Durabolin vs Deca Durabolin?

[sharmahonda]

hello everyone
i messed up instead of ordering deca durabolin i ordered durabolin did some research
seems like they are same except deca has a longer life.is this true?
its going to be my second cycle first was test c 12 weeks
29 yrs old 6.1 216lbs 14%bf
week 1-4 dbol 30mg a day
week 1-10 durabolin 400mgs twice a week
week 1-12 test e 500 mgs twice a week
letro .35 a day for the cycle
pct 4 weeks with nolva and clomid
trying to get a hold of hcg and proviron if i do will skip clomid
how does this cycle look?

[stallion_1]

cycle looks pretty good.
deca durabolin (nandrolone decanoate) has a longer life than durabolin (nandrlone phenylpropionate)

[one8nine]

cycle looks pretty good.
deca durabolin (nandrolone undecanoate) has a longer life than durabolin (nandrlone phenylpropionate)

ive never seend deca durabolin habe an undecanoate ester, only decanoate.





to the op-
if you got nandrolone phenylpropionate you have to shoot it daily


injection frequency
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355493

ester weight and active lives
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?p=4131783

[sharmahonda]

im confused

[stallion_1]

im confused

'bout what

[sharmahonda]

about shooting durabolin ed or every 3rd day

[dece870717]

about shooting durabolin ed or every 3rd day

You can get away with shooting every 3rd day.

[stallion_1]

durabolin has a shorter ester (phenylpropionate) than deca (decanoate)
shorter esters have to be shot more frequently than longer esters
in this case, u have phenylprop, so it must be injected every 3 days.
wheres the confusion?

[RANA]

about shooting durabolin ed or every 3rd day

You should do it ED about 50-75mg

[Dog-Slime]

I believe EOD is fine, e3d is a little too long for phenylprop tho.

[te4vass]

ok so since he has test e instead of test p, when should he inject his first shot of npp? since teste takes roughly four to five weeks to kick in.
I am also going to be starting this exact same cycle.

[one8nine]

the only difference between prop and phenyl prop is the ester size, same active live
every day is the only way

[one8nine]

ok so since he has test e instead of test p, when should he inject his first shot of npp? since teste takes roughly four to five weeks to kick in.
I am also going to be starting this exact same cycle.

if you have to inject npp every day anyway why dont you do prop???

[Dog-Slime]

the only difference between prop and phenyl prop is the ester size, same active live
every day is the only way

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

I was trying to find the charts that show the blood levels of different esters but the only relevant thing I could find was this. Are you saying this is wrong? Im pretty sure the charts I was looking for showed phenylprop's blood levels being fine injected EOD (though was best ED of course) but looked a bit iffy on the E3D chart.

[Billytk03z]

i am currently on NPP w/ test prop.... I shoot NPP @ 200mg eod and Prop @ 30mg eod and I am having amazing results..... Npp can be shot anywhere from ed up to e4d... Ideally you want to shoot no later than e3d because you dont want to have declining blood levels, you want to keep your blood levels continually stable.... Also, a simple trt dose of test is all that is needed to keep your sex drive up and running.... it is a myth that you need to run test at an equal or higher level to the 19nor's....

another benefit to the phenylpropionate ester over the deconate is that you will have less to minimal bloating.. NPP is awesome s h i t!!!!!!! have fun....

[te4vass]

if you have to inject npp every day anyway why dont you do prop???

because all I have is test-e. no prop. so im assuming test-e will work just as well.
my thoughts on this cycle were.
sunday 250mg test & 150mg npp
tuesday 150 npp
thursday 250mg test & 150mg npp

no more then 3 days apart for the npp. then just stop the npp two weeks before the test.

look good?

[one8nine]

Steroid esters Drug Active half-life
Formate 1.5 days
Acetate 3 days
Propionate 2 days
Phenylpropionate 4.5 days
Butyrate 6 days
Valerate 7.5 days
Hexanoate 9 days
Caproate 9 days
Isocaproate 9 days
Heptanoate 10.5 days
Enanthate 10.5 days
Octanoate 12 days
Cypionate 12 days
Nonanoate 13.5 days
Decanoate 15 days
Undecanoate 16.5 days

I was trying to find the charts that show the blood levels of different esters but the only relevant thing I could find was this. Are you saying this is wrong? Im pretty sure the charts I was looking for showed phenylprop's blood levels being fine injected EOD (though was best ED of course) but looked a bit iffy on the E3D chart.

yes its wrong
prop is 4.5 days also
acetate has a shorter life than prop
that chart has been altered, where do you get it?

notice EVERYTHING in that chart is descending, except prop is out of order?

