Help me decide my next stack

[Reed]

Ok my first real deal cycle failed and I am now unable to obtain any juice easily. Things around my part of the world have cracked down since a bust that went down here recently. So every source I have is telling me to just wait. But I have my first contest coming up and I need to put on some weight for it.
Due to this I have elected to begin a OTC steroid cycle. I've done 5 PROHORMONE cycles with good success and my current stats are 5'11'' at 210. Now this is where everyone else comes in. I can't seem to narrow it down on what cycle would be the best for me. I do have a couple in mind though (Haven't made any purchases) Now I understand my choices are progestins and I'll need clomid/aromasin for pct. I'll go over a few of the products first

Revolt:13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one, Progestin, Old Max LMG chem. For bulking and wet gains. Converts to Nandrolone

Tren 250: Estra-4, 9-Diene Another Progestin Mild compound. For lean gains and fat loss. Converts to dienonlone

Trenadrol:17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone- Progestin, Information seems to be all over the place on this product. Seen ALOT of good reviews.

Superdrol:2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one. Already active steroid. Big gains in strength and dry mass

Cycle 1 :
Wk1-6: Revolt: 100mg/ed
Wk1-6 Trenadrol: 9mg/ed

Cycle 2:
Wk1-6: Revolt: 100mg/ed
Wk4-6 Superdrol clone: 30/ed

Cycle 3 (This one is a little much but thought I'd throw it out there)
Wk1-7:Revolt: 75 mg/ed
Wk1-4:Tren 250:75 mg/ed
Wk 4-7: Superdrol clone: 20mg/ed

Cycle 4: Pretty much Sus500 but I know how much I'm getting
Wk 1-8 Revolt:100mg/ed
Wk1-8 Tren 250: 75mg/ed


Leaning more towards cycle 2 or 3 (if everyone thinks 3 won't kill me) Any and all suggestions, comments would be great. And once it is planned out I will begin a log WITH PICS!!!!

[wukillabee]

Ok my first real deal cycle failed and I am now unable to obtain any juice easily. Things around my part of the world have cracked down since a bust that went down here recently. So every source I have is telling me to just wait. But I have my first contest coming up and I need to put on some weight for it.
Due to this I have elected to begin a OTC steroid cycle. I've done 5 cycles with good success and my current stats are 5'11'' at 210. Now this is where everyone else comes in. I can't seem to narrow it down on what cycle would be the best for me. I do have a couple in mind though (Haven't made any purchases) Now I understand my choices are progestins and I'll need clomid/aromasin for pct. I'll go over a few of the products first

Revolt:13-ethyl-3-methoxy-gona-2,5(10)-diene-17-one, Progestin, Old Max LMG chem. For bulking and wet gains. Converts to Nandrolone

Tren 250: Estra-4, 9-Diene Another Progestin Mild compound. For lean gains and fat loss. Converts to dienonlone

Trenadrol:17b-Methoxy-Trienbolone- Progestin, Information seems to be all over the place on this product. Seen ALOT of good reviews.

Superdrol:2a, 17a-dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-etiocholan -3-one. Already active steroid. Big gains in strength and dry mass

Cycle 1 :
Wk1-6: Revolt: 100mg/ed
Wk1-6 Trenadrol: 9mg/ed

Cycle 2:
Wk1-6: Revolt: 100mg/ed
Wk4-6 Superdrol clone: 30/ed

Cycle 3 (This one is a little much but thought I'd throw it out there)
Wk1-7:Revolt: 75 mg/ed
Wk1-4:Tren 250:75 mg/ed
Wk 4-7: Superdrol clone: 20mg/ed

Cycle 4: Pretty much Sus500 but I know how much I'm getting
Wk 1-8 Revolt:100mg/ed
Wk1-8 Tren 250: 75mg/ed


Leaning more towards cycle 2 or 3 (if everyone thinks 3 won't kill me) Any and all suggestions, comments would be great. And once it is planned out I will begin a log WITH PICS!!!!

Few questions first before i can give quality advice. What are your real goals for this cycle, how long til contest and do they drug test, why do u say ur choices are only progestins and not all ph's u mentioned are progestins? Whats ur age? Just seems kinda crazy you've done 5 real cycles and u only got a 10 more pounds than me at the same height and ive never touched aas yet. Oh well, thats another discussion. Ill reply when i wake up or after the gym, goin to bed now.

