Prop pain is unbearable , does it ever go away ?

[Michael Scott]

I don't know about everybody else but when I heard about injections being painful I always thought it was the physical act of injecting yourself with a needle, but that was a breeze. Instead it's the pain the day after, it's killing me. I injected in my right glute monday and my right thigh yesterday and I can hardly move. It's so freaking sore and painful. I can't walk . It hurts when I even sit down. I planned on taking this week off from working out to rest my body. But what am I supposed to do when I start lifting again. How could I ever do squats when my legs are feeling like this. Assuming my shoulder starts to hurt a lot, how can I ever bench press. I don't know how I'm going to make gains if I can't even get to the gym.

[SMCengineer]

You'll get used to it. It's not just pain from the prop, it's also pain from having virgin muscles. Kinda like working out for the first time. That's one of the reasons why everyone recommends Test E for your first cycle.

[RJstrong]

Nope... you just learn to deal with it.

[MojoNoir]

Yup. That's why I've always preferred Enen: Fewer injections and 1/2 the pain. lol

[fujitsupalm]

Try cutting it with Cotton seed oil, the high BA concentration gave me paint like you described in my last batch of Test, or alternatively, before my cotton seed oil arrived from the net, i juiced myself with the mixture of deca also which is in a richer oil, which soothed it a little bit, still beats the alcohol sting.

[Michael Scott]

You'll get used to it. It's not just pain from the prop, it's also pain from having virgin muscles. Kinda like working out for the first time. That's one of the reasons why everyone recommends Test E for your first cycle.

I'm kind of regretting not using Test E for my first cycle now. I just didn't want the extra bloat, and I didn't want to risk using an AI and hindering my gains

[Michael Scott]

Nope... you just learn to deal with it.

So I'm going to have to learn how to do squats with my legs feeling like this ?

[Michael Scott]

Try cutting it with Cotton seed oil, the high BA concentration gave me paint like you described in my last batch of Test, or alternatively, before my cotton seed oil arrived from the net, i juiced myself with the mixture of deca also which is in a richer oil, which soothed it a little bit, still beats the alcohol sting.

I've heard people use the term "cutting" a lot but I'm not sure what exactly it means how to do it. Are you just mixing some other oil in the syringe with the prop ?

[Lemonada8]

It should get better, does it feel like bruise? or like a burning pain? if it feels like a bruise its fine just the virgin muscle complex.... you can try injecting then going to work out, that will help disperse the oil...
i wrote a thread about injection pain in the educational thread, and i dont feel like re writing that here... so check that out...

[Lemonada8]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...83#post4058383


thats the thread

[Michael Scott]

thanks lemonada. Anyways I found some cotton seed oil on the site sponsor's site, is it really going to make a significant difference ? And do you think 2:1 Prop to cotton is a good ratio ?

[JiGGaMaN]

thanks lemonada. Anyways I found some cotton seed oil on the site sponsor's site, is it really going to make a significant difference ? And do you think 2:1 Prop to cotton is a good ratio ?

Find prop made with ethyl oleate, its a night and day difference in terms of pain. I attempted prop back in the day and it hurt like hell. Made my own with ethyl oleate and I cant remember where i injected the day before. If the resources arent at your disposal to make your own prop, you can find ethyl oleate reasonably priced if you look hard. Its 10000000% worth it, anyone whose tried EO prop and reg prop can vouch for me.

[Michael Scott]

would it be against the rules for you to tell me the name of a prop made with ethyl oleate ? I won't be using it for this cycle cause I have a bunch of prop I don't want to waste.

[SMCengineer]

^^yes.

[Michael Scott]

I just read that you shouldn't use cotton seed oil to cut prop because it's not sterile, is that true?

[JiGGaMaN]

would it be against the rules for you to tell me the name of a prop made with ethyl oleate ? I won't be using it for this cycle cause I have a bunch of prop I don't want to waste.

Farmak. i make it almost the same way, 50mg/ml.

[JiGGaMaN]

^^yes.

Why would that be? People say Sustanon, Omnadren, nolvadex and clomid all the time, those are specific brands and not the chemical name.

