Did my research. But still ?'s

[MiniMe]

I want to throw in Tren E with my Test E.
I read about Tren E and I want to take it.

I just want to know do you take it the same time as Test E or mix it or ?

[ChuckLee]

Which cycle are you planning?
Stats?
Age?
Cycle experience?

[MiniMe]

Just wanting to take Test E and Tren E.

I took Test 200 Last year only and gain good weight, keep it, and made good results. Seems that my body loved it.

Main purpose is to get a little bit bigger and stronger.

age 24
5'9
170lbs
Two cycle experience.

[ChuckLee]

What were your previous cycles?

You have to be more specific, otherwise I can't help you so much.

What's your bodyfat?

Do you know what PCT is?

[MiniMe]

Sorry im fighting a allergy attack and didnt realize im not responding with everything.

My past two cycles were pretty basic (Beginner)

Week 1-10 Test 250 (Meant 250 previously.)
week 1-4 Dianabol 25mgm/day

Body fat= roughly 10%

My PCT was Clomid for 10 weeks

[MiniMe]

Dang it sorry Clomid was 3 weeks. Got stuck on 10 for the cycle... My bad. Damn Allergy's

[ChuckLee]

Allergy sucks, I know from personal experience...

I'd keep Test E still at 250mg/week for 12 weeks and Tren E at 400mg/week for 10 weeks.

PCT should be 4 weeks of Nolva in conjunction with an AI (or Clomid).

What about your diet? Considering your weight, it sounds your diet need some work though

[MiniMe]

Everytime the weather changes im out for a week!!!

Anyways. My diet was like 3-4 meals a day. Now that im starting again, I have changed to to 6-8.

Lots of Meats, Chicken, Rice, Vegies, and Fruits.

I take shakes three to four times a day (Muscle Milk... So damn good!)

Im looking at my Test E and its Test E 300 10ml Bottle. Im doing 1cc every 3 days. That sound right to you?

So your saying after 2 weeks hit up Tren E too? Mix or separate?

Its hard for me to say whats on my mind. Im trying my best though, please have patients!

[ChuckLee]

Too many shakes a day, replace them with some solid and not processed food. Eat egg whites fr example.

How many weeks left of the test?
Because you should run Tren E for at least 10 weeks to get some real gains from it (it's a long ester) and keep the test intake longer for at least 1 week more.

[MiniMe]

yes eggs. forgot that one! I hate egg whites though! Take like crap. Anything you recommend i put on them? like cheese?

I just stated my Test E. Like 1st shot was last night!

So I need to start Tren ASAP and end with 1-2 weeks of test only huh...?

I keep reading and reading but its the same thing over and over. your more help then the past 5 pages of stuff I have been reading.

like i said do i take them both at the same time? different spots? or same?

[MiniMe]

too many shakes huh... that would explain the massive restroom visits!

[ChuckLee]

yes eggs. forgot that one! I hate egg whites though! Take like crap. Anything you recommend i put on them? like cheese?

I just stated my Test E. Like 1st shot was last night!

So I need to start Tren ASAP and end with 1-2 weeks of test only huh...?

I keep reading and reading but its the same thing over and over. your more help then the past 5 pages of stuff I have been reading.

like i said do i take them both at the same time? different spots? or same?

Here's your answer, you misunderstood:

I'd keep Test E still at 300mg/week for 12 weeks and Tren E at 400mg/week for 10 weeks.

PCT should be 4 weeks of Nolva in conjunction with an AI (or Clomid).

Add some lean cheese or a yolk to your egg whites.

[MiniMe]

K i can do the cheese, not just whites...
Sorry about my confusion.
Is there anything I should look for while using Tren? Any other safety precautions I should know about or learn more about befor I get some? I want to make sure I am 100% befor I add. Honestly im about 90% but thats not good enough for me yet!

[ChuckLee]

So you shouldn't mess with powerful 19nor compounds like tren.
If you're not sure at 100% on what you're doing, leave it for your next cycle, when you'll be ready.

Keep going with your test and learn as more as possible how to improve your diet.
Trenbolone is way more androgenic than test so it could cause worse sides.
Read this profile to get all the necessary infos I didn't mention:

by Anthony Roberts - Trenbolone Enanthate is a strictly underground product, and not available for human use by any major pharmaceutical supply house in the world. It combines a very popular parent hormone (trenbolone) with a long acting ester (enanthate). This allows the advantage of once a week injections.