[Reed]

Few questions first before i can give quality advice. What are your real goals for this cycle, how long til contest and do they drug test, why do u say ur choices are only progestins and not all ph's u mentioned are progestins? Whats ur age? Just seems kinda crazy you've done 5 real cycles and u only got a 10 more pounds than me at the same height and ive never touched aas yet. Oh well, thats another discussion. Ill reply when i wake up or after the gym, goin to bed now.

Sorry I misprinted I meant 5 PROHORMONE cycles and usually do 6 months in between each cycle. I'm 24, working out for almost 5 years, the contest is in a year, and no it is not tested. Well I'm glad you 10 lbs lighter but I read a previous post from you and you've stated you have also done prohormone cycles so we are in the same boat. Weight means nothing in the world of bodybuilding. Compare my back to your avatar back pic. Don't mean to sound like a ass

My goals is to put on another 10-15 QUALITY pounds, the reason I say most of my choices are progestins is because thats what seems to be out now and that works without being methly. I like to go 6-8 wks instead of just 4wks of some heavily stressful compound. If you have any other suggestions that would be great

[muscleporsche]

REED500, your jacked. Whats your stats? Also, what was your fav prohormone cycle you have done?

[Reed]

REED500, your jacked. Whats your stats? Also, what was your fav prohormone cycle you have done?

Thanks I appreciate that. I'm 24, 5'11 and about 210. I've done 5 cycles and my favorite was probably when I stacked superdrol and finigex magnum. That was my second cycle. Never have had the same feeling since but I am stronger now. I'll just go over my usuage so everyone knows
Start weight into bodybuilding was about 150 pounds at 19 and in two years before I started prohormones I gained roughly 25 pounds and gained significant amounts of strength. I probably did start a little early with my weight but nothing I can do now.
Mar2006
First cycle: Superdrol wk1:20mg
wk2: 30mg
wk3:30mg Starting weight:approx 173lbs End weight: approx181 kept around 5lbs. Didn't put much weigh on after since it was summer and I was trying to keep the shredded look

Sept2006
Second cycle: Superdrol wk1:20mg Finigex:75mg
wk2:20mg, 75mg
wk3:30mg,75mg
wk4:30mg,75 Starting weight:approx:182 End weight:195 kept only about 7-8lbs

June 2007
Third cycle :AMS: 1AD/4AD stack forgot the dosage? Took the 4AD that had 4andro in it not whatever that have in it now.
wk1:start weight was 193
wk6:end weigh was 205
Just got back from being at the beach for two weeks (Got up to 198lb b4 I left and yes I got completely shit faced every night so let the flaming began!!!) and only one week of being back into training b4 i started my cycle. And at this time I had just finished up school and I no longer had to balance a 40 hr. wk/ job, 18 hrs of school, and bodybuilding so weight began to come on easier.

Oct 2007-
Fourth Cycle :Sus500 4caps a day
wk1:start weight 205
wk6:end weight 218
During this cycle I had been going to buffets and just trying to put on weight. BF% was probably 14-16. Got pics but I gotta find them

Feb 2008
Fifth Cycle: First lean down cycle, Bold 1,4. Tren 250, PheraPlex
wk1:600mg Bold, 30mg PP
wk2:same
wk3:same
wk4:same
wk5:800mg Bold, 75mg Tren
wk6:same
wk7:same
wk8:same
I had cut a significant amount of carbs out my diet and was doing cardio 5x a week (Don't usually do cardio) Went from 216 BF-14-16% to about 208 BF- 8%. I lost weight during this cycle but kept my strength and got a little stronger as well. But got real shredded and defined.

And that is my complete cycle history

[muscleporsche]

No prob. So can you get this stuff at supplement stores? I keep hearing crazy stuff about this "Superdrol". I want to stay natural for now. What I mean by natural is no juice...

[muscleporsche]

Also 5'11 210 is good size. I'm 6'3 245.

