Best Stack Out There???

[False Positive]

Hey guys I was hoping to get some advice as far as what has been the best cycle for most of you. I have taken roughly 10 cycles over the last 2 and 1/2 years ranging from Test and Tren to Test and Eq but I have unfortunately been relatively limited by what I have been able to get a hold of. That has all changed and I have just about everything available so with that in mind I wanted to get your opinion on what would be best for adding a fair amount of lean muscle mass. What would be your ideal stack from personal experience?

6'3", 231, 15% Bodyfat
30 Years Old

[one8nine]

diet
http://forums.steroid.com/forumdisplay.php?f=6
get to a respectable 12% before you cycle.
i was 6'3" 220 15% when i was 17 from food and some supps... after 10 cycles i think you dont know how to eat to only be 11 pounds more than that, no offence

but to actually answer your question:
test p/tren a/masteron/var

[False Positive]

Okay. Either way the diet is just now becoming dialed in and will not be an issue. The goal is to hit 10% BF and start the cycle at that point. Var? Anavar?

[one8nine]

Okay. Either way the diet is just now becoming dialed in and will not be an issue. The goal is to hit 10% BF and start the cycle at that point. Var? Anavar?

correct

[jethro1]

You don't have 2 b 12% or less 2 start using aas. I'm sitting at 15% right now and making great gains. I only plan to cut my body fat if I decide to compete in a yr or 2. Plenty of athletes and body builders use aas with great results at more than 12% bf.

[EatLiftGrow]

10 cycles? in 2 1/2 years? are you sure thats right bro?

[False Positive]

10 is probably a little high but somewhere in that ball park. What has worked best for everyone in the past?

[one8nine]

You don't have 2 b 12% or less 2 start using aas. I'm sitting at 15% right now and making great gains. I only plan to cut my body fat if I decide to compete in a yr or 2. Plenty of athletes and body builders use aas with great results at more than 12% bf.

no offence directly to you bro but i think that shows an irresponsible diet and im sure if you were at a lower bodyfat your estro would be lower and you gains could be better

[rhino1]

Damn 189...you sure like to give em hell lol

[jethro1]

no offence directly to you bro but i think that shows an irresponsible diet and im sure if you were at a lower bodyfat your estro would be lower and you gains could be better

No, it's called eating alot of calories and very little cardio. I've been as high as 290lbs at 15% bf. I think I know my body better than u, no offence. I'll worry about cutting when it's time.

[one8nine]

No, it's called eating alot of calories and very little cardio. I've been as high as 290lbs at 15% bf. I think I know my body better than u, no offence. I'll worry about cutting when it's time.

i think its possible to build muscle and reduce fat with a good diet alone, much less with gear involved

[jethro1]

Well then you do it your way, and i'll do it my way, Cool. I don't care about being lean all year long, I want the maximum amount of muscle growth. Yes u can gain muscle while staying lean, I just think u can gain more with a higher caloric intake and some fat in your diet.

[warchild]

i like dbol, test, deca and hgh

[rhino1]

carrying this gigantic thing around keeps me lean...and it gets very vascular when Im on cycle.

[rhino1]

j/k....189 is 100% right....weight that you gain while "bulking" that isn't muscle weight is worthless...so whats the point???....and more than that if that extra portion you "bulk" up is water...how is it possibly beneficial?

Example...

cutting cycle-you should already be lean and can see the muscular detail or are headed that direction

bulking cycle-you're lean(not fat) with extra water in your tissue to aid in saturation of muscle tissue with nutrients etc to promote growth.....NOT WITH EXTRA FAT....if your bf is high...your diet/cardio is wrong...so if you cant get that in check your same habits will be present thus resulting in you getting fatter

You will be "bulky"... lol you will have beautifull muscles under your coat of fat


So if you do bulk...you need to be lean...and eat clean...that is the only time your truely bulking in a beneficial manner. Anything else is horse$hit.

[jamyjamjr]

lol
current stats
6' 4"
275lbs
15% bf

just finishing up my first cycle 125mg sust eod n 40mg var ed 10wks

started my cycle at 297lbs, that's 26%bf.
dropped 8 inches off my waist
went from 17 inch flabby arms to 19 inch nicely formed arms

if you REALLY think you cant start using aas at a higher body fat take a good look at my situation...

