First Cycle Critique please.

[JT8561]

I am about to start my first cycle.

Test E 1-12 weeks 250x2 a week
Winny 8-12 weeks 50mg EoD

For my pct I was gonna run Clomid 5 weeks starting 14 days after last test E inject. Now about the clomid is the clomi they sell at arr good to use?

Someone was also telling me they were running Serophene which is the same as clomid to my understanding their whole cycle too keep they from being bloated and they said it helped control them from breaking out with acne. I'm just trying to figure out how true that is.

Is there anything you would run throughout the cycle too keep the bloat down a little bit?

Stats.

25
5'9"
185
11% BF

[wukillabee]

I am about to start my first cycle.

Test E 1-12 weeks 250x2 a week
Winny 8-12 weeks 50mg EoD

For my pct I was gonna run Clomid 5 weeks starting 14 days after last test E inject. Now about the clomid is the clomi they sell at arr good to use?

Someone was also telling me they were running Serophene which is the same as clomid to my understanding their whole cycle too keep they from being bloated and they said it helped control them from breaking out with acne. I'm just trying to figure out how true that is.

Is there anything you would run throughout the cycle too keep the bloat down a little bit?

Stats.

25
5'9"
185
11% BF

If u gotta ask some of these questions then u really need to research more bro, especially in the pct sub-forum. To help u out, first: Any oral steroid needs to be takin ed or everyday, not sure where u heard or read eod for orals. Even liquid winny needs to be shot ed, not eod. Ur straight on ur test dose, just make sure to shot every 3.5 days or every monday and thursday. Never heard of this sero stuff but if u wanted to learn more about it id suggest to google it. As far as keeping sides such as acne and bloat down, u need an ai, not a serm. Id say l-dex (arimidex) at .25mg eod and go from there. Id also say only do this if the sides r getting bad since an ai while on cycle will hinder some hard earned gains. Now, u need a stronger pct than that bro. CHeck out pheedno's pct protocol in the pct sub-forum sticky. U can even try tormifene (i think thats how u spell it) inplace of the nolva with ur pct. Ive read its a new serm (like mid-late 90's) thats less toxic than nolva and 10x stronger and about the same price. If ur intrested in that, use the search button and youll find more and how to dose it. Good luck bro! P.S., how long have you been training? Id say you should be bbing or training for at least 4-5 years and of course over 23yrs of age before starting any kind of aas. Do some more research bro, its always better to learn from other's mistakes instead of ur own!

[J431S]

why are u taking winny? what's your goal? Otherwise the cycle looks good.

[JT8561]

why are u taking winny? what's your goal? Otherwise the cycle looks good.

Just to cut up at the end really and add a little strength. Its liquid winny as well not tabs, would taking winny every other day be a bad thing? I also forgot to add that for my pct I was gonna run letro with the clomid, and my question with that is, should I run .25mgs ED or EOD. Would it hinder my gains that much? To me I think it would be worth it too keep the bloat down, acne sides depression etc...

[wukillabee]

Just to cut up at the end really and add a little strength. Its liquid winny as well not tabs, would taking winny every other day be a bad thing? I also forgot to add that for my pct I was gonna run letro with the clomid, and my question with that is, should I run .25mgs ED or EOD. Would it hinder my gains that much? To me I think it would be worth it too keep the bloat down, acne sides depression etc...

Letro is harsh bro. Id only say go the letro route if gyno i poping up on or off cycle. Sounds like ur set in ur ways on what ur gonna do since u didnt checkout or consider pheedno's pct since ur saying ur gonna use letro and clomid for ur pct. Liquid winny is shot everyday, some say u can drink it too but id shot it. HAlf life is like 8-10hrs for oral, not sure on injectable but im sure bout the same. Hince the reason why u take it everyday, not eod. Again, have an openmind and research before u start any of this bro. You'll be glad u did in the end!

[JT8561]

Letro is harsh bro. Id only say go the letro route if gyno i poping up on or off cycle. Sounds like ur set in ur ways on what ur gonna do since u didnt checkout or consider pheedno's pct since ur saying ur gonna use letro and clomid for ur pct. Liquid winny is shot everyday, some say u can drink it too but id shot it. HAlf life is like 8-10hrs for oral, not sure on injectable but im sure bout the same. Hince the reason why u take it everyday, not eod. Again, have an openmind and research before u start any of this bro. You'll be glad u did in the end!

No I read the article the only reason I said letro is cause I happen to have a bottle of it, but ya it is harsh. I think im just gonna order the Ldex from arr and run it with clomid. Now do you think I will need nolva as well or can I just get away with clomid and L-dex?

Also what about running .25 L-dex during my cycle ED to keep down bloating and prevent breakouts? sound better?

