Test Prop Kickstart FIrst CYcle?

[wukillabee]

Im 24 yrs old, 5'10", 200 pounds, round 13-14%bf, training for 6 years and bb for 4 years. Ive takin a handful of ph cycles before most of them all with proper pct. I already have 2 10ml vials of test cyp that i was originally planning of doing at 500mg a week for 10 weeks shot every 3.5 days. Im now thinking of doing test prop for first 4 weeks with cyp as a kickstart. I have access to the same lab as my cyp for the prop and the prop comes in a 10ml vial at 250mg per ml. I was thinking of shooting 100mg of prop eod and 250mg of cyp on every 4th inject with the prop for a total of 650mg of test combined for first 4 weeks then ill have enough cyp to run my cycle at 50mg a week as planned and will have plenty to do a full 12 week cycle and some cyp and prop left over.

My questions are, does this sound ok for first cycle? Im sure if i get sides in the first few weeks i can blame the prop and if i get sides towards the end i can balme the cyp correct? I dont mind shooting eod for first cycle and im still cutting right now so im planning on doing this cycle mid-august with around 9-10%bf so i can use 25g 1in pins in glutes as well as quads and shoulders or 1 1.5 in but still 25g for glutes.

I already have plenty of l-dex on hand to run through whole cycle if needed as well as letro, clomid, and nolva. I was planning on running pheedno's pct plan starting 2 weeks after last cyp inject but replacing the aromasin with the l-dex since i already have it. DOes this sound ok, maybe .5 or 1mg of l-dex ed for pct along with nolva and clomid instead of aromasin for the ai?

Thank you all for checking hopefully my last thread of questions before i start and i will be sure to do a detailed log for myself as well as everyone else on here.

Oh, another quick question (sorry for all the questions), if the prop i can get comes dosed at 250mg per ml then at what mark on the 3ml syringe (or should i use a 1ml syringe?) would i do for 100mg of prop? Sorry, not the best with measurements and conversions. Just thought id stay with the 3ml syringe since that 4th inject will be a little over 1ml for the 1ml of cyp and whatever mark it is for 100mg of prop. Thanks again!

[wukillabee]

Im 24 yrs old, 5'10", 200 pounds, round 13-14%bf, training for 6 years and bb for 4 years. Ive takin a handful of ph cycles before most of them all with proper pct. I already have 2 10ml vials of test cyp that i was originally planning of doing at 500mg a week for 10 weeks shot every 3.5 days. Im now thinking of doing test prop for first 4 weeks with cyp as a kickstart. I have access to the same lab as my cyp for the prop and the prop comes in a 10ml vial at 250mg per ml. I was thinking of shooting 100mg of prop eod and 250mg of cyp on every 4th inject with the prop for a total of 650mg of test combined for first 4 weeks then ill have enough cyp to run my cycle at 50mg a week as planned and will have plenty to do a full 12 week cycle and some cyp and prop left over.

My questions are, does this sound ok for first cycle? Im sure if i get sides in the first few weeks i can blame the prop and if i get sides towards the end i can balme the cyp correct? I dont mind shooting eod for first cycle and im still cutting right now so im planning on doing this cycle mid-august with around 9-10%bf so i can use 25g 1in pins in glutes as well as quads and shoulders or 1 1.5 in but still 25g for glutes.

I already have plenty of l-dex on hand to run through whole cycle if needed as well as letro, clomid, and nolva. I was planning on running pheedno's pct plan starting 2 weeks after last cyp inject but replacing the aromasin with the l-dex since i already have it. DOes this sound ok, maybe .5 or 1mg of l-dex ed for pct along with nolva and clomid instead of aromasin for the ai?

Thank you all for checking hopefully my last thread of questions before i start and i will be sure to do a detailed log for myself as well as everyone else on here.

Oh, another quick question (sorry for all the questions), if the prop i can get comes dosed at 250mg per ml then at what mark on the 3ml syringe (or should i use a 1ml syringe?) would i do for 100mg of prop? Sorry, not the best with measurements and conversions. Just thought id stay with the 3ml syringe since that 4th inject will be a little over 1ml for the 1ml of cyp and whatever mark it is for 100mg of prop. Thanks again!