[jethro1]

lol
current stats
6' 4"
275lbs
15% bf

just finishing up my first cycle 125mg sust eod n 40mg var ed 10wks

started my cycle at 297lbs, that's 26%bf.
dropped 8 inches off my waist
went from 17 inch flabby arms to 19 inch nicely formed arms

if you REALLY think you cant start using aas at a higher body fat take a good look at my situation...

I tried to tell them, but they just don't listen. I guess alot of professional body builders don't have a clue what there doing either, as alot of them put on some serious body fat in the off season. Go tell 320lb Trey Brewer he better get down to 12% or his gains won't be as good.

[one8nine]

I tried to tell them, but they just don't listen. I guess alot of professional body builders don't have a clue what there doing either, as alot of them put on some serious body fat in the off season. Go tell 320lb Trey Brewer he better get down to 12% or his gains won't be as good.

just because you get results, doesnt mean they couldnt be better

[jethro1]

just because you get results, doesnt mean they couldnt be better

maybe so, maybe not. I'm just saying I don't think it's mandatory that u have to b less than 12% bf before using aas.

[one8nine]

maybe so, maybe not. I'm just saying I don't think it's mandatory that u have to b less than 12% bf before using aas.

well, respectfully, i guess we have to agree to disagree

[jethro1]

well, respectfully, i guess we have to agree to disagree

No biggie bro.

[jamyjamjr]

lol, different people have different goals guys.. stop bustin on someone unless he's really putting himself in harms way... THATS WHAT THIS FORUM IS ABOUT, KNOWLEDGE AND PREVENTION!!!!

[legobricks]

it doesnt matter whether your 15% or 10% if your bulking your going to do it your way. Either way you will grow. Ok so the gains could be better while at a lower bodyfat% BUT it is miniscule just like the gains that are not made while using nolvadex on cycle vs not due to the decrease in IGF1 levels....its miniscule.

Most jsut use AAS to be big but some want to be bigger and cut. Some could care less if they are sub10% bf or not.

BUT

Too high of BF% can actually cause health problems which using AAS can amplify these problems leaving one at risk for heart attack or possible stroke so better be on the safe side and drop the BF% naturally with a good diet. The more muscle you have the easier its going to be to burn fat BUT thats not our concern right now, its health we are worried about (this is to jamyjamjr but we explained this in your thread a while back.)

I honestly dont think one should be chastised for being around 15% bodyfat and using AAS or bulking or whatever. I will still bulk when at 15%bf but prefer to bulk when closer to 10% as thats what I like to do.

[jamyjamjr]

im not bulkin, that's not my goal.. i understand the risks you speak of but iv only taken those risks for one cycle.. i expect to be at 12 percent before my next cycle..


do you walk across the street in a straight line when you j walk, or do you go at an angle? you can do both, ones just a little bit safer
btw im on strict doctors supervision, including blood work every 5 weeks and my body is reacting very well...

thx for the concern

[legobricks]

im not bulkin, that's not my goal.. i understand the risks you speak of but iv only taken those risks for one cycle.. i expect to be at 12 percent before my next cycle..


do you walk across the street in a straight line when you j walk, or do you go at an angle? you can do both, ones just a little bit safer
btw im on strict doctors supervision, including blood work every 5 weeks and my body is reacting very well...

thx for the concern

Yeah i understand but that is not the advice that we give here as it is dangerous. Yes you are under strict doctors supervision and it worked very well for you with the solid diet (which is the most important) and i congratulate you on your progress. But realize that most are not under doctors care and dont get checked up on. Little bit different then your theory but i understand it. Keep the diet and lifting up and keep reachin goals, youve made great progress so far.

[jamyjamjr]

cant disagree with you there man


"common sense is not so common"
-M Twain

[BuffBuffalo]

Haha this thread got a little off topic, but a good read anyway. My best combo so far is the tried and true test/deca, but I've never got my hands on any of the more serious compounds.

[Nitro29]

I want to do test, slin, and Gh. That is the winning combination from what I have read. The only thing I am missing from that on current cycle is slin, but I used Var too. Damn good cycle so far...Nitro

[jamyjamjr]

var is great if stacked correctly