[one8nine]

i am currently on NPP w/ test prop.... I shoot NPP @ 200mg eod and Prop @ 30mg eod and I am having amazing results..... Npp can be shot anywhere from ed up to e4d... Ideally you want to shoot no later than e3d because you dont want to have declining blood levels, you want to keep your blood levels continually stable.... Also, a simple trt dose of test is all that is needed to keep your sex drive up and running.... it is a myth that you need to run test at an equal or higher level to the 19nor's....

another benefit to the phenylpropionate ester over the deconate is that you will have less to minimal bloating.. NPP is awesome s h i t!!!!!!! have fun....

yeah
you CAN run deca with tren, its a bad idea
you CAN run winny only

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it a good idea
you are wrong, p-prop has an active life of 4.5 days, it CANNOT be shot e4d
the rule of thumb is to inject 1/4 of the way through an active life
for exapmple, test e has an active life of 10 days. would you inject test e every 10th day?
no, that would be crazy

[one8nine]

because all I have is test-e. no prop. so im assuming test-e will work just as well.
my thoughts on this cycle were.
sunday 250mg test & 150mg npp
tuesday 150 npp
thursday 250mg test & 150mg npp

no more then 3 days apart for the npp. then just stop the npp two weeks before the test.

look good?

no npp needs to be injected daily if you are scared of needles get n.deca

[RANA]

yeah
you CAN run deca with tren, its a bad idea
you CAN run winny only

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it a good idea
you are wrong, p-prop has an active life of 4.5 days, it CANNOT be shot e4d
the rule of thumb is to inject 1/4 of the way through an active life
for exapmple, test e has an active life of 10 days. would you inject test e every 10th day?
no, that would be crazy

Damn ONE8NINE, you are so right

[RANA]

because all I have is test-e. no prop. so im assuming test-e will work just as well.
my thoughts on this cycle were.
sunday 250mg test & 150mg npp
tuesday 150 npp
thursday 250mg test & 150mg npp

no more then 3 days apart for the npp. then just stop the npp two weeks before the test.

look good?

If you're going to shot Test E on Sunday you should shot it also on Weds.

[te4vass]

no npp needs to be injected daily if you are scared of needles get n.deca

yes you have said this before. but the post above urs says he took his eod with great results. and he also mentioned it could be taken e3d. anyone else have a comment?

[one8nine]

yes you have said this before. but the post above urs says he took his eod with great results. and he also mentioned it could be taken e3d. anyone else have a comment?

yes i do

yeah
you CAN run deca with tren, its a bad idea
you CAN run winny only

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it a good idea
you are wrong, p-prop has an active life of 4.5 days, it CANNOT be shot e4d
the rule of thumb is to inject 1/4 of the way through an active life
for exapmple, test e has an active life of 10 days. would you inject test e every 10th day?
no, that would be crazy

[Billytk03z]

yeah
you CAN run deca with tren, its a bad idea
you CAN run winny only

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it a good idea
you are wrong, p-prop has an active life of 4.5 days, it CANNOT be shot e4d
the rule of thumb is to inject 1/4 of the way through an active life
for exapmple, test e has an active life of 10 days. would you inject test e every 10th day?
no, that would be crazy

bro,

please re-read my post before you comment...... no one ever said phenyl-prop can be shot e4d... I said NPP can be shot up to e4d but that it is better to shoot up to and no later than e3d before stable blood levels start to decline..... the propionate ester of prop has a shorter half-life than the phenyl-propionate ester.... so ideally it would be good to shoot test prop and npp eod as a matter of convienance and not out of necessity......

[te4vass]

If you're going to shot Test E on Sunday you should shot it also on Weds.

I shoot the test-e twice a week @ 250mg each time. 500 total a week.

[one8nine]

bro,

please re-read my post before you comment...... no one ever said phenyl-prop can be shot e4d... I said NPP can be shot up to e4d but that it is better to shoot up to and no later than e3d before stable blood levels start to decline..... the propionate ester of prop has a shorter half-life than the phenyl-propionate ester.... so ideally it would be good to shoot test prop and npp eod as a matter of convienance and not out of necessity......

prop and pprop have the same active life
please educate yourself before giving terrible advice
neither can be injected e4d

[RANA]

I shoot the test-e twice a week @ 250mg each time. 500 total a week.

I know but you should shot it every 3.5 days. If you go Sunday and Thursday that is 4 days and then 3 days apart. When I did mine I went Sunday morning and then Weds. night.

[Dog-Slime]

yes its wrong
prop is 4.5 days also
acetate has a shorter life than prop
that chart has been altered, where do you get it?

notice EVERYTHING in that chart is descending, except prop is out of order?

Got it right here: http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=309685

Also the profiles state prop estered compounds to have a 2-3 day active life and phenyl prop compounds to have a 5 day active life.

