Ok...Im not starting a cycle yet, waiting till my BF% gets down, and heres what I have Gear Wise got it three days ago...Ive also done a lot of reading on how a beginner cycle should just be one substance instead of stacked....But being that there's a lot of vets here I knew I could get an honest opinion....Ok on hand is...Test Prop and EQ...As well as clen in which I'm going to use to help me get the BF% down Im looking to lean up, im just curious as to what others think....thanks for the help guys..