steroid, alcohol and over hyped!

[awms]

Alright so I see alot of people posting "can I drink when on steroids" and I see alot of people saying "your stupid! never its the devil!" haha To be honest depending on what steroid you are using you can still drink....Yes ther is limit to what you can drink, and yes it depend on what you are taking! (i.e orals and alcohol dont mix)....but for somone who is using test, eq, deca ect....It is very highly unlikely that geting drunk a couple times will hurt you. I will agree that no you should not drink every night, but going out for new years, or your birthday ect. will not kill you!

[NATE0406]

Alright so I see alot of people posting "can I drink when on steroids" and I see alot of people saying "your stupid! never its the devil!" haha To be honest depending on what steroid you are using you can still drink....Yes ther is limit to what you can drink, and yes it depend on what you are taking! (i.e orals and alcohol dont mix)....but for somone who is using test, eq, deca ect....It is very highly unlikely that geting drunk a couple times will hurt you. I will agree that no you should not drink every night, but going out for new years, or your birthday ect. will not kill you!

agreed.. thats what i have been saying for a while now.

[awms]

Think about it this way....I one night of drinking going to hust your liver as much as 4 weeks of d-bol? Prob not so I wouldent worrie about it too much....unless you are geting wasted every weekend then that could lead to problems! but If you just need a night out with the boys then go wild.

[oneshot]

i agree that occasional drinking within reasonable moderation will be virtually harmless. just dont let it get out of hand. i heard alcohol can increase estrogen as well

[nhl1]

Yah some of the people on here are wound up a little too tight about it. Its like spoils of war as far as I'm concerned. What are you going through this battle with your body for if you can't go out and show it off?

And I dont pick up on chicks at the gym anymore, WAY to many of them are just total whackjobs. So if you're not out drinking, where the hell are you supposed to meet them?

Thats right.

Da bars

Ps- you're right injectibles don't really do shit to the liver, just take some milk thistle and goldenseal everyday and youll be fine. Orals on the other hand, I wouldnt drink on.

[oneshot]

i disagree with the bars being the best place to pick up chicks. if your a big enough baddass at the gym its like having home-field advantage over the other guys when trying to pick up chicks lol.

[InsaneInTheMembrane]

moderation is always key... and for serious bbers, moderation means once in a LONG while... I do it every once in a while just to be social (like a friend's bachelor party) so as not to be a wet blanket for my friends

[axis33]

Orals on the other hand, I wouldnt drink on.

even var? isn't var supposed to be easy on the liver?

[Garbanzo Dude]

even var? isn't var supposed to be easy on the liver?

I know a girl that sometimes will drink a little red wine on cycle....although her VAr doage is a 20mg or so...

I personally do think it's a great idea......I drank heavy on a test cyp cycle on night and felt way more F#ucked up and extra SICK the next day!

[skinnykenney]

you just can't get nuts with the booze...and some medication does say not to drink while taking them

[g0dsend]

orals and drinking is a pretty bad idea. I drank while on injectables sometimes, but never orals. I guess I'm supersticious

[G4R]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=346871

[Schuldiner]

By Big Red from BB.com

Thank God its Friday. That's right, the weekend has begun, and for the average teen, what do we do on weekends? PARTY! And let's face it, despite what you tell your parents, what do parties center around? Beer! In college, social lives pretty much revolve around alcohol. Just about everyone in college drinks, many go into college saying they won't, few uphold that promise.

As bodybuilders, our bodies are our lives. We eat right throughout the week, get plenty of rest, drink lots of water, stay as healthy as possible, and of course, workout. We put all these efforts into ourselves throughout the week, but on weekends we drink like fish and get sh!t faced.


How Alcohol Diminishes Muscle Gain

I used to drink heavily on party nights too, until a couple weeks ago when I realized just how much getting drunk was hurting my gains. I'm hoping that after you've read this article, for those of you that drink, you will see just how detrimental alcohol is to building muscle and hopefully cut down on drinking.


