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    So, you Obama supporters...

    Are you voting for your candidate because you like higher taxes, wealth re-distribution, bigger federal gov't, more social entitlement programs, more gov't intrusion in your life (most hard lefters think we're all sheep, and they can 'fix' us better than we can ourselves), weaker national defense, and a HARD step to socialism, because more than likely that's what you will get w/ a UBER liberal president in Obama, and a dem controlled house and senate.

    Or are you voting for him because you like his personality and ability to deliver a speech?

    Or, don't know why, just don't like Bush (i don't like Bush)

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    I love bush, love it. I cant live without bush!

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    I do not like ridiculously high tax brackets for the rich. I am not even in the highest tax brackets but still think it is absurd to charge increasing percentage rates the more money you make. When we have a Democrats across the board the wealthy get screwed.
    For example, if you make 10 and pay 3 dollars in taxes, why shouldn't the guy that makes $20 pay 6 dollars in taxes? If someone is too poor, I do not care if they are completely exempt, but to say if you make $20 but must pay $9 in taxes for example, I feel bad for them.
    If you disagree with me, I hope you happen to win the lottery during one of these times and you too will know what it is like to give 1/2 your money away. Its like getting divorced every year for god sake.
    I believe back in the 20's there was actually a 98% tax bracket; meaning you only got to keep $2 of every $100 you made providing you earned more than 5 million a year.
    Absurd.
    Anyways we all get to vote for the issues we care about and taxes usually get my wound up more than many other issues; as you can tell.
    Happy voting.

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    jesus, you wont let this die will you...

    Havent you seen from your million other politics threads, that they get nowhere...


    lol the horse is dead already, stop beating it

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    It appears Obama might very well be the next Pres, and if he does, i hope he proceeds different than he proposes and voted (most liberal Senator). He does "promise" to double cap gains...

    I feel your pain Oki-des

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    jesus, you wont let this die will you...

    Havent you seen from your million other politics threads, that they get nowhere...


    lol the horse is dead already, stop beating it
    I like his post and they are no where nears as frequent as Carlos pro-Obama threads.

    Keep up the good work Gator! I love how liberals can't stand an opposing view but love shoving their view down your throat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx View Post
    jesus, you wont let this die will you...

    Havent you seen from your million other politics threads, that they get nowhere...


    lol the horse is dead already, stop beating it
    Well, you do have a point, but politics is very important to me as the next president could very well hurt my wallet, substantially, and was hoping to have an intelligent discourse about WHY folks are voting one way or the other, and not just because "i hate Bush, republicans suck, et al.

    Interesting how Obama supporters won't chime in on my questions, but then again maybe everyone is sick of my political threads. I never have 'bashed' someone for their views, just curious why they will vote they way they will. Reckon i'll back off.

    Peace

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators View Post
    Are you voting for your candidate because you like higher taxes, wealth re-distribution, bigger federal gov't, more social entitlement programs, more gov't intrusion in your life (most hard lefters think we're all sheep, and they can 'fix' us better than we can ourselves), weaker national defense, and a HARD step to socialism, because more than likely that's what you will get w/ a UBER liberal president in Obama, and a dem controlled house and senate.

    Or are you voting for him because you like his personality and ability to deliver a speech?

    Or, don't know why, just don't like Bush (i don't like Bush)
    i dont really care for george w bush, but his daughter barbara is phucking smokin hot! just thought i would share that with you guys......
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    obama will never be elected.. he will win the nomination.. but he will never win the presidency..

    dems won't support him..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators View Post
    Well, you do have a point, but politics is very important to me as the next president could very well hurt my wallet, substantially, and was hoping to have an intelligent discourse about WHY folks are voting one way or the other, and not just because "i hate Bush, republicans suck, et al.

    Interesting how Obama supporters won't chime in on my questions, but then again maybe everyone is sick of my political threads. I never have 'bashed' someone for their views, just curious why they will vote they way they will. Reckon i'll back off.