[916casanova]

I feel ya man. I'm doing injections eod of 200mg prop and 75mg tren a. I just time it with what I'm working. If I'm doing anything chest or shoulders I do a delt inject that day cuz I know the next day I will be sore. Same with hittin the glutes. That's leg day or else it will kill doing squats the next day.

[SMCengineer]

Why would that be? People say Sustanon, Omnadren, nolvadex and clomid all the time, those are specific brands and not the chemical name.

Source fishing.

[Lemonada8]

hey sorry to hijack but why are u runnin it EOD? its best run ED, more stable blood levels, slightly better gains, less sides (esp w/ tren)... JMO

I feel ya man. I'm doing injections eod of 200mg prop and 75mg tren a. I just time it with what I'm working. If I'm doing anything chest or shoulders I do a delt inject that day cuz I know the next day I will be sore. Same with hittin the glutes. That's leg day or else it will kill doing squats the next day.

[Lemonada8]

If you cut it with anything, u need filtered oil... so if u get the oil either get 'filtered' or just buy some filters and filter it yourself... get the.2 micron...

I just read that you shouldn't use cotton seed oil to cut prop because it's not sterile, is that true?

[Michael Scott]

If you cut it with anything, u need filtered oil... so if u get the oil either get 'filtered' or just buy some filters and filter it yourself... get the.2 micron...

sorry for all the questions but I'm having trouble finding filtered oil. The cotton seed oil on the site sponsor doesn't say if it's fitlered or not. And I checked the lab section of this forum to learn how to filter yourself and it looks really complicated for me. I really don't want to mess anything up. I'm giving some serious thought to getting some Test E ASAP and just start running that. I don't know if I should, but pain from the injections won't be something I could handle on a normal basis because I'm an active person. I'm not sure how I would even rotate working out a muscle the same day you inject there. Say your work your legs each monday, so you inject in your right thigh on Monday, but then you've still got to hit your left thigh and both glutes before Monday so you're still going to be in pain by the time of your next leg workout.

[growboy]

Running prop and tren right now and it hurts like hell!!!!!!!! but the results outweigh the pain . i've learned to enjoy it. as i hobble around all day the pain reminds me that i'm growing. that said prop with ethe olate shure helps.

[Garbanzo Dude]

Find prop made with ethyl oleate, its a night and day difference in terms of pain. I attempted prop back in the day and it hurt like hell. Made my own with ethyl oleate and I cant remember where i injected the day before. If the resources arent at your disposal to make your own prop, you can find ethyl oleate reasonably priced if you look hard. Its 10000000% worth it, anyone whose tried EO prop and reg prop can vouch for me.

not sure what ethyl oleate is? is it an oil can you cut with it the same way??

What do you think about using b-12 to cut it??

[JiGGaMaN]

B-12 iunno, if your into that, it just B-12 and oil as well. EO reduces the pain a lot more.

[roid_rage]

I'm kind of regretting not using Test E for my first cycle now. I just didn't want the extra bloat, and I didn't want to risk using an AI and hindering my gains

And who told you that you dont need to run any AI while on prop?? is not the ester what's going to give you strogen related problems, but the test...

[MercyDog]

keep hitting the same spots when you pin the pain will be less everytime after. check out a whatman for filtering its easy

[sohigh]

So if i ordered USP cottenssed oil, that would suffice rite? I wouldn't need to filter it?

[MercyDog]

Back up here...............
whats the mgs. per cc?
is it ug, pharm, or brew?

[sohigh]

mgs per cc? are we still talking about cottonseed oil? didn;t knwo there was a mg per cc scenario there. orderred it from Ar-r, 100ml usp cottonseed oil.

[MercyDog]

no how many mgs. prop per ml.?
ug, pharm, or brew?

[MercyDog]

ml is 1/1000 a liter while cc is cubic centimeter, basically the same

[NATE0406]

just cut with cotton seed oil. try 1ml of cso/ 1ml of prop. see if that help. you are just going to have to deal with it. it takes time to get used to it.

[JAY_WD]

No need to cut it IMHO.