[Reed]

No prob. So can you get this stuff at supplement stores? I keep hearing crazy stuff about this "Superdrol". I want to stay natural for now. What I mean by natural is no juice...

Yeah I mostly order it online. Superdrol will probably get banned soon so you might want to give it a shot. Hey I don't see the point of juice unless your in some kind of competition.

[Reed]

Bump, anybody got any advice though??????

[wukillabee]

Sorry I misprinted I meant 5 PROHORMONE cycles and usually do 6 months in between each cycle. I'm 24, working out for almost 5 years, the contest is in a year, and no it is not tested. Well I'm glad you 10 lbs lighter but I read a previous post from you and you've stated you have also done prohormone cycles so we are in the same boat. Weight means nothing in the world of bodybuilding. Compare my back to your avatar back pic. Don't mean to sound like a ass

My goals is to put on another 10-15 QUALITY pounds, the reason I say most of my choices are progestins is because thats what seems to be out now and that works without being methly. I like to go 6-8 wks instead of just 4wks of some heavily stressful compound. If you have any other suggestions that would be great

Oh ok, makes more sense now. I thought u meant youve already done 5 aas cycles before. I got some ideas for you.

#1
6-8 week cycle depending if u gotta enough dough for it cus it will be pricey. Will consist of m-drol, winztrol, bold.
week 1
30mg m-drol and 600mg bold
weeks 2-4
40mg of m-drol and 800mg of bold
weeks 4-8
250mg of winztrol and 800mg of bold.

I think this cycle for someone with ur build will produce at least 10-15 pounds of quality size, not bulky water weight size. Im sure u know too it doesnt matter what u take if ur diet isnt in check then no gains will be made. If u got ur diet right and do this cycle, i believe you'll get what ur looking for.
What do you think?
Then again, if you've come this far and have the ph history and wont be tested, why not do real aas? Seems for me at least real aas is cheaper in price and will provide real gains for a longer time then the prohormone quick fixes. Im gonna do my first aas cycle mid august and cant wait. Im also 24 and with very similar stats as u but have no desire at all to ever compete because i just bb for myself and my own satisfaction. Best of luck to u and hope u kill it on stage, just not my thing.

[Reed]

Much appreciated on the cycle suggestion. Yeah I wish I could find some aas but there was a BIG bust here in town recently and all my sources are to scared to do anything, which is understandable. I have test prop but the shit cramped me up so bad I didn't think it was worth it. I only did three shots, first one in the quad, the next two in the glutes. The pain was pretty bad but nothing I couldn't deal with just had to be careful not to sit on my ass to fast. haha. I guess it was the quad injection and how the prop just cramped my muscle up to where I couldn't do squats or presses at all. Wasn't about to put it in my shoulders and have the same issue. It would have been funny, all this juice in me but I'm just one big gimp and cant move. I just think it would be better to wait and have a good experience with a ester thats not as painful. Fortunately time is still on my side. Definately gonna look into the suggestions you made.

[Reed]

That cycle would be expensive. What about the possibility of running the Max LMG for the 8 weeks instead of the Bold. Cause for that cycled I'd have to get 4 bottles of it and the shit is expensive

[ACE5HIGH]

From your second post I thought you were looking to stay away from Methyls or "harsh" compounds?

Other then M1T I think SD is that hardest stuff out best gains also. Personaly I love the stuff but couldnt deal with the sides after my 2nd go with it.

When you say contest Im thinking lean size... Ive always been well pleased with Furazadrol, takes a bit to kick in but its nice lean gain.

Otherwise, you could go the Tren + H-drol cycle like myslef and I think a few others... Seems to be going very well so far.

Honestly though I would agree with waiting it out for the "real deal". You have a good build to start, and running cycle after cycle of orals esspecially like M-drol is really going to take its toll on liver and blood lipids down the road. Also unlike prop, a longer ester test like test-E is not going to cause to much soreness to workout if any...