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    Im just in a pissy mood because Im hungry and have nothing to eat here


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    Quote Originally Posted by spywizard View Post
    obama will never be elected.. he will win the nomination.. but he will never win the presidency..

    dems won't support him..
    I agree alot of moderates will have trouble supporting him, he's NOT moderate. McCain is a moderate, he could run as a Democrat, so i will have to vote for him, i think he can work w/ the other side and get some bi-partisan stuff done, where as Obama has never shown a willingness to reach across the aisle. This partisan bickering really drive me nuts, i really really really get sick of politicians

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    <chirp chirp> No obamaians here to talk issues, maybe smear and whine are better suited for them

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    One of my good friends is voting democrat and I can't figure out why. I know that most of his beliefs are republican minded. I don't think he knows it. Every time I try and get into a discussion with him about Dems/Repubs he argues Bush did this and Bush did that! I'm like we aren't even talking about Bush. I think that most young people are just buying into this anti-Bush craze that is going on and just believe that voting for Dems is the way to go. I'm not exactly happy with McCain either, but I will take a moderate over a leftist any day of the week. With a Democratic run house and one in the white house this country is screwed!

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    the country is already being screwed..HARD TOO!! bush has ****ed up alot of shit, ALOT! no countries hardly even like us any more...there was a few before bush went and ****ed up everything, but now, there's 1 or 2...its simple, bush(Rep) 8yrs straight=****ed up shit, hugely ****ed up shit..needa give a Dem a shot at it cuz bush has tremendously hurt our country

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    I would like to know how Bush gets the all of the blame for everything. It''s not like he did all of this by himself. Congress supported the war. When things haven't gone as well as hoped for the Dems jumped back and started to oppose the war. Years from now I think that everyone will realize that this war is for the good. It benefits Iraq and it benefits the US. We need Iraq, especially if we are gonna have to fight Iran.

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    Also stop blaming Bush for gas prices! We still have some of the cheapest gas on the planet. Bush has also tried to do things to lower the cost of gas. Everyone is screaming for lower gas prices, but no one wants to have to do anything to achieve this! They just want it to happen. What we need to lower the cost is a way to refine the oil. We can get all the oil we want from wherever we want, but it isn't going to lower the price of gas until we have a way to refine it all! Bush proposed building more refineries, but guess who shot that idea down! The Democrats!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood080 View Post
    I would like to know how Bush gets the all of the blame for everything. It''s not like he did all of this by himself. Congress supported the war. When things haven't gone as well as hoped for the Dems jumped back and started to oppose the war. Years from now I think that everyone will realize that this war is for the good. It benefits Iraq and it benefits the US. We need Iraq, especially if we are gonna have to fight Iran.
    4,000 dead American soliders, 20,000 wounded and perminantely disfigured soldiers, and approximately 1,000,000 dead innocent Iraqi civilians might disagree with you. Also, a 9 trillion dollar national debt that is going to be paid for by you, me, and our grandchildren, they might tend to disagree as well. There has never been a more pointless war in all of history. Iraq never posed a national security threat to this country, and Iraq never supported terrorists who targeted this country, in any way shape or form. There is absolutely 0 evidence that would suggest otherwise, Z E R O. There is however a mountain of evidence to suggest that the Executive branch, and many within the Bush administration (Not just Bush himself) outright lied to the American people about Iraq. There is even less of a reason to fight Iran. This war mongering attitude absolutely sickens me. The fact that some of you neo-cons think that you have the RIGHT to invade sovereign nations just because you happen to disagree with them, or because they think their God has a bigger COCK than yours. Yes, this war has been great, the massive inflation caused by the Fed printing money out of thin air, further degrading the savings and purchasing power of 350 million American citizens, has really been a blessing in disguise hasn't it? This idea of pre-emptive warfare is absurd, the idea that we go attacking people before they pose a threat to us because we think they "MIGHT" pose a threat to us, is RIDICULOUS, ABSURD, INSANE! Do you know who the first pioneer of pre-emptive warfare was? HITLER!