A little bump please for some help. Any answers to any of my questions will be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

[NATE0406]

Im 24 yrs old, 5'10", 200 pounds, round 13-14%bf, training for 6 years and bb for 4 years. Ive takin a handful of ph cycles before most of them all with proper pct. I already have 2 10ml vials of test cyp that i was originally planning of doing at 500mg a week for 10 weeks shot every 3.5 days. Im now thinking of doing test prop for first 4 weeks with cyp as a kickstart. I have access to the same lab as my cyp for the prop and the prop comes in a 10ml vial at 250mg per ml. I was thinking of shooting 100mg of prop eod and 250mg of cyp on every 4th inject with the prop for a total of 650mg of test combined for first 4 weeks then ill have enough cyp to run my cycle at 50mg a week as planned and will have plenty to do a full 12 week cycle and some cyp and prop left over.

My questions are, does this sound ok for first cycle? Im sure if i get sides in the first few weeks i can blame the prop and if i get sides towards the end i can balme the cyp correct? I dont mind shooting eod for first cycle and im still cutting right now so im planning on doing this cycle mid-august with around 9-10%bf so i can use 25g 1in pins in glutes as well as quads and shoulders or 1 1.5 in but still 25g for glutes.

I already have plenty of l-dex on hand to run through whole cycle if needed as well as letro, clomid, and nolva. I was planning on running pheedno's pct plan starting 2 weeks after last cyp inject but replacing the aromasin with the l-dex since i already have it. DOes this sound ok, maybe .5 or 1mg of l-dex ed for pct along with nolva and clomid instead of aromasin for the ai?

Thank you all for checking hopefully my last thread of questions before i start and i will be sure to do a detailed log for myself as well as everyone else on here.

Oh, another quick question (sorry for all the questions), if the prop i can get comes dosed at 250mg per ml then at what mark on the 3ml syringe (or should i use a 1ml syringe?) would i do for 100mg of prop? Sorry, not the best with measurements and conversions. Just thought id stay with the 3ml syringe since that 4th inject will be a little over 1ml for the 1ml of cyp and whatever mark it is for 100mg of prop. Thanks again!

well first off that is a pretty high concentration of prop. but anyway you will be fine with kick starting your cycle with prop. i would just shot 1/2ml for 125mgs. that would be simple and easy to measure.

[bigguy20]

you could definately do that if you can take the shots ed or eod...prop hurts but i absolutely love the stuff...you seem to be fine so id say just try it out and see how you like it...

[wukillabee]

well first off that is a pretty high concentration of prop. but anyway you will be fine with kick starting your cycle with prop. i would just shot 1/2ml for 125mgs. that would be simple and easy to measure.

Is that bad being its so high? Does that mean its gonna have a higher ba content cus of the high concentration? SO if i do 125 eod then thats 500mg a week of prop be itself, how to i include the test cypionate into this? The cypionate is the staple for this cycle, just thought i could use the prop as a kickstart but dont want to do 750mg of test a week for the first 4 weeks for my first cycle. Thanks nate!

[wukillabee]

you could definately do that if you can take the shots ed or eod...prop hurts but i absolutely love the stuff...you seem to be fine so id say just try it out and see how you like it...

I dont mind the eod injects, lookin more fr th long term gains. Ill take some pain as long as its worth it of course. Just debating if i should kickstart it like this or just stick to the original plan of cyp at 500mg a week for 10 weeks?

[wukillabee]

Any advice on my pct question from first post? Im planning on doing pheedno's pct plan but wanted to know if its ok to use l-dex (arimidex) instead of aromasin. I just already have tons of l-dex on hand, thats why. By reading both ai's profiles, they dont seem to be too different. I was thinking of l-dex (along with the clomid and nolva of course) at .5mg ed for 4 weeks or 1mg ed for 4 weeks of pct? Thanks again!

[xXDevilDogXx]

Your questions:

1) PCT:
I have read many times that l-dex does not work well with nolva. You can run just the nolva and clomid and you should be fine.

Are you gonna run the l-dex while on cycle?

2) Dosages:
Every little line on your 3mL syringe is equal to 25mgs of prop in the 250mg/mL concentration that you bought. So I would fill it to 3 little lines (less than the 0.5mL mark) and just do 75mg eod. You can still run your cyp with this or you can use the prop for a couple of weeks and switch over to the cyp. It will take around 2 weeks for the body to fully switch over from endogenous test to exogenous test.

[wukillabee]

Your questions:

1) PCT:
I have read many times that l-dex does not work well with nolva. You can run just the nolva and clomid and you should be fine.

Are you gonna run the l-dex while on cycle?