The only reason I really wanna run L-dex during the cycle is because I am prone to acne as it is, and I wanted to keep the bloating down from the test during the cycle

[wukillabee]

No I read the article the only reason I said letro is cause I happen to have a bottle of it, but ya it is harsh. I think im just gonna order the Ldex from arr and run it with clomid. Now do you think I will need nolva as well or can I just get away with clomid and L-dex?

Also what about running .25 L-dex during my cycle ED to keep down bloating and prevent breakouts? sound better?

The only reason I really wanna run L-dex during the cycle is because I am prone to acne as it is, and I wanted to keep the bloating down from the test during the cycle

Ok, like i said before my friend, only take l-dex on cycle if ur bloating and breaking out more than u can handle. This is ur first cycle so u dont know how ur gonna react. Bloating depends a lot on diet as well as acne and how ur body reacts to the aas. Also, start the l-dex at .25mg eod and go from there, l-dex is strong stuff too bro so no need to jump into ed and to start l-dex from day y of ur cycle if u dont need to right? Can u get away with l-dex and clomid only for pct? MAybe, do u want to take that chance and find out? Thats up to u. Some say l-dex lowers the potency of nolva and aromasin is a better ai for a pct consisting of nolva, not sure how true this is. I always say better safe than sorry and go with pheedno's pct protocol. I wouldnt risk gyno just cus i dont want to dish out an extra 50 bucks to be safe bro. I understand u already have the letro, so do i. Its good to have on hand in case gyno pops up during or after cycle like i also mentioned above. CHeck out c.bino's gyno reversal sticky in the educational sub-forum, good to know just in case. Just tryin to help u out bro. Im sure u dont want to do a half ass pct with half ass gains just as i wouldnt give u half ass answers to a have ass cycle. When r u starting ur cycle? I was also thinking of doing winny the last 4 weeks of my cycle but na, might get some dbol and will just do a kickstart with that for my test cyp cycle if i get it. If not then i might do a superdrol kickstart for my cycle since i got a ton of prohormones sittin around.

[JT8561]

Ok, like i said before my friend, only take l-dex on cycle if ur bloating and breaking out more than u can handle. This is ur first cycle so u dont know how ur gonna react. Bloating depends a lot on diet as well as acne and how ur body reacts to the aas. Also, start the l-dex at .25mg eod and go from there, l-dex is strong stuff too bro so no need to jump into ed and to start l-dex from day y of ur cycle if u dont need to right? Can u get away with l-dex and clomid only for pct? MAybe, do u want to take that chance and find out? Thats up to u. Some say l-dex lowers the potency of nolva and aromasin is a better ai for a pct consisting of nolva, not sure how true this is. I always say better safe than sorry and go with pheedno's pct protocol. I wouldnt risk gyno just cus i dont want to dish out an extra 50 bucks to be safe bro. I understand u already have the letro, so do i. Its good to have on hand in case gyno pops up during or after cycle like i also mentioned above. CHeck out c.bino's gyno reversal sticky in the educational sub-forum, good to know just in case. Just tryin to help u out bro. Im sure u dont want to do a half ass pct with half ass gains just as i wouldnt give u half ass answers to a have ass cycle. When r u starting ur cycle? I was also thinking of doing winny the last 4 weeks of my cycle but na, might get some dbol and will just do a kickstart with that for my test cyp cycle if i get it. If not then i might do a superdrol kickstart for my cycle since i got a ton of prohormones sittin around.

Alright bro, thanks alot for the advice, im gonna use it, and thanks for taking the time out to help me out with the pct. I appreciate it.

[wukillabee]

Alright bro, thanks alot for the advice, im gonna use it, and thanks for taking the time out to help me out with the pct. I appreciate it.

No prob bro, thats what we're here for. Just dont think like a lot of newbs here that our advice can be takin over hours of research. Best of luck and please do some more research bro.

[one8nine]

I am about to start my first cycle.

Test E 1-12 weeks 250x2 a week
Winny 8-12 weeks 50mg EoD

the test looks great but if you did any research at all you would know winny has 8-12 hours active life so it needs to be used EVERY DAY, TWICE

For my pct I was gonna run Clomid 5 weeks starting 14 days after last test E inject. Now about the clomid is the clomi they sell at arr good to use?

clomid alone is the next worse thing to not taking pct at all

the pct i recomend for everyon is
15-18: nolva 40mg, proviron 50mg
if you want, you dont need it but it help:
13-16: hcg 500iu 2x week

but anything from arr is real, just severely overpriced

Someone was also telling me they were running Serophene which is the same as clomid to my understanding their whole cycle too keep they from being bloated and they said it helped control them from breaking out with acne. I'm just trying to figure out how true that is.

Is there anything you would run throughout the cycle too keep the bloat down a little bit?

yes, any aromatize inhibitor. this would be in the order of my favorite
letro
proviron
aromasin
arimidex

i dont know what the one you named is its probably crap

Stats.

25
5'9"
185
11% BF

good place to start