    Lets put this pre-emptive warfare bit into a little bit of logical perspective. As far as our own laws which govern our citizens, you are only justified in killing another person in self-defense if that person poses an immediate danger to your life. That means, that if you shoot someone on the street because you thought they MIGHT...POSSIBLY...MAYBE...OR PERHAPS...pose a danger to your life... YOU GOTO JAIL FOR FU*KING LIFE!, its murder. The same logic applies when attacking a SOVEREIGN NATION. They never posed a serious threat to the lives of ANY American citizens, and therefore we were completely unjustified in attacking them. This is just a bunch of NEO CON BULLSHIT!

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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    4,000 dead American soliders, 20,000 wounded and perminantely disfigured soldiers, and approximately 1,000,000 dead innocent Iraqi civilians might disagree with you. Also, a 9 trillion dollar national debt that is going to be paid for by you, me, and our grandchildren, they might tend to disagree as well. There has never been a more pointless war in all of history. Iraq never posed a national security threat to this country, and Iraq never supported terrorists who targeted this country, in any way shape or form. There is absolutely 0 evidence that would suggest otherwise, Z E R O. There is however a mountain of evidence to suggest that the Executive branch, and many within the Bush administration (Not just Bush himself) outright lied to the American people about Iraq. There is even less of a reason to fight Iran. This war mongering attitude absolutely sickens me. The fact that some of you neo-cons think that you have the RIGHT to invade sovereign nations just because you happen to disagree with them, or because they think their God has a bigger COCK than yours. Yes, this war has been great, the massive inflation caused by the Fed printing money out of thin air, further degrading the savings and purchasing power of 350 million American citizens, has really been a blessing in disguise hasn't it? This idea of pre-emptive warfare is absurd, the idea that we go attacking people before they pose a threat to us because we think they "MIGHT" pose a threat to us, is RIDICULOUS, ABSURD, INSANE! Do you know who the first pioneer of pre-emptive warfare was? HITLER!

    Lets put this pre-emptive warfare bit into a little bit of logical perspective. As far as our own laws which govern our citizens, you are only justified in killing another person in self-defense if that person poses an immediate danger to your life. That means, that if you shoot someone on the street because you thought they MIGHT...POSSIBLY...MAYBE...OR PERHAPS...pose a danger to your life... YOU GOTO JAIL FOR FU*KING LIFE!, its murder. The same logic applies when attacking a SOVEREIGN NATION. They never posed a serious threat to the lives of ANY American citizens, and therefore we were completely unjustified in attacking them. This is just a bunch of NEO CON BULLSHIT!

    THANK YOU!

    Took the words from my mouth, but just said it way better lol

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    And McCain just wants to keep this going till we "win"
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    Quote Originally Posted by thegodfather View Post
    4,000 dead American soliders, 20,000 wounded and perminantely disfigured soldiers, and approximately 1,000,000 dead innocent Iraqi civilians might disagree with you. Also, a 9 trillion dollar national debt that is going to be paid for by you, me, and our grandchildren, they might tend to disagree as well. There has never been a more pointless war in all of history. Iraq never posed a national security threat to this country, and Iraq never supported terrorists who targeted this country, in any way shape or form. There is absolutely 0 evidence that would suggest otherwise, Z E R O. There is however a mountain of evidence to suggest that the Executive branch, and many within the Bush administration (Not just Bush himself) outright lied to the American people about Iraq. There is even less of a reason to fight Iran. This war mongering attitude absolutely sickens me. The fact that some of you neo-cons think that you have the RIGHT to invade sovereign nations just because you happen to disagree with them, or because they think their God has a bigger COCK than yours. Yes, this war has been great, the massive inflation caused by the Fed printing money out of thin air, further degrading the savings and purchasing power of 350 million American citizens, has really been a blessing in disguise hasn't it? This idea of pre-emptive warfare is absurd, the idea that we go attacking people before they pose a threat to us because we think they "MIGHT" pose a threat to us, is RIDICULOUS, ABSURD, INSANE! Do you know who the first pioneer of pre-emptive warfare was? HITLER!