2) Dosages:
Every little line on your 3mL syringe is equal to 25mgs of prop in the 250mg/mL concentration that you bought. So I would fill it to 3 little lines (less than the 0.5mL mark) and just do 75mg eod. You can still run your cyp with this or you can use the prop for a couple of weeks and switch over to the cyp. It will take around 2 weeks for the body to fully switch over from endogenous test to exogenous test.

Ok, ill get some aromasin then. Ill stick with pheedno's pct just to be safe. I know some say 2 serms and no ai for pct but i think at least 1 ai and 1 serm is standard for any aas cycle. Im on nolva/clomid pct now with no ai but thats because i was on a weak prohormone cycle (see supplement sub-forum).

Im only gonna use l-dex on cycle if i have to, rather not for maximum gains. This will be a clean bulk cycle based more on my diet than gear so a little bloat for 10-12 weeks isnt bad but if gyno symptoms pop up then gotta through it in.

Finally, someone explained to me the marks on a 3ml syringe. So every mark on a 3ml syringe is 25mg or only if the concentration is 250mg per ml then every mark on the syringe is 25mg? Sounds to easy to be true if no mater what the concentration is that every mark on the syringe is 25mg. Im assuming its only if the concentration off the aas is 250mg per ml that this would be true. Thanks guys!

[wukillabee]

Ok, ill get some aromasin then. Ill stick with pheedno's pct just to be safe. I know some say 2 serms and no ai for pct but i think at least 1 ai and 1 serm is standard for any aas cycle. Im on nolva/clomid pct now with no ai but thats because i was on a weak prohormone cycle (see supplement sub-forum).

Im only gonna use l-dex on cycle if i have to, rather not for maximum gains. This will be a clean bulk cycle based more on my diet than gear so a little bloat for 10-12 weeks isnt bad but if gyno symptoms pop up then gotta through it in.

Finally, someone explained to me the marks on a 3ml syringe. So every mark on a 3ml syringe is 25mg or only if the concentration is 250mg per ml then every mark on the syringe is 25mg? Sounds to easy to be true if no mater what the concentration is that every mark on the syringe is 25mg. Im assuming its only if the concentration off the aas is 250mg per ml that this would be true. Thanks guys!

Bump Please.

[Reed]

Little confused on what your asking, I think you may have answered your own question. But I personally would not recommend starting prop in virgin muscle, if you want to jump start it get some dbol. I tried prop for my first cycle and the shit WAS painful and cramped up my muscles. Like to the point I couldn't work them out so I ended the cycle 7 days in. My first injection was in my quad and the muscle wouldn't flex or move right for almost 2 weeks, I wasn't about to put the shit in my shoulder and be disabled. I'm looking for a some Test C or E now. But you might react different than I did.

[xXDevilDogXx]

Finally, someone explained to me the marks on a 3ml syringe. So every mark on a 3ml syringe is 25mg or only if the concentration is 250mg per ml then every mark on the syringe is 25mg? Sounds to easy to be true if no mater what the concentration is that every mark on the syringe is 25mg. Im assuming its only if the concentration off the aas is 250mg per ml that this would be true. Thanks guys!

Only in the 250mg/mL concentration.


To find out what each mark is equal to, divide the amount of mgs by the amount of hash marks in your mLs on your syringe.

eg. If you have Deca 300mg/mL and a 3mL syringe that has 10 hash marks per 1 mL, you will have 300mg/10permL=30mg/mL

Or Test Prop at 100mg/mL. 100/10=10mg/mL on that same syringe.

[wukillabee]

Only in the 250mg/mL concentration.


To find out what each mark is equal to, divide the amount of mgs by the amount of hash marks in your mLs on your syringe.

eg. If you have Deca 300mg/mL and a 3mL syringe that has 10 hash marks per 1 mL, you will have 300mg/10permL=30mg/mL

Or Test Prop at 100mg/mL. 100/10=10mg/mL on that same syringe.

Ok, makes perfect sense now. Thank you everyone for helping me here. Just ordered my pins. Got 23g 1 1/2in for drawing, 25g 1in for delts and thighs (chest, bis, and tris too if i grow enough balls to try those spots) and 25g 1 1/2in for glutes. I think im just getting over excited about this cycle. Im just gonna run the original plan of 500mg a week of cyp shot every 3.5 days for 10 weeks. This will help me see what its all about and how good my source's gear is. DOnt want to stock up on prop and all this gear from him if its bunk. Its through a mutual friend but of course my first ever purchase and when asking my source usage questions hes really stupid. Thanks again everyone and i will be sure to do a log in august when i start this cycle with pics and all!