[wukillabee]

That cycle would be expensive. What about the possibility of running the Max LMG for the 8 weeks instead of the Bold. Cause for that cycled I'd have to get 4 bottles of it and the shit is expensive

The problem is with max lmg, revolt, and most progestins is that they give u not really lean mass but more of a bulky mass like what phera-plex would give. Ive never used these progestins because of this but have read many logs of people using these compounds and all say the same. Take aceshigh suggestion and if u like the cycle i suggested then combine em. U can replace the bold from my cycle with the furz and run that 8 weeks and first 4 weeks of m-drol and last 4 weeks of winztrol. I think that would give really good lean mass with diet and training in check as well. Just everyone ive talked to thats used products like revolt and max lmg say its more bulky gains than quality lean gains like what ur looking for. This will save u some bucks too!

[Reed]

I mean I'll try to avoid the harsh compounds but I just like being "ON" for longer than a month. I might just wait it out but lord knows when the shit will come through its not like these compounds I can just pick up at my local health store. And its just stressfull when you know fronting the money and worrying if the shit is real or not. I mean I ain't trying to get 50 cent on some people and have to kick in a door...haha. Now I did get blood work done just before my Sus500 cycle, think it was in Sept 2007. Got the full spectrum done liver values, cholestrol, test levels, etc. and the doc said everything was in check and I was healthy as a horse. Didn't get to look at the numbers or anything but I have always prepped properly for these cycles and taken my milk thistle and EFA's 3-6-9, 10 days before the cycle, throughout PCT, and usually just finish up what I have left after PCT.

I know I probably should wait but I gotta get this weight on for the show. I want to win the novice overall and hopefully get a top two placing in the open for my class (Big Dreams, I know). About to obtain a trainer that is national level bodybuilder that is on the verge of getting his pro card. Don't know if I can say his name but he was been on the cover of Flex, M&F, its kinda a big deal. He is reason I started to train for shows he says I have alot of potential to do real well. But we will see, don't wanna put the cart ahead of the horse.

[wukillabee]

I mean I'll try to avoid the harsh compounds but I just like being "ON" for longer than a month. I might just wait it out but lord knows when the shit will come through its not like these compounds I can just pick up at my local health store. And its just stressfull when you know fronting the money and worrying if the shit is real or not. I mean I ain't trying to get 50 cent on some people and have to kick in a door...haha. Now I did get blood work done just before my Sus500 cycle, think it was in Sept 2007. Got the full spectrum done liver values, cholestrol, test levels, etc. and the doc said everything was in check and I was healthy as a horse. Didn't get to look at the numbers or anything but I have always prepped properly for these cycles and taken my milk thistle and EFA's 3-6-9, 10 days before the cycle, throughout PCT, and usually just finish up what I have left after PCT.

I know I probably should wait but I gotta get this weight on for the show. I want to win the novice overall and hopefully get a top two placing in the open for my class (Big Dreams, I know). About to obtain a trainer that is national level bodybuilder that is on the verge of getting his pro card. Don't know if I can say his name but he was been on the cover of Flex, M&F, its kinda a big deal. He is reason I started to train for shows he says I have alot of potential to do real well. But we will see, don't wanna put the cart ahead of the horse.

Talk to this guy bro, im sure hes got mad sources for gear. If you dont want to go that route, what do you think about my above suggestion? Sucks the prop hurt u so bad, did you try cutting it with b12? Ive read that and/or cottonseed oil helps with prop pain. I got cyp and gonna order some injectable b12 as well. Ill do some injects with just the cyp to see how it is then do 1/2 ml of b12 with every shoot for the extra vitamins, couldn't hurt thats for sure. From that pic, you do look like you got potential bro! Keep up the good work!

[Reed]

Oh i know he does but I don't know if he'd do that for me. He just helps me on my diet at the moment. He helped me tweak it a bit. The training regiment he said for now is up to me until a couple of months before the show. Like thanksgiving time we would start discussing my regiment for a show that is in June. Don't know why but whatever. I hint at the stuff but he kinda gives me the 'there not all that much of a difference maker'. Pfffft. Flame me all you want for this but my mind is made up you ain't lookin like ronnie or phil without em.I'm going try to man up and just ask the dude.