Empty Calories:

Alcohol is empty calories. It doesn't have any nutrients, but does have a caloric value of 7 calories per gram. In just one shot (1.5oz) of 80 proof vodka there's nearly 100 calories. For those of you trying to lose fat, forget it if you are drinking. Not only will the high calorie content of alcohol have a negative effect on your total calorie intake, but it also slows down your metabolism by disrupting the Kreb's cycle.

Since the Kreb's cycle isn't working correctly, fats cannot be broken down. In short, your body is trying so hard to digest and metabolize the alcohol, that fat burning stops all together.


Dehydration:

Alcohol consumption also hurts muscle growth. Not only due to hangovers lowering your workout intensity, but it actually lowers protein synthesis by 20%. Twenty percent! There are several reasons why it does this. For one, it dehydrates your muscle cells. As many know, hydrated and even over hydrated muscles (like when you take creatine) allows for a much higher anabolic environment.

Because your cells aren't holding as much water, it becomes much harder to build muscle. The second reason why alcohol can severely hurt muscle growth is because it blocks the absorption of many important nutrients that are key to muscle contraction, relaxation and growth including calcium, phosphorus, magnesium, iron and potassium.


Slows Down Protein Synthesis:

OK, so above I lied, there's actually a third way that alcohol slows down protein synthesis, I just wanted to dedicate a big part of this article to it. For those of you that don't already know this, ALCOHOL LOWERS TESTOSTERONE AND INCREASES ESTROGEN! Yes, you read that right. In one particular study, men's testosterone levels were measured before and after consumption of alcohol.


Protein Synthesis

The process by which nitrogen from amino acids is linearly arranged into structural proteins through the involvement of RNA and various enzymes. Protein synthesis is muscle growth. The more efficient you can make this process the more efficiently you can build muscle.



Lowers Testosterone Levels:

At the most intoxicated state, testosterone levels had dropped to an average of 25% lower. It was also interesting to note, that when blood alcohol levels were the highest, testosterone was at its lowest. Alcohol has also been shown to cause a quicker aromatization of androgens into estrogens, which would explain why heavy drinkers often get gynecomastria (bitch tits) over a period of time.

For those of you taking andro (and I'm sure you already know my views on andro) I would absolutely avoid alcohol since you already are in risk for gynecomastia with the high androgen levels in your blood. By drinking, you are further putting yourself in risk for aromatization. We should also note, that in a study done with rats, alcohol reduced Insulin like Growth Hormone-1 (IGF-1) by up to 42%. That's a huge drop in IGF-1.

One thing I found unusual due to the drop in testosterone while drinking is that most guys get really horny. Beyond getting beer goggles, why is it that drinking makes you horny? What I found out is that because alcohol lowers testosterone levels so significantly, the body is struggling to bring them back up by releasing LH, in very large quantities.

What's also interesting to note is that LH is just as responsible for arousal as testosterone. Unfortunately alcohol reduces testosterone levels at the Leydig cell, not the pituitary, so the LH is ineffective in raising testosterone levels.


A Personal Problem

Rather than just spitting facts at you, I'd like to take the time to talk about how drinking has affected my lifting. Before coming to college I had drank maybe 3 or 4 times in my entire life. My diet was always perfect, every day of the week, even on weekends. On the first night of college how ever, I discovered just how tasty (and fun) beer was.


After that I'd drink every weekend, never on the night before a workout, but none-the-less every weekend. My diet was decent during the week (well, the best I could do with college food), but on weekends I'd wake up late missing at least 2 meals, and often only get 3-4 meals in on those days. Because of the lack of protein, reduction in test levels on those drinking nights and the catabolism due to the alcohol my gains suffered.


No Drinking And Training!

Today I am going to list some reasons why you should not consume alcohol, or why you should moderate your intake. This will be especially true for bodybuilders.

I went into college last year at about 185 lbs and came out around 205. After cutting up for the summer, I was a lean 195. Had I not drank every weekend, I think I could have added about 10 more pounds of mass.

