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    Saying your all natural is bullshit

    I have been thinking about the whole "I am natural" vs. "I use gear" and think it is meaningless. I will elaborate on what I mean.

    Argument 1:
    Almost all of the dairy has synthetic hormones introduced into them prior to human consumption. This is not natural.

    Argument 2:
    Almost 90% of food you purchase at the supermarket has artificial ingredients or genetically modified foods (GMOs) and most "natural" people WILL consume both additional hormone and artificial ingredients through modern food intake.

    Argument 3:
    What is really ironic is that some BB's inject testosterone which does naturally occur in the human body, as opposed to the contents of arguments #1 and #2.

    Basically what I am saying is that because of the way that modern food is being processed and engineered, saying you are natural is completely false. The only REALISTIC way someone could claim they are natural is if they ate 100% organic food for the entirety of life. And who does that or can afford that?

    Just wanted to share some thoughts I had recently. Feel free to tear them apart if you desire.

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    I am natural is just a frase stating that you dont use gear,your reading into it to much.But an interesting point indeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by pumpd4lif View Post
    I am natural is just a frase stating that you dont use gear,your reading into it to much.But an interesting point indeed
    That may be true. I guess the motivation to actually think about this is the associating health connotations with "natural" that make it seem more healthy.

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    saying that when you eat fina enhanced beef the hormones get transfered to your bloodstream is like saying you can drink fina.

    im sure a small percentage like .0000001% of these hormones are transfered from the meat to your body but thats not really enouph to see yourself as unnatural Imo.

    i doubt anyone in this world is natural from your prospective, maybe some 3rd world country occupants

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    Like above, you are reading into it too much.

    Thats like comparing an all natural bodybuilder (all organic if you please) to my grandma and saying the guy is natural and my grandma isnt because she drinks processed milk.

    It is a statement that has to do with AAS not the production of food. They dont process these foods in order to prodouce and anabolic response within the body, but we inject aas to do just that.

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    I agree with you about organic being better 100%. But I dont think its unnatural to eat non-organic foods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by C_Bino View Post
    Like above, you are reading into it too much.

    Thats like comparing an all natural bodybuilder (all organic if you please) to my grandma and saying the guy is natural and my grandma isnt because she drinks processed milk.

    It is a statement that has to do with AAS not the production of food. They dont process these foods in order to prodouce and anabolic response within the body, but we inject aas to do just that.
    There is an anabolic effect though, hence research studies evaluating changes in adolescent development compared to past data.

    I just get tired of hearing people saying "I'm all natural" like they are better when in reality they probably are less healthy if they ingest a plethora of artificial ingredients and GMOs.

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    if anything, the hormones in meats probably have a negative effect on our bodies own hormones, or so I have read. the whole argument is rediculous. comparing injecting a gram or more of test and the negligible amount in meat, which probably eventually gets destroyed anyway, is just, well, you got the picture.

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    What if you took andro before it was illegal, are you natural?

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    I think it's sometimes being sarcastic, lol.

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    Or test when and where its legal

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    Well, I think it's just a way of saying yes/no, I do/don't perforate my ass to achieve muscles.

    I'm all natural = don't perforate my ass

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    like everyone else said...obviously "natural" has a specific context in bodybuilding. it has nothing to do with you food you eat, or the synthetic stew of chemicals that exsist in every human body from the engineered products we eat and medications we take, its an esoteric term that gives distinction between people who take steroids to chemically enhance thier bodies and people who dont.. are fake tits the same as real tits because they both might have tissue containing particles inside them from man made origins? not to say someone whos on steroids has fake muscles, but you know what im sayin.

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    Hormones are natural, so yes I'm all natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blome View Post
    Hormones are natural, so yes I'm all natural.
    Ditto.

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    I'm 80% natrual....close enough for me

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    Do prohormones make you "not natural"

    Does taking creatine make you "not natural"

    I agree with the testosterone thing... its made naturally in the body

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk3624 View Post
    I have been thinking about the whole "I am natural" vs. "I use gear" and think it is meaningless. I will elaborate on what I mean.

    Argument 1:
    Almost all of the dairy has synthetic hormones introduced into them prior to human consumption. This is not natural.

    Argument 2:
    Almost 90% of food you purchase at the supermarket has artificial ingredients or genetically modified foods (GMOs) and most "natural" people WILL consume both additional hormone and artificial ingredients through modern food intake.

    Argument 3:
    What is really ironic is that some BB's inject testosterone which does naturally occur in the human body, as opposed to the contents of arguments #1 and #2.

    Basically what I am saying is that because of the way that modern food is being processed and engineered, saying you are natural is completely false. The only REALISTIC way someone could claim they are natural is if they ate 100% organic food for the entirety of life. And who does that or can afford that?