    Lets put this pre-emptive warfare bit into a little bit of logical perspective. As far as our own laws which govern our citizens, you are only justified in killing another person in self-defense if that person poses an immediate danger to your life. That means, that if you shoot someone on the street because you thought they MIGHT...POSSIBLY...MAYBE...OR PERHAPS...pose a danger to your life... YOU GOTO JAIL FOR FU*KING LIFE!, its murder. The same logic applies when attacking a SOVEREIGN NATION. They never posed a serious threat to the lives of ANY American citizens, and therefore we were completely unjustified in attacking them. This is just a bunch of NEO CON BULLSHIT!
    Yeah, Saddam was a peach of a fella, never hurt anyone, and OF COURSE would never conspire w/ our enemies to do further harm, hell, he loved us.

    Do you forget all the Democrats that voted for the war because, like every other country, they thought Saddam had WMD's, he pulled a Major bluff. I do have issues on how the war was prosecuted, i think Rumsfeld blew it. This Soverign Nation, at the time, was thought to pose a significant threat to our well being. Abe Lincoln was responsible for 800,000 dead US soldiers....

    I strongly disagree w/ Bush's fiscal debacle, but if you think Obama and Dem controlled House and Senate are not gonna drive the deficit sky high(er), then you're incredibly naive. NO CANDIDATE is talking about cutting spending and shrinking the federal beaurocracy, I will almost guarantee you Obama will raise taxes alot on the folks that generate income, hire people, etc.. which will in turn DECREASE revenue (it's been shown how lower taxes increases net revenue) and the wild spending spree the Dems will go on, we will be in much direr financial straits.

    Like i've said, i don't like any of the bums, but the thought of one party controlling the legis. and exec. branch is scary, part of the problem we have now (deficit wise) is from one party having control (Pubs)

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    Quote Originally Posted by lex57 View Post
    i dont really care for george w bush, but his daughter barbara is phucking smokin hot! just thought i would share that with you guys......
    Holy shit! I didn't realize she was so hot.

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    Holy shit! I didn't realize she was so hot.
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    WOW

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blome View Post
    Holy shit! I didn't realize she was so hot.
    thats what i'm talkin about...... i'd be eatin some balloon knot. ya know...

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    Hey Carlos, ya skeert?

    OR, you're a socialist. That's cool brah, just admit it...

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    I would like to know how Bush gets the all of the blame for everything. It''s not like he did all of this by himself. Congress supported the war. When things haven't gone as well as hoped for the Dems jumped back and started to oppose the war. Years from now I think that everyone will realize that this war is for the good. It benefits Iraq and it benefits the US. We need Iraq, especially if we are gonna have to fight Iran.
    I don't think congress ever supported the war or that we ever got permission from the United Nations, which is why they fuc*e...n hate us as well.

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    Vote Obama 2008!

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    ^^Agreed! Why start a new thread when there are numerous threads already debating the same thing?

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    I for vote those with NUMEROUS years of experience! ESPECIALLY if it deals with RUNNING OUR COUNTRY! I care not for the others, and I DO NOT take the position of "voting for the 'lesser of two evils'". To me that is horse sh!t, as you have the opportunity to vote for a candidate who speaks DIRECTLY and in more in DETAIL during his debates.
    MANY of you are either too ignorant or just are too nervous to address direct situations because you know nothing about what they entail. Rather you would prefer to side with someone who speaks on a more BROAD basis and not even understand what the DIRECT intentions are. This makes it easier for you to PICK one.
    Instead you see "There is this party in office and the economy is going downhill, and you FEED off that. You then use your reason to say "It's time for the other party." In all reality you should pick a candidate who speaks more directly in tune with what YOU agree with.

