Base before starting a cycle?

[personaltrainermark]

I have read alot of threads on here and eveyone ask stats when someone goes on a cycle. I am still building a base before I want to start a cycle. I have been a trainer for 3yrs now and been working out hard for a good 4yrs. I am 22yrs old 5"11 , 12%BF, and I weigh 184lbs. I want to get some input on how big naturally I should get before beggining a cycle. I would be planning on doing a basic newb cycle runing Test 500wk, and maybe D-bol first 4 weeks. With a good pct; info I've gotten from reading the forums. I would just like to hear some suggestions and opinions on when one should start there first cycle and whatever anyone else wants to throw in.

[personaltrainermark]

By the way I started out at 165lbs 4 years ago.

[Phate]

read this, it explains about genetic potential and when to start, it should answer some of your questions


http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15197

[jAcKeD!!!!]

your a personal trainer and you look like that?
20lbs in 4 years?
im a personal trainer also, so if you are what you say you are you would not be asking to do AAS rite now and should NOT be at 5'11 184 12bf% and that you need to be working on your diet and training.

[Phate]

your a personal trainer and you look like that?
20lbs in 4 years?
im a personal trainer also, so if you are what you say you are you would not be asking to do AAS rite now and should NOT be at 5'11 184 12bf% and that you need to be working on your diet and training.

agreed as usual^^^

diet is 80% no matter if your on cycle or not

if you want help with your diet i'll post some threads for you to read on cutting and lean bulking

[jAcKeD!!!!]

agreed as usual^^^

diet is 80% no matter if your on cycle or not

if you want help with your diet i'll post some threads for you to read on cutting and lean bulking

post diets for him? hes a personal trainer, he should know all about diet.
but post em up anyway phate

[Phate]

post diets for him? hes a personal trainer, he should know all about diet.
but post em up anyway phate

if he wants me too i will, i like asking people because if they ask me for them then i figure they will probably read them

not to sound like an ass, but i'm not a "certified trainer", yet i've trained some of the trainers at three of the health clubs where i live and i was asked to write the workouts for our football players over the workout proposed by a coach at the local college that was writing them

just because someone's a trainer doesn't mean they know much, not saying ya'll don't, just saying some don't

[personaltrainermark]

I'm down for the diet help. I just recently in the last 6 months cared about my diet. I know how to eat but i just now decided to do it for myself.

And just because someone is a trainer doesn't mean they have to be jacked. I didn't get in the industry for myself but for my clients. And sorry I don't go get jacked in the gym and come home and flex and take photo's. Not my style. Thats me thats who I am, I am just now making training my body my life. I wanted to get my life in order first. You can't judge someone by a picture bro.

[Phate]

here's some stuff on diet and training

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=113010
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=75729
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=143553

workouts
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145057
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145655
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=145799
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=209429

that should get you started

oh btw, here's a thread on cardio i started a while ago, it's pretty informative about when and how to cycle cardio and working out for benefit

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=338834

[jAcKeD!!!!]

I'm down for the diet help. I just recently in the last 6 months cared about my diet. I know how to eat but i just now decided to do it for myself.

And just because someone is a trainer doesn't mean they have to be jacked. I didn't get in the industry for myself but for my clients. And sorry I don't go get jacked in the gym and come home and flex and take photo's. Not my style. Thats me thats who I am, I am just now making training my body my life. I wanted to get my life in order first.You can't judge someone by a picture bro.

not tryin to flame but yes you can be judge, i work in the industry and i know how things work. people who are fit and work there is what people that are uneducated on working out diet and etc.. they will pic the big guy over an average joe. thats just like going to the nearest gnc whos goin to sell more? big guy or your average joe? just statin the obvious and sorry if you take it that im flammin.

[Deen54]

I know doctors that smoke.
Does that mean they don't know how to treat a patient?