This year I refuse to make the same mistake. As bodybuilders we are always learning. One thing I've learned is that alcohol does effect your gains, and in a negative way. This year I will stay sober. I still plan on drinking, but I'll limit myself to a beer an hour, and no more than 3 or 4 a night. I suggest those of you in college who are serious about improving your physiques do the same. Maybe once a month I'll allow myself to get trashed.


Five Helpful Tips

So, what if it is that time of the month where you hand the keys to someone else and get bombed? Here are some simple hints as how to keep as much muscle as possible from that week while still having fun:

1. Leave at least 2 liters of water by your bedside to drink when you get home before you go to bed.

Not only will this prevent a hangover, but it will also help to hydrate your muscles.

2. Drink a protein shake or eat something dense in protein before climbing into bed as well (if you can still stand). This will help curb the catabolism occurring inside your body, not to mention you always need protein.

3. When you wake up the next morning and roll over, pray the girl next to you looks as good as she did last night.

If not, shuttle her out of the room as quick as possible before your friends can find out and bust your balls.

4. 45 minutes to an hour before breakfast have a serving of ZMA and 5-10 grams of glutamine. The ZMA will naturally raise your testosterone levels that were lowered from your night of drinking, and the glutamine will help stop catabolism.

5. Eat a big breakfast filled with foods that are rich in protein, calcium, phosphorus and iron. Your body is craving these key nutrients since the alcohol diminished them the night before.


Conclusion

Let's face it, alcohol is fun, real fun. It makes fat girls attractive, gets ugly guys laid, gives the skinny, shy kid confidence to stand up and make a fool of himself, and helps uncoordinated, white guys like me dance. Unfortunately, it also reduces testosterone among all the other negative things mentioned earlier in this article. That doesn't mean you shouldn't have fun, don't be afraid to go out and have a good time. I've seen way too many bodybuilders who stay in on weekends. Go out, drink a few beers, have a good time, just keep it in moderation.

[johnq]

good post schuldiner interesting

[gixxerboy1]

drinking may lower your production of test. But remeber we are talking on cycle. So your injecting it so its not effected.

is alcohol good for you? No. Will a night of drinking here or there effect the results of your cycle? no

[AnimalGear]

yeah

[anabolicpower]

Ive got drunk on a cycle several times (and by drunk i mean literally drunk, heavy drinking). (injectables cycle only). No it wont kill you, but it's not good for you either. Personally i believe it wont hurt once in a while, but doing it pretty often is not good. Also the thing is, while you are on a cycle you probably already have elevated mood, so you dont need much alcohol. But never mix 17aa steroids and alcohol, that's stupidity and irresponsibility.

[No One Knows]

I've been saying this for years... My typical breakfast consists of:

1 tbone steak
6 whole eggs
1 cup grits
2 16 oz budweiser
100mg anadrol

[anabolicpower]

I've been saying this for years... My typical breakfast consists of:

1 tbone steak
6 whole eggs
1 cup grits
2 16 oz budweiser
100mg anadrol

Cheers :P

[MuscleSportMag]

While it's not going to take away your gains, to do it in anything more in moderation during a cycle is poor planning. If you know that you're going on a vacation for a week with your friends to Mexico and plan on getting hammered day and night (which, if you are, good for you), then begin your cycle earlier or after returning home. If you want those muscles for the trip, plan it out that way. It shouldn't even come into question if you're commitment during a cycle is not genuine. And of it isn't, then why bother, right?

[gixxerboy1]

While it's not going to take away your gains, to do it in anything more in moderation during a cycle is poor planning. If you know that you're going on a vacation for a week with your friends to Mexico and plan on getting hammered day and night (which, if you are, good for you), then begin your cycle earlier or after returning home. If you want those muscles for the trip, plan it out that way. It shouldn't even come into question if you're commitment during a cycle is not genuine. And of it isn't, then why bother, right?

because im not a body builder. This isnt my life

[LATS60]

Drink in moderation, makes no diff weather i'm on or off cycle, as long as it doesn't affect my training/diet regime.
However you might want to stay away from the top shelf if your running halo/drol.

[Mbuffguy]

yeah

is that u in the back ?hahahhaha your a stud man keep juicing