    For me these are Depreciating value of our currency; The status of our troops; Our foreign policy; Our Taxation and Interest rates:IRS; Our Government's overspending; MY Liberties being taken away, YOUR liberties taken away

    These ARE the real issues that many neglect to side with because having to address them is an INCONVENIENCE! That is the laziness that leads to the government getting their foot into the front door of your home!

    If you agree with those, then choose a candidate that agrees with you. It IS that simple!

    Do not take the position of "I will vote for this guy, JUST to keep the other guy from getting into office!"

    My position is "I am not for EITHER of them, so I will vote for the guy I agree with" That is reality.

    This country is falling apart because the citizens neglect common sense.

    No, I am not voting for McCaine; No, I am not voting for Obama; No, I am not voting for Clinton.

    Why? Because I do not agree with them.

    Vote for who you agree with. If everyone did this, then the guy who you don't think would win, WILL.

    And never fear voicing your support for who you AGREE with! Nothing is ever born from fear! Fear STIFLES you!

    As always I am true to myself and what I believe in, that is in my blood. I never kneel, and will never live on my knees; I am for Ron Paul. I have no fear in being ridiculed because at the very least I am true to what I believe in myself.

    Revolutionary > Popular IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators View Post
    Hey Carlos, ya skeert?
    Skeert? Is that supposed to be skirt? Don't refer to a gay man as a female. It's considering insulting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gators View Post
    Yeah, Saddam was a peach of a fella, never hurt anyone, and OF COURSE would never conspire w/ our enemies to do further harm, hell, he loved us.

    Do you forget all the Democrats that voted for the war because, like every other country, they thought Saddam had WMD's, he pulled a Major bluff. I do have issues on how the war was prosecuted, i think Rumsfeld blew it. This Soverign Nation, at the time, was thought to pose a significant threat to our well being. Abe Lincoln was responsible for 800,000 dead US soldiers....

    I strongly disagree w/ Bush's fiscal debacle, but if you think Obama and Dem controlled House and Senate are not gonna drive the deficit sky high(er), then you're incredibly naive. NO CANDIDATE is talking about cutting spending and shrinking the federal beaurocracy, I will almost guarantee you Obama will raise taxes alot on the folks that generate income, hire people, etc.. which will in turn DECREASE revenue (it's been shown how lower taxes increases net revenue) and the wild spending spree the Dems will go on, we will be in much direr financial straits.

    Like i've said, i don't like any of the bums, but the thought of one party controlling the legis. and exec. branch is scary, part of the problem we have now (deficit wise) is from one party having control (Pubs)
    The arguement of invading Iraq now or not is pointless. If you choose, not choose to be blind after Bush's close associates either resigned or jumped ship after the Iraq debacle, that is your (everyone's) choice.

    It was simply poor planning from fairy tales by people who did not like Saddam in power. I have no problem agreeing that Saddam was a bad man, yes he was. There are many a-holes like Saddam and his sons running around screwing up peoples lives and I see 0 Republicans trying to help those people. Heck, democrates included but I suppose the Republicans did have a thrashing on their hands by insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    Its taken us this long to find out a real strategy to fight the war in Iraq or the war of terrorism abroad. I say thank you to General Patreas for sorting out this mess and to all those serving in the military.

    I think the godfather sumed it up, who really cares what Abraham Lincoln did in the 1860s. His policies affect us now but are irrelevent since its over a century later. (I mean things such as abolishing slavery, Civil War still have affects.)

    I dislike Republicans and Democrates, just look at this board. All across the board all Republicans and Democrates do is whine and bicker. I think you guys who are hardcores are the problem. No one can work together and untill that day comes--say good bye to the America we used to know and welcome in China, India, Russia--whomever is going to be the next superpower...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Carlos_E View Post
    Skeert? Is that supposed to be skirt? Don't refer to a gay man as a female. It's considering insulting.

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    no bro i think that is "hillbilly" for scared. sorry if i offended any hillbillies. dont shoot the translator.

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