Background

For a fairly long time, the only version of legitimate Trenbolone available on the black market was Trenbolone Acetate. This was a fast acting version of Trenbolone often made from powder or cattle implant pellets. Since Parabolan (Trenbolone with a slightly longer ester) had been removed from the market, it developed a cult-like reputation, and a longer acting Trenbolone product was in demand on the black market. The underground labs of the time responded with Trenbolone Enanthate.

Steroid Action

Trenbolone is a19-nor steroid, very similar to Nandrolone. The primary difference between Trenbolone is that there is a double carbon bond present at the 9 and 11 position on the steran nucleus. Trenbolone can not aromatize to estrogen nor be 5a-reduced.

It bonds very tightly to the Androgen Receptor, and for this reason it is thought that much of its fat-burning and muscle building abilities are receptor mediated.

Technical Data

Trenbolone use produces an impressive amount of new muscle fiber, with minimal water retention (1) This may be done partly through an increase in IGF-1 within muscle tissue (2), and increased sensitivity of muscle satellite to IGF-1 and other growth factors(3) and an increase in the amount of DNA per muscle cell.

It has a very strong binding affinity to the androgen receptor (A.R), binding much more strongly than testosterone (4) as well as nandrolone.

Trenbolone increases both protein synthesis as well as nitrogen retention in muscle tissue (5). Trenbolone can also bind with the (anti-anabolic) glucocorticoid receptor (6-7), thus aiding the muscle building process.

Finally, it also has the ability to improve nutrient efficiency and mineral absorption in animals given the drug (8-9).

User Notes

You have probably noticed that there is no “Technical Data” for Trenbolone Enanthate per se (all of the studies cited are actually on Trenbolone with a different ester)

Well…there’s a very good reason for that. As noted previously, this is a strictly underground product…so while you will easily be able to find it available from GA Labs or DL Pharmaceuticals INC., you will not find it available from UpJohn or Steris. In fact, at this point, you will only find Trenbolone (Acetate) available in the veterinary industry.

In my experience with Trenbolone Enanthate, it is a very potent cutting agent, and will even help keep you lean while on a bulking cycle (it did for me, anyway). However, it will also cause some undesirable effects as well. It can cause insomnia and night sweats, as well as possible anxiety. It seems to not cause “tren cough” (coughing associated with Trenbolone Acetate) but still seems to reduce cardiovascular ability.

All in all, though, Trenbolone (any ester) is a really great drug for both building muscle as well as burning fat. It’s probably most people’s favorite behind testosterone, side effects be damned…and for good reason.

If you’re not a competitive athlete, this is a really great drug. Bodybuilders love the stuff, and we see it in many pre-contest cycles now-a-days. Athletes need to avoid it, however, because it simply reduces cardiovascular output too greatly, probably due to prostaglandin induced bronchial constriction.

[MiniMe]

Your advise if Taken. Since it is new to me, its not ready to be party of my cycle right now. I will hold off until I feel its time to add it. Maybe this fall! Thanks again for all your input and advise. Im SO glad im part of this forum!

[ChuckLee]

Don't worry about your gains then.
Taking test at 700mg/week (what I assume you're doing) is still a nice amount of gears.

Be sure to have enough daily caloric intake to grow and to equilibrate your macros to avail of its anabolic properties at best.

[BIGDOGIRISH]

All in all, though, Trenbolone (any ester) is a really great drug for both building muscle as well as burning fat. It’s probably most people’s favorite behind testosterone, side effects be damned…and for good reason.

What did he mean here???

[ChuckLee]

I think he meant its use is worth the sides...

[Raw Deal]

Allergy sucks, I know from personal experience...

I'd keep Test E still at 250mg/week for 12 weeks and Tren E at 400mg/week for 10 weeks.

PCT should be 4 weeks of Nolva in conjunction with an AI (or Clomid).

What about your diet? Considering your weight, it sounds your diet need some work though

^^^^^^^^^^^ GRAET ADVICE, that is my favorite cycle to this DAY!

[Raw Deal]

Don't worry about your gains then.
Taking test at 700mg/week (what I assume you're doing) is still a nice amount of gears.

Be sure to have enough daily caloric intake to grow and to equilibrate your macros to avail of its anabolic properties at best.

Chuck maybe i didnt read this whole thread, but 700mg test seems like alot for this BRO..His knowlage is relativly Basic...I can't get over this more is better..500mg test is still enough for me...IDK, maybe i need to mind my business !

[MiniMe]

im doing 500mg week. I was wanting to do Tren but have decided to learn more and more and as much as possible before adding it to my next cycle. Everyones input is appreciated.