn you into a champ.

If you have average genetics or worse, make the best of what you got. enjoy this game. and be superior to 99.9999999999999999999% of the world. You may never reach dorian status, but you sure as hell can make elite status.

[Beefkake31]

do you think flex wheeler and paul dillet do everything perfect, and to the tea?

I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing? But if you're asking no I don't think they do everything perfect, hence the genetics.

[IronReload04]

i think the white guy u see in the deadlift video is his dealer. just my opinion though. he gets seen in his videos. sets up his diets and sells him the gear. gets to spend time with him. sounds fun to me. ive met ronnie once and wow its amazing hes like wow its crazy

I am almost 80 percent sure Brian dobson got caught in operation raw deal, and rolled. somone correct me if im wrong

[IronReload04]

I don't know if you're agreeing with me or disagreeing? But if you're asking no I don't think they do everything perfect, hence the genetics.

see post 15 my man

[Beefkake31]

And also, don't get me wrong there are people with fair or average genetics who just have to work 10 times harder for the same results. But I am talking about the people that just don't have "it" no matter what they do. And to be honest it sucks for those guys.

[Beefkake31]

see post 15 my man

Just saw it

[firmechicano831]

yeah genetics, gear and hard work is what pays off.

[godkilla]

i dont think there are many guys who could get to a pro level and not know what there putting in there bodies.

about genetic. genetics are great but i dont think they are as limiting as some may think. you can still bodybuild and get huge with crap genetics, youll just never be mr olympia.

i looked just like all these 140lbs "hardgainers" and "crap genetics" guys when i started working out also, but that hasnt stopped me from putting on 70lbs of muscle in the last 4-5yrs. not to mention i have been injured and almost died during this time, so who knows where i would be without the injuries and illness. btw i consider myself to have crap genetics for bodybuilding, lol.

[moregunsthanroses]

the cold hard truth is, that some guys
eat fruit loops for breakfast
a sandwich for lunch
and skip dinner
train half ass
take enormous amounts of gear, and end up 275 pounds at 10 percent bodyfat

while some guys take equally as much gear
eat 500 grams of protein a day
get 9-10 hours of sleep a day
train like a freaking caged animal
and dont really have much to show for it.....it sucks





The fact is guys, if you had to come here, and ask questions about how to workout, or how to eat, or have tried everything and just cant seem to get results, most likely, you dont have "it".




I wouldnt be to discouraged though. Some guys have to work insanely hard to reach elite levels ex dorian yates. Hard work and determination and above average genetics can put you ahead of guys who have alian genetics and a mediocre work ethic. hard work and determination and above average gentics can turn you into a champ.

If you have average genetics or worse, make the best of what you got. enjoy this game. and be superior to 99.9999999999999999999% of the world. You may never reach dorian status, but you sure as hell can make elite status.

Good post.. Genetics play a big part in results much more then people would like to believe. those with good muscle buidling genetics like to downplay how much of a part it plays in your success. It sorta reminds me of the saying you don't know what you've got until it's gone but you don't lose good genetics, they will fade with old age but they don't magically disappear


For EX the average male test level is 300-1,000 ng/dl .. if you took a guy with a level in the upper 800's who was making good gains in muscle/ strength. lets say this guy is 5"10 200lbs 12% bf.. somehow his test level magically droped to 300 . Assuming no other variables changed IE his diet stayed the same and his weight lifting scheduel didnt vary.

What would happen to his muscle and weight lifting numbers, would they pleateau, gain at a much slower rate, gain at a sligtly lower rate, or could he lose muscle, until his body reached a state of homeostatis?


ok end of my

I'd say most juicers don't have the knowledge that we around 2/3rds or so

IMO the pros have much more knowledge then the average guy on here(esp since most of us are just rec weight lifters/BBers.) They're also on extremely high doses of every muscle building substance know to man(Even celltech that's all jay cutler uses!!) And them having great genetics just tops it off from them to get to that elite top level.