Does this sound ok?

[Doub1e_J]

I have gone over my diet so I know that is in check ( posted it in the diet forum a while back ). I have several years of working out under my belt, and I am currently taking GH at a very low dosage. I am starting my 4th week and will be running it for a min. of 8-10 months.

What I am wanting to run is cyp 8-12 weeks depending on how I respond.
As well I have picked up some winny to go along.

My main question revolves around dosages, and PCT. I am planning on running between 300-500mg ew of cyp. I say between because I do not know. I have seen some people say 250 is too low while others think 500 might be a bit high for a first timer.....what is best?
Winny again not sure how much to take.....how much is best?

I have read that my GH helps a bit with PCT as does clen. I of course will still be running GH, and am purching the clen/T3 from Lion. Is pill or liquid better?

My true PCT is going to be Clomi/Tamox.

And my final question if I notice any gyno, does the clomid or nolv help stop it in it's tracks or do I need to get Letro?

I know that is a bunch of questions. I have done a shit pile of reading as I search this site every day lol, but I want to make sure.

Thanks for your help guys!

[facile]

Age? weight ? BF?

1st cycle?

[Doub1e_J]

Sorry 33yrs old. Around 160lbs I have a very small frame damit. Before working out I was 143lbs. My wife weighed more for the love of god. BF around 12%. And yes this is my first cycle. My goals are mostly to gain strength, bit of size, and come out of it with a hard lean body. I want to get to 9-10% shortly after my cycle.

[facile]

143lbs? How tall? so your diet may be okay since you put on 17 lbs.

As for Cyp good choice for first time, dosage ?? I would do no more than 500 mgs/Wk.

I always use Arimidex or Liquidex while on cycle(less harsh than Letro) and save nolva/clomid for PCT, of course many have used Nolva during just not while on Dec or Tren.

Clen doesn't really help with PCT others use it to cut up a bit and beliefve it helps retain gains, Nolva/Clomi are your PCT chems.

[facile]

BTW are you calling your wife fat? JK I hope she doesn't read this!!

[Doub1e_J]

My wife does not read this but no she is not fat lol. I am just not blessed with any type of size. Both my parents are small too

Any preference over the pill or liquid forms of those two? The clen, or the T3?

[inky-e]

I need a height!

[Doub1e_J]

5 ft 6 if I stretch! I sure hope my kids grow bigger then me.

[one8nine]

I have gone over my diet so I know that is in check ( posted it in the diet forum a while back ). I have several years of working out under my belt, and I am currently taking GH at a very low dosage. I am starting my 4th week and will be running it for a min. of 8-10 months.

What I am wanting to run is cyp 8-12 weeks depending on how I respond.
As well I have picked up some winny to go along.

My main question revolves around dosages, and PCT. I am planning on running between 300-500mg ew of cyp. I say between because I do not know. I have seen some people say 250 is too low while others think 500 might be a bit high for a first timer.....what is best?
Winny again not sure how much to take.....how much is best?

anything less than 500mg of test cyp a week i would call hormone replacement therapy. and being that your test will be the meat of your cycle that is senseless.
also, just for curiosity is your winny injectable or oral?

i would say these would be your two best options
1-10: test c 500mg week (shoot 2x at 250mg each)
1-6: winny 50mg ed
pct starts week 13

or

1-10: test c 500mg week (shoot 2x at 250mg each)
7-12: winny 50mg ed
pct starts week 13

I have read that my GH helps a bit with PCT as does clen. I of course will still be running GH, and am purching the clen/T3 from Lion. Is pill or liquid better?

My true PCT is going to be Clomi/Tamox.

some say pills are more effective, but even if you feel too low in liquid you can just up it
clomid SUCKS
replace your clomid preferably with proviron, or possibly aromasin.

And my final question if I notice any gyno, does the clomid or nolv help stop it in it's tracks or do I need to get Letro?

I know that is a bunch of questions. I have done a shit pile of reading as I search this site every day lol, but I want to make sure.

Thanks for your help guys!

letro!
never use clomid ever
and only use nolva for pct

[redz]

letro!
never use clomid ever
and only use nolva for pct

You really hate clomid alot, I know it has some emotional side effects but its not that bad I feel it helps me in my recovery but to each their own.

[one8nine]

You really hate clomid alot, I know it has some emotional side effects but its not that bad I feel it helps me in my recovery but to each their own.

i dont think there is one thing clomid can do that nolva cant alone, at a lower dose with less side effects. especially if you replace clomid with the proper AI, and possibly even add hcg.

[Doub1e_J]

The winny is oral pills.

Any preference over the pill or liquid forms of those two? The clen, or the T3?

[one8nine]

The winny is oral pills.

Any preference over the pill or liquid forms of those two? The clen, or the T3?

liquid winny is better but injected every day
oral winny is still good, but not as good.
depends on if you like shots every day. if not stick with oral youll be fine.

[Doub1e_J]

I meant is liquid in the clen and T3. Or is pill form better for that? I have not placed my order through Lion so I want to get what ever works best.

[Doub1e_J]

Not to bump this too many times but I want to make sure I have every thing I need as I am placing my order now....

Based on what I think is mentioned above I will be getting liquidex, liquid clen, liquid T3, and Tamox. Is that all I need to prevent gyno, and properly run my PCT?

Also as mentioned above I will still be running my GH.

[Doub1e_J]

Can NE1 confirm this is correct?

Based on what I think is mentioned above I will be getting liquidex, liquid clen, liquid T3, and Tamox. Is that all I need to prevent gyno, and properly run my PCT?

Also as mentioned above I will still be running my GH.

[one8nine]

you also need proviron or aromasin for pct

[Doub1e_J]

That is not being sold from Lion's site. Is there another substitute or a different combination of what I have above that would work?

By the way thanks for helping.

[one8nine]

That is not being sold from Lion's site. Is there another substitute or a different combination of what I have above that would work?

By the way thanks for helping.

no
the guy you get your gear from should be able to get these if hes worth anythinh

[Doub1e_J]

If I just ran the L-dex, tamox, and clomi for PCT along with clen, and my hgh what would the negatives of not using proviron or aromasin ?

Do these two prevent gyno better then previously mentioned ones or keep my gains? Sorry to be a nub, I just want to be sure.

[marcus300]

No need for the winny, just run test only at 500mgs per wk for 10-12 wks, The low dose GH will only aid fat loss, condition and the ususal health benefits but not any tissue gains..

[Doub1e_J]

ya I expect most of the gains to come from the cyp. I just had an opportunity to pick up winny. It does not come around often, and when I read up on it, I liked some of the benefits it claimed ( strength, and muscle firmness ). My wife is already scratching her head at all of these things I have in the house so I doubt I will be doing it again

"You paid how much for this little thing???" lol.

[one8nine]

No need for the winny, just run test only at 500mgs per wk for 10-12 wks, The low dose GH will only aid fat loss, condition and the ususal health benefits but not any tissue gains..

you dont think that winny could add additional hardness and strength? it would be exactly as effective with OR without winny?