Just massage the injection site for like 2-5 mins after your shot and you are fine.

Did a shot in quad monday and went straight to bed. It isa now friday and still cant wak properly.

Did another quad shot last night, massaged area for 2-5 mins and i cant even tell i shot that leg last night. Massaging works...period.

[MercyDog]

I didn't catch what mgs. the prop is, or how many mls he was loading, and already he's gone and ordered oil. He may have started with 50mgs. per ml and was just not use to the prop pain. Now he could be on the road to a major infection with no diff. results from where he started

[sohigh]

Mercydog, I don't understand why I would be on the path of an infection if I am using USP oil, doesn't that mean that it was either baked and or filtered under sanitary conditions for injecting? And as for mg/cc, I am using a well known swedish labs test prop which is 200mg per cc, I am also stacking it with Masteron which is 125mg per cc. I shoot .5cc of test and 1 cc of masteron in the same syringe eod at 5pm. I started the test by itself for 2 weeks before bringing in masteron, although the test was painful, i made due but as soon as i stacked it with masteron(which is also a prop) I was crippled, there is no way to act tuff with something when your body will simply not move because of teh pain let alone the fever that followed. If you have advice on what I could due, it would be greatly appreciated.

[Bulldog1115]

prop pain sucks..but i love results asap .. im impatient

[MercyDog]

Ok I can feel what your talking about now. 200mgs. per cc is a high prop concentration.

Since its both prop, I'll do the solutions together.......................................... .

If we do the math then...(200Px.5)+(125Mx1)=225mgs. per 1.5cc or 150mgs. per cc

Basically you have 2 choices, once again your currently at 150mg/cc

1. Dilute to 225mgs. per 2cc, which in this case you'll be adding back 50% more oil.
2. Or make 225mgs. per 3cc, in which you'll be adding back 100% more oil

On option 1 you pin eod at 113mgs. per cc (thats pinning 2cc at once)
On option 2 you pin ed at 75mgs. per cc (thats pinning 1.5cc at once)

As you can see at the end of the week your still at the same 788mgs. Here's the simple, obvious question. Which do you prefer if the results are equal...........

a. 225mgs@1.5cc eod
b. 113mgs@2cc eod
c. 75mgs@1.5cc ed

I'd pick c. So double your current stash. Also the USP Oil isn't the problem the transporting it into another bottle is. For about $20 you can get 2 sterile 50ml vials, 2 50ml syringes, and 2-18gauge pins. Don't be afraid to use alcohol, gloves(sandwich bag), ect. Since the rubber stoppers get worn out you'll want to load everything into your new sterile 50ml vial in 4 attempts or less, especially using 18 gauge. Whatever you get out of your old vials, add equally that much back in oil. Now load the new oil and gear into the new 50ml. Make sure to make the bottles so you'll know which is which.

I don't know how much of each you have on hand but if it were me I'd probably just blend the two together. Awe yea the other 18gauge goes into the rubber stopper of whichever one your loading or unloading. It works like a valve!

[CAMboy]

I don't know about everybody else but when I heard about injections being painful I always thought it was the physical act of injecting yourself with a needle, but that was a breeze. Instead it's the pain the day after, it's killing me. I injected in my right glute monday and my right thigh yesterday and I can hardly move. It's so freaking sore and painful. I can't walk . It hurts when I even sit down. I planned on taking this week off from working out to rest my body. But what am I supposed to do when I start lifting again. How could I ever do squats when my legs are feeling like this. Assuming my shoulder starts to hurt a lot, how can I ever bench press. I don't know how I'm going to make gains if I can't even get to the gym.

Shooting the glutes is where I get less interference with my workouts when it comes to soreness. But the more u shoot on the same spot, u end up getting use to it later. I did this once (just a suggestion that worked for me): I did 100mg of some painful Mexico test prop EOD on my delts. Monday - Left delt. Wednesday - Right delt. Friday - Left delt. Sunday - Right Delt. ETC. I got so use to the pain after 2 weeks that I was able to start moving my delts like if nothing happened. Worked for me.

[MercyDog]

bump for info, since I cant email, pm, ect