[Reed]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions; think I'll look into the aas road for just a few more days then I'm starting the cycle. Think I will have to go for the Revolt for the base though. I know booooo but hey I'll be doing a log on it so you can get to probably watch me turn into a water monster. Both the other suggestions are good but Bold and furz are both expensive. Someone told me that furz is like tren kinda weak.I know Bold and tren felt weaker to me then any other cycle. It felt like I was on something on all my other cycles. Heck 3 shots of prop felt stronger the a 6 wk build up of bold. Like within 4 hours after my second shot my eyes dilated for some reason. I got nolva/aromasin already cause of my prop cycle so I guess I just need to get some clomid soon. The cycle will be like this

wk1-8: Revolt 75mg
wk1-4:Mdrol 20,30,30,30 (don't think I'll do 40 mgs of superdrol, isn't that a little harsh?????)
wk4-8:250mg Winztrol

What about if I do get gyno symptoms just run the aromasin at 25 mgs tell symptoms subside. I've never had problems before but since it is a progestin and a wet compound I need to take caution.

Also I'll preload 2000mg of Milk Thistle and 1200mg of RYR 10 days b4 cycle and through PCT. I'll also add 1000mg of Vitamin B3 on the day I begin the cycle and keep it running till PCT

Sound good?? If not let me know what I need to adjust. Thanks for any and all help

[Reed]

Bump for answers

[ACE5HIGH]

Thanks everyone for the suggestions; think I'll look into the aas road for just a few more days then I'm starting the cycle. Think I will have to go for the Revolt for the base though. I know booooo but hey I'll be doing a log on it so you can get to probably watch me turn into a water monster. Both the other suggestions are good but Bold and furz are both expensive. Someone told me that furz is like tren kinda weak.I know Bold and tren felt weaker to me then any other cycle. It felt like I was on something on all my other cycles. Heck 3 shots of prop felt stronger the a 6 wk build up of bold. Like within 4 hours after my second shot my eyes dilated for some reason. I got nolva/aromasin already cause of my prop cycle so I guess I just need to get some clomid soon. The cycle will be like this

wk1-8: Revolt 75mg
wk1-4:Mdrol 20,30,30,30 (don't think I'll do 40 mgs of superdrol, isn't that a little harsh?????)
wk4-8:250mg Winztrol

What about if I do get gyno symptoms just run the aromasin at 25 mgs tell symptoms subside. I've never had problems before but since it is a progestin and a wet compound I need to take caution.

Also I'll preload 2000mg of Milk Thistle and 1200mg of RYR 10 days b4 cycle and through PCT. I'll also add 1000mg of Vitamin B3 on the day I begin the cycle and keep it running till PCT

Sound good?? If not let me know what I need to adjust. Thanks for any and all help

I for one would love to see how the revolt turns out! Have heard good things but not much out there yet because its kinda new...

There really inst any reason to go to 40mg of SD, even 30 is high IMO. Ive never heard anyone getting better gains above 30mg of SD, they all just get too sick or the sides become unbarable.

I personally am running .5ml of l-dex and 150mg of p5p all through my current cycle to help with bloat and keep gyno at a distance. I would deff run something similar with your cycle, SD for me has been a gyno nightmare. I may just be sensitive but Gyno scares me...

[Reed]

Ok good then its settled this will be my next cycle if I can't get get any aas, which more than likely won't happen. Yeah I think I'll keep some on hand just due to the fact I don't seem to be gyno prone and also don't want to suppress too much estrogen for growth reasons. Seen alot of articles about people not getting gains they should because they are running an AI and the estrogen dips too low. I've read articles about a "delayed" gyno from superdrol and one theory suggest that the AI's could be adding to the risk of gyno. Just something to let you know. If you'd like that link PM me

[ACE5HIGH]

This is kind of an unresolved issue at this point at least in my eyes... Ive heard many people support both sides about getting SD gyno from both using and not using AI's. Actully part of the reason Ive decided not to mess with it anymore (since I do seem to be prone) Ive had trouble running it with an AI and with just nolva, Haha thats when you know its time to just stay away from certain things...

I am gad to have the L-dex in my case, as people warned about bloat/gyno issues with Tren. Origanly was just saving it for PCT but when I started to get puffy all around I figured; Why Not its a cutting cycle NE way... For you, I think your going about it the right way then, to have it on hand if you start to have issues. I am also taking a good dose of P5P for the first time to help with prolactin from the progestin, you may want to look into it yourself if you havent used it b4