I really wish I could find those graphs. Maybe someone reading knows and will post a link?

[te4vass]

yeah
you CAN run deca with tren, its a bad idea
you CAN run winny only

just because you CAN do something doesnt make it a good idea
you are wrong, p-prop has an active life of 4.5 days, it CANNOT be shot e4d
the rule of thumb is to inject 1/4 of the way through an active life
for exapmple, test e has an active life of 10 days. would you inject test e every 10th day?
no, that would be crazy

ok so according to your rule of thumb, inject 1\4 the way through an active life. so its ok to inject test-e every 3 to 4 days with an active life of 10 days. even though 1\4 of 10 days is only 2.5 days. so theoretically it would be safe to say 1\4 of 4.5 days would be ok to inject eod. or close to 1.6 days.

[Billytk03z]

prop and pprop have the same active life
please educate yourself before giving terrible advice
neither can be injected e4d

my education is actual use with the aforementioned compounds and results which im sure you have none of.... just stick to reading and reciting the current available abstract information and quit making comments on compounds you probably have no experience with.... Also, stating that neither can be injected e4d is flat wrong... anything can be injected at anytime.. You can inject test prop e5d and still see results, is it a good idea to do? NO! but can it be done and results still acheived? yes! so quit making flat wrong blanket statements....

[te4vass]

I know but you should shot it every 3.5 days. If you go Sunday and Thursday that is 4 days and then 3 days apart. When I did mine I went Sunday morning and then Weds. night.

exactly. I shoot mine sunday night and thursday morning.
12 hours apart from ur sunday morning and wed night. works out to be 3.5 days

[one8nine]

my education is actual use and results which im sure you have none of.... just stick to reading and reciting the current available abstract information and quit making comments on compounds you have no experience with....

you just turned this conversation upside down
im not going to argue about personal experience, ive used them all, and im not scared of needles either. i use them correctly, ed.

[mkrulic]

prop and pprop have the same active life
please educate yourself before giving terrible advice
neither can be injected e4d

why have two different esters if they both have the same active half life? that doesnt make sense to me.

[one8nine]

ok so according to your rule of thumb, inject 1\4 the way through an active life. so its ok to inject test-e every 3 to 4 days with an active life of 10 days. even though 1\4 of 10 days is only 2.5 days. so theoretically it would be safe to say 1\4 of 4.5 days would be ok to inject eod. or close to 1.6 days.

im not saying exactly 1/4, just an idea
this guy said e4d is okay even though the active life is 4.5 days. im saying get it way before the active life ends
if youre just going to shoot it however you want, go for it bro. but the bottom line is youll have much better results and much less side effects using them every day.

just because you can "get away" with something doesnt make it smart.

[RANA]

exactly. I shoot mine sunday night and thursday morning.
12 hours apart from ur sunday morning and wed night. works out to be 3.5 days

Well then you are GOOD TO GO!

[mkrulic]

ok so according to your rule of thumb, inject 1\4 the way through an active life. so its ok to inject test-e every 3 to 4 days with an active life of 10 days. even though 1\4 of 10 days is only 2.5 days. so theoretically it would be safe to say 1\4 of 4.5 days would be ok to inject eod. or close to 1.6 days.

You dont have to be this tight w/ it. the only hormone I have to shoot ed is trren. thats because a small change in the amount of tren in your sys is highly noticable. this wont be true of test and deca. at least no for me. e3d would be fine. imho

[one8nine]

why have two different esters if they both have the same active half life? that doesnt make sense to me.

you know that test enanthate has more active hormone mg for mg than test p-prop?
i dont make them, i assume they cant get the prop ester onto nandro...
have you ever seen nandro propionate? i havent

[RANA]

you just turned this conversation upside down
im not going to argue about personal experience, ive used them all, and im not scared of needles either. i use them correctly, ed.

You liar, you emailed me telling me you are scared to inject yourself ED and I had to talk you through it ED for a month...J/K LOL

[mkrulic]

you know that test enanthate has more active hormone mg for mg than test p-prop?
i dont make them, i assume they cant get the prop ester onto nandro...
have you ever seen nandro propionate? i havent

youll have to run the calcs or check aginst the roid calculator but that little bit of extra hormone dosent mean you will get more overall. longer estered hormones bulid up more.

[one8nine]

youll have to run the calcs or check aginst the roid calculator but that little bit of extra hormone dosent mean you will get more overall. longer estered hormones bulid up more.

ahaha bro i know this! we had that conversation 10x already
short esters are medium blood level all cycle.
long esters are low blood levels to start then huge in the end

im just saying p-props ester size is bigger but shorter life