First Cycle Advice

[Quicksilva]

Hey... I am 21, 6.0", 81kg and been training for 3 years about 5-6 times per week. I am looking to do my first cycle to bulk myself up to about 88-90kg so I can cut back to around 86kg. I work as a Personal Trainer and I have got my diet and training in order. At the moment this is the cycle I am looking to go on....

Testosterone Cypionate: 200mg p/w 12 weeks
Deca: 200mg p/w 12 weeks
Dianabol: 20mg p/d first 4 weeks

I am not sure what PCT I should be looking at with this or whether the dosages are enough (slightly smaller than what is recommended for a beginner?)

Cheers guys

[HORSE~]

If it's your first cycle I would just keep it simple and run test E or C at 500 mg per week for 12 weeks....



If you want a kick start I don't see a problem with adding 30 to 50 mg's of dbol ED for the first four weeks....

[Quicksilva]

If it's your first cycle I would just keep it simple and run test E or C at 500 mg per week for 12 weeks....



If you want a kick start I don't see a problem with adding 30 to 50 mg's of dbol ED for the first four weeks....

Would I see more gains doing that? Reason I put less test C/E in the cycle was I thought it would have slightly less side effects...

[ACpower]

agreed 200mg of cyp a week not gonna do much def run at least 500mg a week. most dont listen when told to just run test for their first cycle so if ur one of those poeple run the cycle like this

weeks 1-12 test c 500mg a week
weeks 1-11 deca 400mg a week
weeks 1-4 dbol 20mg ed

[Quicksilva]

agreed 200mg of cyp a week not gonna do much def run at least 500mg a week. most dont listen when told to just run test for their first cycle so if ur one of those poeple run the cycle like this

weeks 1-12 test c 500mg a week
weeks 1-11 deca 400mg a week
weeks 1-4 dbol 20mg ed

I am perfectly happy just running test for my first cycle if that is better for a beginner. Would 400mg p/w of test C be enough? along with 25mg dbol for first 4 weeks to kick start..

[Dukkit]

I am perfectly happy just running test for my first cycle if that is better for a beginner. Would 400mg p/w of test C be enough? along with 25mg dbol for first 4 weeks to kick start..

if its your first cycle, that will be enough to give you good gains. long as you eat, eat, eat. but 500mg of the test and 30 mg of d-bol minimum would be the best in my opinion.

[HORSE~]

if its your first cycle, that will be enough to give you good gains. long as you eat, eat, eat. but 500mg of the test and 30 mg of d-bol minimum would be the best in my opinion.

Thats what I would go with I I where you....


As long as your diet and training are spot on you will see great gains from this cycle....

[Quicksilva]

Awesome! Sounds like a plan to me. If the test dosage is 200mg a pop should I spread my injections out through the week or take them both togethor? And lastly what sort of PCT should I use with this cycle?

Thanks so much for the help guys

[Dukkit]

Thats what I would go with I I where you....


As long as your diet and training are spot on you will see great gains from this cycle....

high five!! we agree yet again!!

[Dukkit]

Awesome! Sounds like a plan to me. If the test dosage is 200mg a pop should I spread my injections out through the week or take them both togethor? And lastly what sort of PCT should I use with this cycle?

Thanks so much for the help guys

well most likely if your taking the test C, mine has always come at 250mg per ml. so i would spread it up into 2 injections of 250mg at 2 times a week (mon, thurs)

PCT should consist of Clomid, Nolvadex and I prefer Arimidex.
Clomid.. i dose at 300mg a day for the first week. then 200mg/per day the next week, 150mg/per day the week after and 100mg/per day for the last week. it works well for me. other ppl use different dosages though.

novladex would be 20mg a day for the duration of your pct.

and the arimidex i use .25 mg a day for the PCt.

i prefer caber and hcg also for pct but with your cycle you wont need them.

[Quicksilva]

WHOA!!!! is that much PCT neccessary going to cost me a truckload!!!
If it has to be done it has to be done, but is there not a cheaper way.. Maybe taking a strong test booster or something??

[Dukkit]

you can get away with just clomid and nolva. but i would say you need at least those 2. and where are you located? cuz i get all my PCT items in research chem form and its cheap as hell. i dont spend more then 150 for my PCT items. not including HCG

[Dukkit]

and if you want your balls and dick to work right, your test to come back fast and your gains to stay.. then yes its necessary.

[Quicksilva]

I am located in Ashford in the United Kingdom... Not sure where I would get my PCT stuff from but I will ask my supplier. You are brutally honoust, my dick is very important to me!!!! I take it I shouldnt worry about taking any of that while I am on the cycle unless I get Breast development.

[Dukkit]

I am located in Ashford in the United Kingdom... Not sure where I would get my PCT stuff from but I will ask my supplier. You are brutally honoust, my dick is very important to me!!!! I take it I shouldnt worry about taking any of that while I am on the cycle unless I get Breast development.

there are research chem sites online that deliver to the UK. look it up. talk to some ppl. you will find a good place.
and yea im honest. im just looking out for you man. dont want to see ppl have bad experiences with gear.
i wouldnt bother taking any of those items while on cycle. but be sure to have them before you cycle in case you do get gyno or need to stop the cycle for any reason that you dont forsee.

[Quicksilva]

Sorry to bump this thread.. i am 1 week into my cycle and after reading loads online of people saying you will make little to no good gains from the cycle im on... got the idea for it from the book Anabolics 2007 which said it was a perfect cycle for fresh receptors and trading on the caeful side with side effects.. someone put me at ease please or I may have to up my dosage...