New PCT Question

[erock29]

Am i correct by saying you should not use clenbuterol on a Test E and Deca cycle? Also can someone tell me if tamoxifen or clomiphene would do me any use what-so-ever? I already have my PCT planned but i do have this stuff, so is it useful or should i just toss it?

[Kratos]

no reason you can't use clen
no tamox or clomid durring cycle, but yeah of course you can use it durring pct...what the heck do you have planned based on that question?

[erock29]

nolva, HCG, aromasin, and some good ol fashioned vitamin E....unless of course one of the before mentioned can replace one of these. also, is it the tamox that can effect your heart beat?

[Kratos]

tamox is nolva

[sassbs11]

nolva, HCG, aromasin, and some good ol fashioned vitamin E....unless of course one of the before mentioned can replace one of these. also, is it the tamox that can effect your heart beat?

overdosage has been noted in side effects to cause irregular heartbeat

[erock29]

so i have two questions. First, would it be prudent to use the clen in my PCT, or use it during the cycle itself? Second, i was told that with clen i could take it orally with grape juice...bad idea or no? thanks

[Kratos]

clen should be fine durring pct, many people take it then.

[sassbs11]

so i have two questions. First, would it be prudent to use the clen in my PCT, or use it during the cycle itself? Second, i was told that with clen i could take it orally with grape juice...bad idea or no? thanks

what are your goals of the cycle? take it with water if you want

[erock29]

To make a long story short, Im in my mid 30's and ive cycled before with no PCT and never had any adverse effects...other than that pesky Deca dick once. Im going to run my Test E 2 weeks after i stop injecting Deca. My goals are to put 12-15 pound of muscle on, with the idea that PCT will also help me keep my gains more effectively. some fat burning would be nice but it is not necessary since im at about 12% body fat right now.

[sassbs11]

so how long you running the test and deca for and at what dosages?

[erock29]

Test E 14 weeks (350) and Deca 12 weeks (300)...i have used these dosages in the past with no problem in the gains dept. my body tends to grow pretty fast becasue i eat right and train hard.

[sassbs11]

i would up the test to 500mgs especially seeing as this is not your first cycle

[erock29]

i ahve considered that of course, however, im really trying to plan the PCT now so i dont have to scramble with it later since i realy know nothing about it...and reading about that stuff, well im not a science major. so im discussing possibilities of my PCT with the stuff i ahve on hand or other options with you guys since i am novice (an idiot would be a better term). ideas suggestions?

[sassbs11]

start nolva 3 weeks after deca,
Day 1 - 100mg
next 10 days - 60mg
then the next 10 days - 40mg

[erock29]

can that be taken orally as well or inject?

[sassbs11]

can that be taken orally as well or inject?

can what be taken orally or injected?

[erock29]

nolva.

[sassbs11]

nolva.

orally

[Kratos]

start nolva 3 weeks after deca,
Day 1 - 100mg
next 10 days - 60mg
then the next 10 days - 40mg

those doses are way to freakin high for nolva...20mg is as high as you ever need to go in pct.