simple first cycle

[ronixone]

i dont have a lot of access to various steroids, i know i can get sust, but i dont want to inject every day. so what are some options on a stack of 2-3 different steroids i should try and get ahold of.
my stats

22 years old

170lbs
5 10 tall

9% body fat

looking to gain 20-30lbs, maybe one type to inject and another for oral maybe a 6-8 week cycle.

[one8nine]

i dont have a lot of access to various steroids, i know i can get sust, but i dont want to inject every day. so what are some options on a stack of 2-3 different steroids i should try and get ahold of.
my stats

22 years old

170lbs
5 10 tall

9% body fat

looking to gain 20-30lbs, maybe one type to inject and another for oral maybe a 6-8 week cycle.

can you get enanthate or cypionate?

[g0dsend]

It would be optimal to gain a more weight naturally and wait a few more years.

But a good starting cycle is Test-E alone, or Test-E with dbols.

500mg TestE - 2 times a week inject 250mg
20-30 mg Dbol - Everyday

[ronixone]

i will ask and see if i can get a hold of those,
if so are those two i can use together or just one or the other

i know i can get dbol, i never herd of test e i will look into this as well

is this what you mean by test e
http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php

and is 20-30lbs gain reasonable for a first cylce for 6-8 weeks?

[one8nine]

i will ask and see if i can get a hold of those,
if so are those two i can use together or just one or the other

i know i can get dbol, i never herd of test e i will look into this as well

is this what you mean by test e
http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php

and is 20-30lbs gain reasonable for a first cylce for 6-8 weeks?

absolutely not even close

[ronixone]

not even close, so what should i expect?

[one8nine]

not even close, so what should i expect?

depends on diet and workout
look in the members results forum for test only cycles

[Banelord]

20 to 30 lbs are u nuts?
When I go in a cycle I want lean muscle that all I want, not even looking at lbs, I do not even look at a scale.
If u get 20 lbs u got to ask yourself how much of that is just water?

[one8nine]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=350460

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355057

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=354237

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341267

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=352920

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=346751

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=316204

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=349213

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=341497

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=331217

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=15647

[Jfew44]

^^ lol. You can expect to gain 10-15lbs on a 10 week cycle of test-e with a 4 week kickstart of dbol. As one8nine said tho, it all depends on the diet.

[ronixone]

could i expect better results with enanthate or cypionate?

[one8nine]

could i expect better results with enanthate or cypionate?

test e is enanthate..
e.. enanthate...

test c is cypionate
c... cypionate

theyre the same thing just different names

[ronixone]

okay so i think im going to go the enanthate and dbol route

taking the test e twice weekly and 30mg of dbol daily, i think i will go for 6 weeks and see how it goes.

what dosage of test e should i take if im doing it bi weekly?

[ronixone]

is there another injectable that i should consider mixing with test e?

[Darksyde]

those 30 + pound cycle gains are usually experienced by people that are nowhere near there genetic potential when they run gear. these types of gains are often lost though, as the trainee is not knowledgeable on proper diet and lifting formats to begin with, so when the drugs are gone soon the muscle is too.

[stpete]

Bi weekly? 6 weeks of dbol, or 6 week cycle all together?

[ronixone]

im thinking of starting two weeks of just dbol 30mg daily
then six weeks of test e shooting twice a week

[Stew]

why? why would you wanna take 2 weeks of just dbol then start with your test e? then youll just have to wait 2 or 3 weeks in between to start feeling the test kick in, run your test with your dbol and by the time your 2 weeks are up with the dbol your gonna start to get some effects of the test,

[kynetguy]

could i expect better results with enanthate or cypionate?

Test is test is test is test. E (enanthate) and C (Cypionate) are very close, very small difference. Enanthate, propionate, Cypionate, decanoate, etc are just esters that determine the release patterns of the hormone.

Bro, lurk, read, research. You do NOT have the base knowledge and understanding yet to be shoving chemicals in your body. You will mess yourself up.

[kynetguy]

im thinking of starting two weeks of just dbol 30mg daily
then six weeks of test e shooting twice a week

Point and case right here. You take dbol WHILE takeing the test. dbol starts you getting results while you are waiting for the test to kick in. And 2 weeks of dbol isn't going to do anything except cause a shutdown. Then waiting on the test e to kick in, you are going to feel like poo.

Research my bro.

[ronixone]

thats what i thought, i have been reading all the articles on dbol and how its used to kick start a cycle, so i assumed you used it first, but i guess it makes sense to use it at the same time, id like to max the cycle at 8 weeks.

so if im doing 30mg of dbol daily
test e 250mg x 2 every week

should i carry the dbol right to the end or maybe after week 4 stop with dbol and just use test e for the last four weeks?
after 4 weeks i should be getting the results from test e and not need the dbol correct.