    Just wanted to share some thoughts I had recently. Feel free to tear them apart if you desire.
    I disagree. I don't do steroids, I don't inject anything into me, I let my body sort out how to repair the muscle based on the food I feed it. If you take steroids, and I call you out, don't get all pissed, man up to it. Until I shoot myself I will always call myself natural.

    Your argument is like saying because I eat more food than you that I am not all natural. Sure, I am giving my body more of what it needs, but it's no where near the same as me putting high levels of artificial test in my body.

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    some guys think to much into it.

    its a simple question is to are you using AAS in your body or not.

    protein or supplements arent AAS.

    and by that i mean external hormones, if you are natural or not means are you using hormones outside your body and putting them in your body.

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    I really like when people tell me "Im 190lbs and bench 315...all natural"....... Like I'm supposed to give them a cookie or a medal for that or something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I really like when people tell me "Im 190lbs and bench 315...all natural"....... Like I'm supposed to give them a cookie or a medal for that or something.
    You have cookies???

    Were have you been, haven't seen you battling in the political threads in awhile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AandF6969 View Post
    Do prohormones make you "not natural"

    Does taking creatine make you "not natural"

    I agree with the testosterone thing... its made naturally in the body
    use this as a gauge, if you would call it a steroid in the Q and A section than you are not natural for taking it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I really like when people tell me "Im 190lbs and bench 315...all natural"....... Like I'm supposed to give them a cookie or a medal for that or something.
    yeah, muscle is muscle, whatever gets you to your goals. I look how I want to look, but I cheated. Is god not going to let me in the pearlly gates now?

    BTW I want a cookie.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    I really like when people tell me "Im 190lbs and bench 315...all natural"....... Like I'm supposed to give them a cookie or a medal for that or something.
    good point. lol those are those skiny football guys that talk about their one rep max they can bench off their chest. they barely look like they even workout.

    i love what he said, ya what you supposed to give them a cookie or a treat or something or clap cause he is natural.

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    So if someone takes 10 grams of creatine (naturally occurs in body) they are all natural.

    But if they take 1 gram of test (naturally occurs in the body) they are not all natural.

    Sometimes this shit makes me laugh.

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    who cares, like the other guy said its like what you want a cookie or a treat or something or me to clap for you.

    Even alot of those "natural bodybuilders" have used AAS at one point or another. i am not sure but you could cycle and do a show in a year and it wont show up in the testing.

    i agree with this thread even more know saying this all natural thing is stupid.

    but they are refeering to taking AAS from outside the body.

    creatine isnt AAS.

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    how about clen and t3?

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    wow who cares. I dont know where you guys are from but i never heard so many bitch about who's on what. Alot of you guys say you get it from family or friends. Nobody gives a **** from anyplace i ever lived. **** ive had cycle discusions at bathrooms or clubs

    This is worse then females. I know girls who will say another girl is hot. They dont go oh she got fake tites or this and that. I'm natural.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gixxerboy1 View Post
    wow who cares. I dont know where you guys are from but i never heard so many bitch about who's on what. Alot of you guys say you get it from family or friends. Nobody gives a **** from anyplace i ever lived. **** ive had cycle discusions at bathrooms or clubs

    This is worse then females. I know girls who will say another girl is hot. They dont go oh she got fake tites or this and that. I'm natural.
    ya hes right honestly who cares. the only reason they're talkin shit about it is cause they're jealous that you look better than they do.

    and ive heard guys talkin about cycles before and shit who cares....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kirk3624 View Post
    So if someone takes 10 grams of creatine (naturally occurs in body) they are all natural.

    But if they take 1 gram of test (naturally occurs in the body) they are not all natural.

    Sometimes this shit makes me laugh.
    man, its ****in symantics. youre talking abou the basic fundimental meaning of natural that has nothing to do with working out and doing steroids. when someone asks me "are you natural?" i automatically know what they are asking, and its whether or not i take steroids, period... just like when someone says thier taking juice i dont assume they're drinking sunny delight to get thier gains. compairing creatine to testosterone is ****in ridiculous. would you compair 10 grams of dextrose to 10 grams of cocaine? if every foriegn compound that enters our body is basically the same, then why dont you snort both and tell us what happens.
    to say im no different from a professional bodybuilder with grams of test running through his body year round and GH seeping out his pours because i eat meat that might have hormones in them, is f'n ridiculous. people who train hard and dont use steroids deserve the recognition of being 'natural', or whatever you want to call it. dont get me wrong ive got all the respect in the world for people who use juice that have payed thier dues or have good reasons, but at the same time, but to say (within the gambit of weight training) that steroids users and non-steroid users should be lumped together because both might have man made compounds/chemicals/whatever running through them is ****in ridiculous.

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    well this is a huge arguement, i guess the mirror wins........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos View Post
    yeah, muscle is muscle, whatever gets you to your goals. I look how I want to look, but I cheated. Is god not going to let me in the pearlly gates now?

    BTW I want a cookie.
    Cheated at what bud? The Dating game because you look better?

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